Mormans - nicest folks ever!

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(I agree that Mormons are good people, but please lets not get so out of the arena of humanity and reality that they, like any group, is perfect. I know many people who, having decided to leave the LDS church were ostrizied, and it ripped families apart. They were accused of wanting to leave because they “wanted to sin” or they “couldn’t hack it” or accused of being an “anti-mormon” and a number of other reasons other than the truth of the reason these people left…Feel free to go to exmormon.org and read how many of these former mormons were treated by their own families and communities…)

Many people have been hurt by many Mormons simply because they decided Mormonism wasnt for them…

Many people have had their families destroyed right before their eyes…

So lets not stereo-type tooooo much ok?

It’s disrespectful to those who have been hurt…deeply hurt…
 
SElizabeth said:
I live in an area about 6 hours from Salt Lake so I know many, many Mormons. There are nice families but I have found a lot of times they are so nice because they are ALWAYS trying to convert members to their church. Long story, but trust me when I say do not trust them…their motives are to gain new members…that’s their goal and will stop at nothing.
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That is a very legitamate observation, as well…I have heard this from other people as well…

They DO have a strong sense of responsibility to convert people to their church…

Many of them are sincere in their friendship…Others do have an agenda…

In other words…Dont fall for stereo-types and take each human being on their own merits…and not what religious affiliation may or may not be…

It IS the wiser course.

“Gentle as doves, wise as serpents”
 
zerinus said:
Thank you again for your kind words and thoughts for the Mormons. Just to add a few more comments, I agree that Mormons (in general) tend to be a good, kind, gentle, friendly and helpful people. They are good Christians. That is how every Christian should be. But what do you think makes them so? Do you think they are hypocrites; or do you think they are like that because their religion teaches them to be so? You know how Jesus talked about recognizing His true disciples by their “fruits”? “A good tree,” He declared, “cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit” (Matthew 8:18); “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them” (Matthew 7:20). If Mormons are able to bring good fruit, the credit goes to the tree, not to themselves. It is because their religion is good, not just because they are good (which they are). “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law” (Galatians 5:22–23). “But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy” (James 3:17).

When the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out devils by the prince of devils, his answer was the same: “Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit” (Matthew 12:33). Those who say Mormons are good but their religion is evil, are guilty of the same offence. They are being hypocrites. They are saying that an evil tree is bringing forth good fruit, which cannot be.
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Are people call Mormonism “evil” or are they calling it “false”?

Just to pointing out a very obvious definition difference…
 
Yes this is true
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
But also this is very true
Ephesians 5:9 For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and **truth **

You shall know them by their fruits

Joseph Smith and his theology??? think about it 😃
 
John7 said:
Yes this is true
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
But also this is very true
Ephesians 5:9 For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and **truth **

You shall know them by their fruits

Joseph Smith and his theology??? think about it 😃
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That is a valid point.

I know that the LDS focus has shifted since mtDNA became problematic with its pre-mtDNA stance on Native Americans (both North and South American) ancestry…

There was a time when it WAS taught that ALL North and South Americans as well as Polynisians were decendents of Laman (thus Lamanites)…

It WAS widely taught…to deny that is to be disengenuious…That WAS the prevailing theology…

They HAVE had to backpeddled and did just that…

They have altered their theology from what Joseph Smith and others taught…

Spencer W Kimball had a great love for “Lamanites” (Native Americans)…So much so many programs were set up during his time as President of the LDS church to help these people lift themselves up…Very noble indeed 🙂

But it was based on the LDS idea that they were decendents of Laman (and thus Lehi) and were of a “royal priesthood”
 
Jerok said:
This’ll my last post in this thread - obviously my friendly gesture was construed as anti-Catholic. :eek:
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No need to run away from this thread. Don’t let them chase you off. Stick to your guns and stand for what you believe in. These folks are not like ordinary Catholics. They are anti-Mormons. They are Mormon haters. You are new here; but I have been here a long time; so I know them better than you. The vast majority of Catholics are people like you. They are not Mormon haters. So don’t let them intimidate you. Stand for what you know is right, and the Lord will stand by you and support you, if your faith is strong enough in Him.
 
zerinus said:
No need to run away from this thread. Don’t let them chase you off. Stick to your guns and stand for what you believe in. These folks are not like ordinary Catholics. They are anti-Mormons. They are Mormon haters. You are new here; but I have been here a long time; so I know them better than you. The vast majority of Catholics are people like you. They are not Mormon haters. So don’t let them intimidate you. Stand for what you know is right, and the Lord will stand by you and support you, if your faith is strong enough in Him.
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zerinus you have already replied to his last post and even quoted it…I dont see you need to re-quote it and reply to it a second time

You are falling into the same stereo-typing of people who have left the LDS church as others have…Not all of us are “anti-mormon” and to blantantly lable us as so in disingenuious…It lack honor and integrity…

Not everything is as “black and white” as people would hope it would be…

Many people leave the lds church are not “anti”…and to suggest otherwise is to lack honor and honesty…

Many leave because they find it false, because of mtDNA evidence, because find it’s real history not matching up to what the current GA’s would suggest (all valid and factual information is out in the internet for anyone willing to do the research)

So please have some level of honor, some level of integrity, some level and decency and admit not all former mormons are rabid and dreaded “anti’s”…

Surely you can exercise that small amount of honor, decency and integrity, esp during the Christmas season.

Christ IS born. HE is honor. HE is honesty. HE is truth. and HE doesnt stereo-type.

Glory be to HIM! 🙂
 
Marie5890 said:
zerinus you have already replied to his last post and even quoted it…I dont see you need to re-quote it and reply to it a second time

You are falling into the same stereo-typing of people who have left the LDS church as others have…Not all of us are “anti-mormon” and to blantantly lable us as so in disingenuious…It lack honor and integrity…

Not everything is as “black and white” as people would hope it would be…

Many people leave the lds church are not “anti”…and to suggest otherwise is to lack honor and honesty…

Many leave because they find it false, because of mtDNA evidence, because find it’s real history not matching up to what the current GA’s would suggest (all valid and factual information is out in the internet for anyone willing to do the research)

So please have some level of honor, some level of integrity, some level and decency and admit not all former mormons are rabid and dreaded “anti’s”…

Surely you can exercise that small amount of honor, decency and integrity, esp during the Christmas season.

Christ IS born. HE is honor. HE is honesty. HE is truth. and HE doesnt stereo-type.

Glory be to HIM! 🙂
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👍

I would bet almost all of us Catholics here and around the world pray:gopray2: for the Mormons and do not hate them.

May Gods grace fall on these lost children. May He open their eyes to the truth.
Amen
 
Joseph_L_Varga said:
I know very little about Mormons. But I noticed that they were the major allies of us, Catholics, in defeating gay marriage in California (the recent vote on proposition 8).

And yesterday Glenn Beck had a guest named Jon M Huntsman on his show, and it blew me away. This Mr Huntsman is one of the nicest people I have ever heard of. He grew up in an extremely poor family, and sold newspapers to help his family since 7 years old. Later, as a young navy officer, when he earned $320, he and his wife tithed 10% to their church, and he spent an extra $50 every month to help poor people. Later, he founded a chemical company, and today he is a billionaire and on the list of Forbes 400. In 2007 or 2008, he was the second largest contributor to charitable causes in the whole world. He wants to give away his billions for causes like cancer research, cancer treatment, helping poor people etc. And he is a Mormon? Member of Church of Latter Day Saints from Salt Lake City, I guess it’s the same as Mormon.

Btw, does any reader know if they celebrate Christmas or not? Is it appropriate to great them (members of Church of LDS, mormons) by saying Merry Christmas?
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It is, and thank you very much!

We do celebrate Christmas; we love it.

BTW, Glen Beck is also a Mormon.

On the other hand, so is Harry Reid. 😉
 
While I disagree with their theology I’ve always had very good relationships with the LDS folks I’ve associated with. While serving overseas…and sometimes stateside…I would “adopt” the local missionaries…always good kids. As a whole much easier to work with or associate with than a JW.
 
Jerok,
Thanks for this thread and your comments. 👍

Marie5890,
Not that it will change any of your ideas and what you had been taught, but you might as well be aware that by reading 2 Nephi 4:9 about Lemuel’s seed “shalt not be utterly destroyed”, and reading 2 Nephi 1:5, 6, 10, and 11-12, and also Mormon and Moroni, one can understand that the remnant population of “Lamanites” would be a very small group among a much larger group of “other nations” who would populate the lands and destroy their group almost to “utter destruction.” The idea that the DNA of perhaps 10,000 surviving “Lamanite” remnants after all the in-fighting and being taken over and had complete mixing of population remnants with other nations–with the millions of inhabitants who became the conquering nations within the Americas–would have genetic ancestral traits comparable to the DNA of modern-day Jews, is simply poor science.

But I have appreciated that you have been a-typical with your comments. I think you have presented a quite balanced perspective. Thanks.
 
Marie5890 said:
(I agree that Mormons are good people, but please lets not get so out of the arena of humanity and reality that they, like any group, is perfect. I know many people who, having decided to leave the LDS church were ostrizied, and it ripped families apart. They were accused of wanting to leave because they “wanted to sin” or they “couldn’t hack it” or accused of being an “anti-mormon” and a number of other reasons other than the truth of the reason these people left…Feel free to go to exmormon.org and read how many of these former mormons were treated by their own families and communities…)

Many people have been hurt by many Mormons simply because they decided Mormonism wasnt for them…

Many people have had their families destroyed right before their eyes…

So lets not stereo-type tooooo much ok?

It’s disrespectful to those who have been hurt…deeply hurt…
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I am sorry if you have been hur:(t. It is people who choose to hurt who do the hurting, not a group as a whole. I have been deeply hurt by catholic people myself, but I do not blame the Catholic church for the mistakes of individual people. I find it incredibly sad that people blame entire groups for what individuals do. No matter what church you belong too, you still have the responsibility to act kindly to others. By the way, I have also been hurt by Mormons…but that does not make me dislike them (us) as a group:)

Annie
 
Annie_B said:
I am sorry if you have been hur:(t. It is people who choose to hurt who do the hurting, not a group as a whole. I have been deeply hurt by catholic people myself, but I do not blame the Catholic church for the mistakes of individual people. I find it incredibly sad that people blame entire groups for what individuals do. No matter what church you belong too, you still have the responsibility to act kindly to others. By the way, I have also been hurt by Mormons…but that does not make me dislike them (us) as a group:)

Annie
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I don’t see any LDS complaining of being lumped together as “nice”. lol.
 
Marie5890 said:
They were accused of wanting to leave because they “wanted to sin” or they “couldn’t hack it” or accused of being an “anti-mormon” and a number of other reasons other than the truth of the reason these people left…
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This is what mormons are taught, by their church, and they believe what they are taught.
 
Marie Osmond is a nice Mormon lady…nice…nice nice :cool:
she is LDS right ?
 
Jerok said:
Sorry for the stereotypes (even if it IS positive), but I have to say that Mormans are the nicest group of people I’ve met, as a whole. Even reading online I am amazed at how kind and understanding they are, even when people attack their faith. I

Jesus said you’ll know people by their fruits, so I think Catholics need to step it up 😃

I’m not saying this is true for every Morman and I’ve met amazing Catholics, but it’s just the sum of all my experiences with them. Does anyone feel the same?

I love Catholicism and believe it’s the truth, and I pray that everyone will get into heaven and I pray that Mormans will find truth and their way to heaven too! 👍
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There are nice folks among all religions. There are wonderful people in both my wife’s Mormon ward and my Catholic parish.

I live in what the Mormons would call “the mission field.” I often hear the Mormons here say they would never want to live in Utah because there are too many Mormons there. Go figure.
 
RebeccaJ said:
This is what mormons are taught, by their church, and they believe what they are taught.
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Not everybody from every church (mormons and catholics included) believe EVERYTHING they are taught. Many do, but all don’t.

Annie
 
that_name said:
When it comes to people who, as a group, show the world what it means to love their fellow man and do works of mercy, in other words to act like Christians, the Mormons have Catholic beat.

Maybe they could start giving lessons on family life and loving others to parishes?
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Do you remember the LDS commercials? Some of them changed me! I’ve only met two LDS members IRL. Both are a little snooty, to be honest. One played the race game when her child was served a taste of her own medicine by her “victim” at school, and the other is just a braggart. She’s friendly enough, but it’s very superficial.

I take this as human nature and not reflective of LDS members as a whole. My problem with LDS isn’t with its members but with its theology.
 
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