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dianaiad
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I’m not going to defend their attitude towards you…it was wrong. I do, however, understand it and you need to understand, too, that it wasn’t a MORMON thing, specifically. It was a “clan” thing. I’ve lived in a few one-religion towns, and this attitude seems to be universal. The outsider is…an outsider.
Of course, in the towns I lived in there was absolutely no effort to make that outsider an insider, such as those efforts you experienced. Your neighbors didn’t avoid you because they didn’t like you. They avoided you because they didn’t know what to DO with you. In their experience, (as it is in mine) it isn’t they doing the excluding…it would be you (in the general, not the specific, sense).
As to your son dating a Mormon girl? Well, in our experience, non Mormons dating generally means pressure to do things that we simply do not want our kids to do: drink, drugs, have sex…I have several classrooms full of 9th graders and I can guarantee you that none of them are virgin. Four of them are parents.
There is no way on this planet that I would allow my kid to date a non-Mormon…and even THEN not until he or she was sixteen and I knew the ward, stake and attendance record. That’s no guarantee, of course, that none of that stuff wouldn’t happen, but it’s as close to protecting my kids as I can get.
Of course, that choice is well beyond my control now, since my youngest child is almost 24. However, none of them had children out of wedlock, none of them drink, smoke or do drugs…so perhaps I didn’t injure them outlandishly by being that protective.
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dianaiad
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Rebecca, have I asked you to give up your convictions?
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Jerusha
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How on earth can you make such presumptions!!! I infer from this statement that you make the judgment that all non-Mormon young people are involved in drugs, alcohol, and sex??? :bigyikes:
Are you aware of self-fulfilling prophecy, that negative expectations usually yield negative results? It is no wonder that NCLB is slogging through waist-high snow, when there are educators with your attitudes.
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CJ_Nick
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WOW!!!
Thanks dianaiad, for that enormously unfair bias you have shared with us.
Peace,
Your slightly less narrow minded friend
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datamonkey
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You’ll find good - bad parents in any religious faith and you’ll find good - bad kids in any religious faith. You paint a lot of good, up standing young men and women negatively with a broad brush. Your comments reflect a common attitude I have found among mormons. It is a self-righteous, pious and judgemental attitude; while you don’'t come right out and tell us we (non-mormans) are going to hell in a hand basket, your message is received loud and clear.
When we (non-mormons) react negatively to such attitudes, I have found it re-enforces the ‘victim’ culture in the mormon church. Our reaction validates the church’s teachings that everyone is out to get you and we are all anti-mormon. Your attitude and our reaction becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. I am not out to get anyone. I just want to be treated with the same respect I give others.
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zaffiroborant
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I’ve read an LDS board for a while and this type of ugliness is common. You may not see it at first but if you read long enough you’ll find the contempt for non LDS. Of course this is accompanied by the flip side of the coin pride in the righteousness of LDS members.
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RebeccaJ
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Diana, there is a world of difference between typing away to someone on the internet and a “real life” friendship. I haven’t had a mormon neighbor in nearly 25 years of mormon neighbors who is my “friend” until I turn down an invitation to go to sacrament mtg.
And no, it is not a clanish thing. I live in SLC, in an area that is predominantly not LDS. And, you teach your children to stay away from non-LDS for the reasons you listed…you believe all of our children are drug addicted sex fiends.
Not all convictions are religious. I cannot agree with this view Mormons have, especially when my husband is a cigar-smoking, martini-making atheist and my daughter is agnostic. She wouldn’t pass your test of ward attendance.
I see the looks the mormons give my husband when we go walking the neighborhood, and he has a cigar. I wouldn’t want to be friends with someone who is looking at my husband like he is a child-eating monster and beleives my daughter is a drug addicted sex fiend because she doesn’t go to church.
I sometimes wonder if these are the same people who send me cute little friendly notes in the mail, inviting me to mormon “stuff”.
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ricko
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I have always heard that Utah had some serious problems with drug use. Since it was brought up by a Mormon that drug use was rampant among non-Mormons I thought a look in the mirror might be appropriate:
SALT LAKE CITY – When a two-year program expires this summer, the state of Utah will not have any employees exclusively devoted to curbing the leading cause of injury death in the state: accidental prescription drug overdoses.
The number of such deaths in Utah has increased 400 percent since 2000, surpassing motor-vehicle crashes in 2006 as the leading cause of injury death in the state.
SALT LAKE CITY – When a two-year program expires this summer, the state of Utah will not have any employees exclusively devoted to curbing the leading cause of injury death in the state: accidental prescription drug overdoses.
The number of such deaths in Utah has increased 400 percent since 2000, surpassing motor-vehicle crashes in 2006 as the leading cause of injury death in the state.
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RebeccaJ
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We are the meth capitol. Mormons will tell you, it’s all us former mormons and non-mormons bringing the city down.
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Cathhsmom
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I can relate to what you said. I think that you are speaking from your experience and others need to respect that. I am a Catholic convert. My 4 kids know that I expect that they will marry Catholics, if they get married. (I have one that wants to be a priest.) In our world today, we are the odd parents who want to know who our children date or who want it to be courtship instead of dating. I know how hard it is to be and stay married. You don’t need to have religous differences on top of that. It is a recipe for hardship. It can be done, but it is difficult and especially hard on the children when they have to choose sides. So, as a Catholic, I don’t have a problem with you wanting your kids to date others of your same religion when I plan on doing the same. Heck, you should read Patrick Madrid’s story about his Baptist girlfriend’s parents and friends trying to “save” him from Catholicism. They even brought out the Jack Chick tracts!
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PJM
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Brother James,
What is your end goal of this line of questions?
This is a Catholic Forum, and a great multitude of Informed, Practicing Catholics post on it.
The books you choose to quote have whose and what authority? Mr Smiths! And you really expect a serious discussion based on his personal beliefs.
Indeed many do, but they do not accept God in the sense we do (Smith himself is god), they do not accept Jesus as God, thus their is no Salvation possible. They do not accept the concepts of heaven and hell, which is very convient with what they do chose to hold.
I am puzzled by their success, except it is so darn easy and convient. It’s a cult practice of those who like Smith and New Agers think they know more, know better. It’s not a religion as they do not believe in GOD! It is only a cult.
They reject God, His Bible, His truth ans His salvation!
Everything thing you posted is simple conjuncture, personal opinion without evidence, without proof, and very often without logic.
I can prove what we Catholic belief. Can you prove what Smith teaches? Where is the TRUTH?
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ricko
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Sounds like you misunderstood his post.
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ricko
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Some of the beliefs of the LDS:
When Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden, the Earth was closely orbiting Kolob, like God’s home planet. But when Adam and Eve fell, so did the Earth and it was hurled across the cosmos and placed in orbit around our sun in this planetary system
Now, if true, these are mighty strange beliefs. Question to the Mormons on this forum, are these truly some of the beliefs of the LDS?
- God’s home planet, Kolob, is at the center of our Galaxy, which all other stars rotate around. See Clark, J. Reuben Jr., “Behold the Lamb of God,” page 46, “Kolob, the Governor”
When Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden, the Earth was closely orbiting Kolob, like God’s home planet. But when Adam and Eve fell, so did the Earth and it was hurled across the cosmos and placed in orbit around our sun in this planetary system
Now, if true, these are mighty strange beliefs. Question to the Mormons on this forum, are these truly some of the beliefs of the LDS?
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RebeccaJ
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Also, a belief that the earth will become the celestial world (a very large crystalized rock) where the celestial kingdom is located. A gospel doctrine (sunday school for adults) teacher once taught in our class that the prophecy surrounding the end of days – that the stars will fall from the sky – what it was referring to was, that when the earth was transformed into a celestial world (where gods live), it would be transported to its celestial location. As the earth moved through space, the stars would fly by, and so it would appear that the stars were falling, but what was really happening is that the earth was being moved.
I sat there thinking, “warp speed mr scott!”
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Jerusha
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Based what I saw in small Mormon-dominated town, it is the children of the more conservative Mormons who fall to drug and alcohol abuse. They rebel, because they cannot meet the imposssibly high expectations of their parents. It is not a problem of ex-Mormons or non-Mormons. It is a problem of Jack-Mormons, IMHO.
They reject one addiction and substitute it for another.
I think the problem with the overdose of prescription medications has more to do with another escape from impossibly high expectations: suicide.
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ricko
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Captain, she can’t take any more!
Wow, then it’s true. So here are some more of their beliefs:
- God says the correct name for our Sun is “Shinehah,” which is the name He gave it. Also, the correct name of the moon is “Olea.” See Abraham 3:13.
- God lives on a giant crystal ball. See D&C 130:6-8.
Kolob is the North Star, according to Joseph Smith. Taught by LDS Church Institute Instructor, but still need reference.
UFOs are from the lost ten tribes, which live underneath the north pole. As explained in the Doctrine and Covenants, these tribes will return by flight from the north in the Last Days. See D&C 110:11 and 133:26.
God has cursed water and turned it over to Satan to control. Satan controls bodies of water, especially rivers. See D&C 61:13-19
A day for God is like a thousand years on Earth. This is because it takes a thousand Earth years for God’s home planet Kolob to rotate around once on its axis. See Abraham 3:4-5
Seer stones allow us to see past, present and future events at any location. All of those that make it to the Celestial Kingdom will have their own seer stone, to review any moment or location in the universe. See D&C 130:10-11
Adam and Eve did not have blood in their bodies in the Garden of Eden. The Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith taught: "Adam [and, by extension, all of the animal creation] had no blood in his veins before the fall.
And last but certainly not least!
Joseph Smith taught that the Ten Lost Tribes had gone to the North Pole, as it used to be warm, but God divided the Earth in two and they wound up between Texas and Florida. Then God scooped them up, leaving a big hole called the Gulf of Mexico. And these millions of Hebrews are today on this island floating around in the solar system, but we can’t see them because God has them flying at an angle where the telescopes can’t pick them up. But one day the island will crash back into the Gulf and the earth will reel to and fro like a drunken man. See code-co.com/rcf/mhistdoc/enoch.htm
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RebeccaJ
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This one, I was taught was the city of Enoch, not the lost tribes. (Moses 7:69)
The lost tribes, I was taught, went north and have additional scriptures to what the mormons already use. A seminary teacher taught us that in the “last days” the ice in the north would melt, exposing the civilizations of the lost tribes and this additional scripture would be found.
polar ice caps are a-meltin’…
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RebeccaJ
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In my experience, many mormons teach their children to follow rules. When they ditch the rules as children, they are left with nothing, and do not know how think for themselves. Which, makes them easy prey for drugs and alcohol. Add to this, they are drawn to everything that was labeled as untouchable.
My daughter had a friend like this. She worried me to no end. I’d tell my daughter to please, help her friend, be friends, but don’t get caught up in her mormon rebellion. This friend would call my daughter up and ask her to meet her for coffee, all clandestine like they were planning the siege of Paris. Off my daughter would go, to have something other than coffee because she doesn’t like coffee! And once again, I’d tell her, DON’T DO WHATEVER IT IS YOUR FRIEND IS PLANNING WITHOUT TALKING TO ME FIRST.
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PJM
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**My dear friends,
Please understand that some are speaking of Mormons as being part of some organized religion.Not so, with no “God” and no Salvation possible (heaven is already filled with 144,000 male Jewish virgins) this is a cult, NOT a religion.**
My limited (Thank God!!!) experience with cults, is that they are of the mind that they know more, know better, and tend to hold some unusual positions. Nearly always they themselves are "god(s)"
Mormons belief that when they die, they are reicarnated, get married, have kids, and their kids will adore them as “gods”. If this is so why do they have to wait until they die?
Still one has to give them credit to sticking to their beliefs and life style.
They need our prayers, because it is ONLY OUR GOD that can, that has the power, to convert them.
Love and prayers,
Please understand that some are speaking of Mormons as being part of some organized religion.Not so, with no “God” and no Salvation possible (heaven is already filled with 144,000 male Jewish virgins) this is a cult, NOT a religion.**
My limited (Thank God!!!) experience with cults, is that they are of the mind that they know more, know better, and tend to hold some unusual positions. Nearly always they themselves are "god(s)"
Mormons belief that when they die, they are reicarnated, get married, have kids, and their kids will adore them as “gods”. If this is so why do they have to wait until they die?
Still one has to give them credit to sticking to their beliefs and life style.
They need our prayers, because it is ONLY OUR GOD that can, that has the power, to convert them.
Love and prayers,
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