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ricko
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That is a fact that has been proven and facts are very hard for our Mormon friends to digest, God bless em.
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ricko
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Not only do we know about the existence of people on other worlds; Latter-day Saints know also that people from other worlds visit the earth! Earth has been receiving visitors from outer space for years, and these visitors have been leaving highly intelligent messages for our benefit. When we put this all in perspective, it becomes very exciting: intelligent beings from a higher culture have visited earth frequently. In fact, isn’t that a large part of the gospel message?
Klaatu brada nikto
Sorry, couldn’t resist!
Klaatu brada nikto
Sorry, couldn’t resist!
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dianaiad
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Because He didn’t dwell on this earth.
YOU guys are the ones who claim that He dwelt on this earth…in the person of Jesus Christ.
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PaulDupre
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We believe that God the Father, through His Word (Jesus) created ALL worlds. Therefore, He could not have “grown up” as a human on ANY world and then progressed to godhood.
If the Mormon god was not always God, then how could he have created all worlds?
The inescapable conclusion is that Mormons do not (and cannot) believe that their god created all things, and therefore, by definition, he is not God.
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dianaiad
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The documents that Joseph Smith had were far more extensive than the fragments we have now. Sorry, but that’s fact. That we have fragments of that text that have been identified as 'funerary texts" is absolutely true.
It is also absolutely true that we have less than a quarter of the texts that Joseph had. So, while what we do have may seem unrelated to the Book of Abraham, that portion we do NOT have has obviously not been identified.
You guys seem to love to forget mentioning that part. Just somehow fades from memory…and you can’t prove a negative. That’s why I say that this hasn’t been proven ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, yet.
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dianaiad
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He created this universe.
Are there other universes? Even science seems to have figured out that yeah, there are. But THIS one is the only one that we can identify, work with, live with, or even hope to understand; it contains everything we can possibly know.
At least at the moment.
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PaulDupre
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And yet, it has also been proven that the portion of the text we do have IS the portion that Joseph claimed was the Book of Abraham. This is shown by the illustrations in the text that Joseph grossly misidentified and misinterpreted.
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dianaiad
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You should have resisted.
Y’see, that’s “Klaatu, barada nikto” One should be careful when channeling one’s inner geek; correct spelling counts when recounting the dialog of one’s favorite cult robot.
By the way, have you ever read the story that was behind the movie
I do notice that your record for accuracy regarding Mormon beliefs has not altered any with this post. One of these days you are going to get something RIGHT, and I will sit speechless, in utter shock, unable to type a word, a syllable, a phoneme, any of the eight parts of speech in reply.
But…obviously that’s not today.
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zaffiroborant
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Why wouldn’t ALL worlds include worlds in other universes?
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ricko
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The spelling is from the producers of the movie I believe, if the spelling is wrong why don’t you provide the correct spelling? I would like to read the book, forgot the name of it, but I can look it up again. My accuracy in Mormon beliefs is suspect? I try to post only official Mormon teachings that I get from different sites and then verify them from actual Mormon documents. The quote by the way is from the same MORMON site that Alisha used. Facts, only facts.
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ricko
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A few years ago 3 men were serving in Iraq when they decided to come up with a list of things that any church must have for it to be true. They came up with these 17 points:
The true church must practice polygamy. (D&C 132)
The true church must NOT practice polygamy (D&C Official Declaration 1)
The true church must have prophets that preach bizarre personal opinions from the pulpit sometimes, but those teachings can be ignored. (FAIR message boards)
The true church must not have any official doctrine. (FAIR Message boards)
The true church must believe that the original christian church apostatized when the leaders started changing sacred doctrines and ordinances. (Joseph Smith history)
The true church must have leaders with the authority to change sacred doctrines and ordinances through continuing revelation (D&C OD1, D&C OD2, temple changes, etc.)
The true church must believe that as man is god once was, and as god is, man may become. (King Follet discourse, Temple Ceremony)
The true church must also not really teach that god was once a man (Gordon B. Hinckley)
The true church must practice polygamy. (D&C 132)
The true church must NOT practice polygamy (D&C Official Declaration 1)
The true church must have prophets that preach bizarre personal opinions from the pulpit sometimes, but those teachings can be ignored. (FAIR message boards)
The true church must not have any official doctrine. (FAIR Message boards)
The true church must believe that the original christian church apostatized when the leaders started changing sacred doctrines and ordinances. (Joseph Smith history)
The true church must have leaders with the authority to change sacred doctrines and ordinances through continuing revelation (D&C OD1, D&C OD2, temple changes, etc.)
The true church must believe that as man is god once was, and as god is, man may become. (King Follet discourse, Temple Ceremony)
The true church must also not really teach that god was once a man (Gordon B. Hinckley)
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PaulDupre
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They don’t get it. I have tried many times to explain to Mormons that if God is really God, then there is nothing that exists that He did not create (see John 1:3). That means that no matter how many universes exist, the one God created them all. They just cannot conceive of a truly infinite God. They have been trained to think of God as a being that exists in time and space and who arose from pre-existing matter. It is useless to explain it to them - they will never get it unless the Holy Spirit teaches it to them (and I’ve seen that happen, praise Jesus!).
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ricko
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LDS Church Releases Anti-Demonic Water Filters
By Moroni Marten (rmw)
SALT LAKE CITY – The LDS church has released a series of water filters designed to filter out “demons.” According to a press release, the LDS church has been working for years to design and produce water filters that would address the issue of “Satanic control” of the waters. According to a book of scripture called the Doctrine and Covenants, which is purported to be direct revelations from God, the waters in the last days have been cursed and in control of Satan.
“The episodes of strange demonic water problems among LDS members has increased substantially over the last few years,” declared Elder Richard G. Scott, an apostle of the LDS church. “We are aware of the increasing power Satan has over the waters and the Church has countered with the release of these holy filters.”
By Moroni Marten (rmw)
SALT LAKE CITY – The LDS church has released a series of water filters designed to filter out “demons.” According to a press release, the LDS church has been working for years to design and produce water filters that would address the issue of “Satanic control” of the waters. According to a book of scripture called the Doctrine and Covenants, which is purported to be direct revelations from God, the waters in the last days have been cursed and in control of Satan.
“The episodes of strange demonic water problems among LDS members has increased substantially over the last few years,” declared Elder Richard G. Scott, an apostle of the LDS church. “We are aware of the increasing power Satan has over the waters and the Church has countered with the release of these holy filters.”
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dianaiad
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Because of the paradox…‘universe’ meaning everything.
Language is an interesting thing, y’know? It allows us to build impossible concepts and contemplate them…universal koans for the terminally confused.
It allows us to admit the possibility that there is the universe; that set of EVERYTHING that God created.
And also to contemplate the idea of more than one universe. The thing that tickles me is that it is the physicists and scientists who have done the math that ‘proves’ the existence of more than one of 'em.
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dianaiad
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Gotta hand it to you, Ricko, you are amusing.
But, as usual, not exactly honest. Here is the paragraph that precedes the article you are quoting:
“The unique culture of the LDS Church brings ample opportunity to write satirical pieces reflective of Mormon leaders, teachings, doctrines and quirks. The articles below are fictious, but offers insight into the complex and, sometimes, humorous nature of the Mormons and their culture.” (emphasis mine)
With that in mind, some of the articles on that site are very funny…and Mormons in the culture understand and are well able to poke fun at themselves. It’s good for us.
With that ‘warning label’ in place, here’s the website: rmwhome.com/LDSarticles/satirehome.html
Full of satire; some a little more gentle than others–most of it on the Jonothan Swift “A Modest Proposal” side.
Anyway, Ricko, since you forgot the attribution, I thought I’d help you out a bit.
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zaffiroborant
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So why does the existence of other universes mean that God didn’t create them?Because of the paradox…‘universe’ meaning everything.
Language is an interesting thing, y’know? It allows us to build impossible concepts and contemplate them…universal koans for the terminally confused.
It allows us to admit the possibility that there is the universe; that set of EVERYTHING that God created.
And also to contemplate the idea of more than one universe. The thing that tickles me is that it is the physicists and scientists who have done the math that ‘proves’ the existence of more than one of 'em.
Universe seems to have a number of meanings, from Merriam Webster:
Main Entry:
Pronunciation:
\ˈyü-nə-ˌvərs\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Latin universum, from neuter of universus entire, whole, from uni- + versus turned toward, from past participle of vertere to turn — more at worth
Date:
14th century
1: the whole body of things and phenomena observed or postulated : cosmos : as a: a systematic whole held to arise by and persist through the direct intervention of divine power b: the world of human experience c (1): the entire celestial cosmos (2): milky way galaxy (3): an aggregate of stars comparable to the Milky Way galaxy
2: a distinct field or province of thought or reality that forms a closed system or self-inclusive and independent organization
3: population 4
4: a set that contains all elements relevant to a particular discussion or problem
5: a great number or quantity <a large enough universe of stocks…to choose from — G. B. Clairmont>
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Jerusha
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I hate to sound pro-Mormon, but any Mormon is apparently considered “a good Mormon” if they can pass this test:
Notice there is nothing in it about helping the poor, gossip, judgmental attitudes, racism, etc, etc. Not even a mention about holocaust denila, which has gotten one Catholic into serious hot water.
The temple recommend interview corresponds to our sacrament of reconciliation.
lds-mormon.com/new_temple_questions.shtml
Now, there is a lot of wiggle-room in this. And there should be, given the inconsistencies between various LDS teachings. There is something in it for everyone. Pick and choose.
Notice there is nothing in it about helping the poor, gossip, judgmental attitudes, racism, etc, etc. Not even a mention about holocaust denila, which has gotten one Catholic into serious hot water.
The temple recommend interview corresponds to our sacrament of reconciliation.
lds-mormon.com/new_temple_questions.shtml
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dianaiad
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Doesn’t. It may indeed be that He created all universes. The point is, WE don’t need to worry about it much, because it is the universe that we inhabit/understand/have any inkling of WAS created by Him. At least, I believe that.
Yep…what did I mention about the properties of language?
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dianaiad
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That I can believe.
You just couldn’t help yourself, could you?
There isn’t any “picking and choosing” in that list of Temple recommend questions, Jerusha, as you admitted at the beginning of this post. We cannot choose to abide by a few of these and ignore the others if we want Temple recommends.
Nothing?
Oh, Jerusha…
Something about the questions 6, 8 and 10 would cover all of those.
You know, "
6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?
8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?
9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?
“holocaust denier?” Mormons aren’t, y’know, and the church itself certainly is not. Lessee, what else…since the CoJCoLDS does more for the poor in it’s own organization and with others than the vast majority of Christian churches (as Catholic Charities knows VERY well, since Catholic Charities and the LDS church work together frequently) and that there are lots of commandments in the scriptures against gossip, evil speaking, judgmental attitudes and racism…
But don’t worry, Jerusha, you managed to avoid sounding pro-Mormon just fine.
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