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A good friend of mine who was a baptized Catholic converted to Mormonism. Now he sees the error of his ways and is attending mass again. Does he need to be re-baptized in the Catholic faith? Just wondering since Mormon baptism isn’t recognized by the church. Help!!!
 
No, he doesn’t need to be rebaptised. He should go to Confession. If he married anyone while Mormon, he should see a Priest and find out if he needs to do anything to make his marriage “kosher”.
 
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bdhernandez:
A good friend of mine who was a baptized Catholic converted to Mormonism. Now he sees the error of his ways and is attending mass again. Does he need to be re-baptized in the Catholic faith? Just wondering since Mormon baptism isn’t recognized by the church. Help!!!
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Your friend can be a great resource on this site to explain the errors and misinformation of Mormonism. I am curious: (1) What led him to Mormonism? (2) What happened to get him away from Mormonism?
 
Baptism is something that can only be (validly) done once. If one was baptized in the Catholic Church, then they needn’t be baptized into it again. Nothing can undo the indellible mark that baptism leaves on the soul.

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jim1130:
Your friend can be a great resource on this site to explain the errors and misinformation of Mormonism. I am curious: (1) What led him to Mormonism? (2) What happened to get him away from Mormonism?
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The main reasons that he has told me that he was attracted to the Mormon religion was their great love and togetherness of families–that they actually followed the teachings of their church. He didn’t find that true of the Catholic faith in general and was led to believe by the missionaries that an Apostasy occurred after the Apostles were martyred. I have had conversations myself with missionaries and they are quite remarkable youth–no TV,radio,newspapers,girlfriends,or phone calls for their 2yr mission. However all of these noble deeds cannot take away the truth of the church that Jesus started.
Our family friend saw the error of his ways only 2weeks after his conversion. He said he felt an extreme emptiness. Their sacrament meetings never had any scripture readings just testimonies that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. And the more he read the Book Of Mormon the more he felt that it was a made up story–taking bits and pieces of the Bible and inserting a little fantasy. No wine was used in communion–only water. They said you could use orange juice because it was just a symbol. He received the Aaronic priesthood and was totally confused why this authority was superior to that of a Catholic Priest. The missionaries wasted no time in having him look up deceased ancestors for Baptisms of the dead. I think that was the icing on the cake. He said his stomach was in a knot–feeling so much pressure and stress–not to mention the “Calling” he was given. I think it is so amazing and awesome that we serve a God that when One Sheep is lost He leaves everything to bring him safely back “Home”.
 
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bdhernandez:
The main reasons that he has told me that he was attracted to the Mormon religion was their great love and togetherness of families–that they actually followed the teachings of their church. He didn’t find that true of the Catholic faith in general and was led to believe by the missionaries that an Apostasy occurred after the Apostles were martyred. I have had conversations myself with missionaries and they are quite remarkable youth–no TV,radio,newspapers,girlfriends,or phone calls for their 2yr mission. However all of these noble deeds cannot take away the truth of the church that Jesus started.
Our family friend saw the error of his ways only 2weeks after his conversion. He said he felt an extreme emptiness. Their sacrament meetings never had any scripture readings just testimonies that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. And the more he read the Book Of Mormon the more he felt that it was a made up story–taking bits and pieces of the Bible and inserting a little fantasy. No wine was used in communion–only water. They said you could use orange juice because it was just a symbol. He received the Aaronic priesthood and was totally confused why this authority was superior to that of a Catholic Priest. The missionaries wasted no time in having him look up deceased ancestors for Baptisms of the dead. I think that was the icing on the cake. He said his stomach was in a knot–feeling so much pressure and stress–not to mention the “Calling” he was given. I think it is so amazing and awesome that we serve a God that when One Sheep is lost He leaves everything to bring him safely back “Home”.
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That is amazing. There are quite a few threads on the Non-Catholic forum page discussing Mormonism with several well-informed Mormons making their case and dismissing any argument that the Catholics present regarding Apostolic Succession. The Mormons are convinced of the legitimacy of Joseph Smith’s prophecies and the authority granted to him to decipher the Golden Plates (that no one else has seen, mind you). I think your choice of the word “fantasy” best describes the religion. The Mormons are obsessed with the Apostasy and are bound and determined to exhibit themselves as the real church. The whole religion strikes me as a cult that controls their members, professes truth with no supporting documents and evidence, and dismisses any arguments that even remotely challenge their beliefs.
 
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jim1130:
Your friend can be a great resource on this site to explain the errors and misinformation of Mormonism.
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Apostates of any religion, especially one that spent so very little time in their former church, are rarely good sources of unbiased information about their former religion.

I certainly wouldn’t go to a FORMER Catholic to learn about Catholocism.
 
I agree with that. Besides, one can learn the errors of Mormonism straight from the LDS church. I’m more interested in exmormons for their personal experiences and stories.
 
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Casen:
Apostates of any religion, especially one that spent so very little time in their former church, are rarely good sources of unbiased information about their former religion.

I certainly wouldn’t go to a FORMER Catholic to learn about Catholocism.
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I would disagree. I think they can show you how the con works. Besides, comparing “Made in America” religion of Mormonism to the Cahtolicism is like comparing night and day.
 
he was converted for two whole weeks mmm. that realy indicates things he spent that whole time struggling with his new faith. he studied them and put them to the test. i think you must get your friend into confession quickly or he may be joining somebody elses. the best people to ask about our church are not apostates. ask husbands and wives who are married to a member who respect there partners choice ask them about our church. you may be surprised by the diffrent answears to your questions than you will get from a rabid anti mormon. and this would natually work with any church would you go to a anti catholic to learn about the catholic church i don’t think there answear will be what you want.
 
paul barlow:
he was converted for two whole weeks mmm. that realy indicates things he spent that whole time struggling with his new faith. he studied them and put them to the test. i think you must get your friend into confession quickly or he may be joining somebody elses. the best people to ask about our church are not apostates. ask husbands and wives who are married to a member who respect there partners choice ask them about our church. you may be surprised by the diffrent answears to your questions than you will get from a rabid anti mormon. and this would natually work with any church would you go to a anti catholic to learn about the catholic church i don’t think there answear will be what you want.
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There is a difference in that Catholicism is not shrouded in mystery and anyone can walk into a Catholic Church anytime.
 
to return to the original question, valid Christian baptism is once and for all, leaves an indelible seal on the soul, and cannot be repeated or abrogated. A Catholic who has formally apostasized by baptism or dedication in another religion (Mormons are not Christian, their baptism is not valid in any case, and joining them constitutes apostacy), needs to see a priest for pastoral counselling, make a general confession, ask to have his voluntary excommunication lifted, and return to the sacraments of the Catholic Church. Your friend should see his priest without delay.
 
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puzzleannie:
to return to the original question, valid Christian baptism is once and for all, leaves an indelible seal on the soul, and cannot be repeated or abrogated. A Catholic who has formally apostasized by baptism or dedication in another religion (Mormons are not Christian, their baptism is not valid in any case, and joining them constitutes apostacy), needs to see a priest for pastoral counselling, make a general confession, ask to have his voluntary excommunication lifted, and return to the sacraments of the Catholic Church. Your friend should see his priest without delay.
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your view of what makes a christian and mine differ. we natuly don’t recognize your baptism and you ours. if your friend was so faithful why did he join our church. in general a peson who spends so little time in a new church can not have truly converted. therefore his problem most likely lies with his first church. we believe your baptism is false because you are an apostate church. you believe we dont believe in christ or that we even follow his teachings. there is only one way we will ever get a definite answear to this question and thats through prayer and study. or we can just wait untill the judgement seat and see what our saviour says.
 
My friend was converted for only two weeks but studied with them for 2 months prior to the baptism. I have read some of the materials that he was given and alot of it sounds pretty innocent to an unsuspecting soul. Only after the baptism do they start bringing up the endowment ceremony,sealing,garments(that will be worn for the rest of your life),Pearl of Great Price/DC’s,non-members not allowed into the temple and new members only admitted to a certain section of the temple(until after the endowmnet-- 1yr),that Adam and Michael the Archangel are the same person(Adam was Michael in the premortal life). It was in light of these things and a great amount of pressure to fulfill his “call” that the Bishop assigns you that he felt that he had abandoned the only “True” church.
I have spoken with him as recently as yesterday and he has already gone to confession and done penance for this error.
I,myself,studied with the Mormons before my acceptance into the Catholic Church. And as I stated before —the missionaries are very charming and polite to the point that I considered this religion also. It was part of my quest for truth and true religion. I shared with my friend that the uneasiness that he felt was the prompting of the Holy Spirit. Grace is available to all children of God–freely. We need to just sincerely ask----asking for God’s will–not for what we want his will to be. Nice people,nice meetings,social activities,and even friends cannot replace Truth. We know that there wasn’t an apostacy after Christ came into the world because God sent his Son to redeem mankind and to “restore”(that is when the Restoration occured) our relationship with Him. He is “pure” light and where light shines-- darkness (Apostacy)cannot prevail. His truth shines and has continued to shine for the past 2,000 years. Even so- come Lord Jesus. Amen.
 
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jim1130:
I would disagree. I think they can show you how the con works. Besides, comparing “Made in America” religion of Mormonism to the Cahtolicism is like comparing night and day.
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I’m sure I wouldn’t have to search too hard to find an ex-Catholic that could tell me about the “con” that is (from their perspective) Catholocism… but what would I really learn.

The point I was trying to make, which you didn’t seem to grasp, is that apostates are not good sources of unbiased information. If you want to really learn about another faith you go to a devout and well educated believing member of that faith. I met a Catholic Cardinal during my LDS mission to South America and we amicably discusses Catholicism at length and what I learned was fascinating. When I wanted to learn about Judaism I took a university course from a respected Jewish Rabbi.

However, if all you really want a distorted view of a religion that supports your presupposed and biased theories about it then you want to talk to a guy that “studied” it for two whole months! got baptized and then left two weeks later….
 
so believing members of a religion are unbiased? by the very nature of their faith they are extemely biased. Would you recomend asking a practicing satanist about their religion? Do you think an active jehovah’s witness will give you the most accurate picture of what they believe? There is much that can be learned about Mormonism from active members but so much is hidden and covered up and “revised” that it would be very difficult to get a complete understanding of LDS doctrine and practices form most LDS. For that matter there are way too many Catholics who don’t know enough about their religion to accurately explain it. Mormons are very big on “missionary” work. They actively work to gain converts and have quite a reputation for “milk before meat” where "invetigators are concerned. The proven deceptions of the LDS church (anti-polygamy scripture in original D&C, Gordon hinkley and eternal progression, etc.) should give one plenty of reason to look carefully. Former LDS who are Catholic can explain things about the LDS church to Catholics in a way that they can easily understand. The hurling of the emotionally charged epithet “apostate” is nothing more than an ad hominem to divert attention from easily proven facts to the demonization of the individual with the hope that the broad brush paints away their credibility so that the will not be heeded regardless of the truth of their message.
I’m sure that you can find former Catholic LDS who will say things about Catholicism. One of the differences is you can’t make unfounded claims about Catholic Doctrine because there is a catechism AND there are no secret places or activities that can’t be verified. Catholicism is completely open to be studied in detail with authoratative pronouncements on all doctrine and practices available to all. Contrast this with the LDS “I don’t know that we teach that…” or “we don’t discuss sacred things outside the temple”.
 
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majick275:
so believing members of a religion are unbiased? by the very nature of their faith they are extemely biased. Would you recomend asking a practicing satanist about their religion? Do you think an active jehovah’s witness will give you the most accurate picture of what they believe? There is much that can be learned about Mormonism from active members but so much is hidden and covered up and “revised” that it would be very difficult to get a complete understanding of LDS doctrine and practices form most LDS. For that matter there are way too many Catholics who don’t know enough about their religion to accurately explain it. Mormons are very big on “missionary” work. They actively work to gain converts and have quite a reputation for “milk before meat” where "invetigators are concerned. The proven deceptions of the LDS church (anti-polygamy scripture in original D&C, Gordon hinkley and eternal progression, etc.) should give one plenty of reason to look carefully. Former LDS who are Catholic can explain things about the LDS church to Catholics in a way that they can easily understand. The hurling of the emotionally charged epithet “apostate” is nothing more than an ad hominem to divert attention from easily proven facts to the demonization of the individual with the hope that the broad brush paints away their credibility so that the will not be heeded regardless of the truth of their message.
I’m sure that you can find former Catholic LDS who will say things about Catholicism. One of the differences is you can’t make unfounded claims about Catholic Doctrine because there is a catechism AND there are no secret places or activities that can’t be verified. Catholicism is completely open to be studied in detail with authoratative pronouncements on all doctrine and practices available to all. Contrast this with the LDS “I don’t know that we teach that…” or “we don’t discuss sacred things outside the temple”.
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we have no secret places you are very welcome to come to any of our churchs. you are welcome to enter any of our temples if you live your life acording to the temple recomend interview. the temple is not secret we reflain from talking about the endowment and sealings with none members because it would serve them no good. if a person will not except baptism for the remission of sin and all the other blessings they are not going to understand or benifit from learning in detail about the temple. if a non member wants to know about the temple just ask a temple going member. and when were we allowed in on the choice of the new pope. would it be ok to sit in on a confession we treat the temple as one of your priests should the sacrament of confession. SACRED
 
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majick275:
One of the differences is you can’t make unfounded claims about Catholic Doctrine because there is a catechism AND there are no secret places or activities that can’t be verified.
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Yes, but I heard from a friend of a friend that used to be a Catholic that there is a secret doctrine that only the inner circle knows and they do some really scary stuff and it’s kept in a secret vault under the Vatican and….

Get my point?
 
not hardly. we KNOW about LDS secret doctrines/practices. The LDS church freely admits they exist. I think you may have misunderstood MY point. That being the extreme difficulty of finding LDS doctrine written down in an authoratative manner. You can’t discuss the temple ceremopny and its implications. There are LDS posters here who deny that there even IS such a thing as eternal progression. Adam-God, polygamy, the pre-existence, the afterlife… these and many otheres quickly go to the realm of speculation because the “official” doctrine isn’t documented.
 
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majick275:
not hardly. we KNOW about LDS secret doctrines/practices. The LDS church freely admits they exist. I think you may have misunderstood MY point. That being the extreme difficulty of finding LDS doctrine written down in an authoratative manner. You can’t discuss the temple ceremopny and its implications. There are LDS posters here who deny that there even IS such a thing as eternal progression. Adam-God, polygamy, the pre-existence, the afterlife… these and many otheres quickly go to the realm of speculation because the “official” doctrine isn’t documented.
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AGAIN WE ARE BEING A LITTLE DEAF THERE ARE NO SECRETS
whats your problem. you realy do need to behave. there are no secrets. if there were how do you know about them. if we were so evil and dangerous as you make us out to be. i would then be very nervous about the next lot of elders visiting you.
 
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