Mormon Church founder's arrest records rediscovered...

[Lorarose]

One link to this story is here…

wrgb.com/news/regional/regional.asp?selection=article_40437

I read about this in our local paper. I cannot find it online.
It is the Press & Sun Bulletin, Binghamton NY (about 1/2 hr from Norwich)

Some important segments from the article (Sat. 9/17 in the "Our Towns section)

A local historian has rediscovered records that detail how Mormon church founder Joseph Smith was arrested on four occasions while living in Chenango County in the mid-1820s.
Chenango County Historian Dale Storms said she turned over the newly found documents to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints…

wrgb.com/news/regional/regional.asp?selection=article_40437

[moderator note: Please do not post entire article. Offer link to original article for an online source, and post a brief summation.]

 

[Courtneyjo]

“The current county historian, Dale Storms, says the records pertain to Smith’s arrests for ‘glass looking,’ a 19th-century term for treasure hunting.”

Wasn’t “glass looking” a term used for crystal ball gazing?

 

[arieh0310]

“The current county historian, Dale Storms, says the records pertain to Smith’s arrests for ‘glass looking,’ a 19th-century term for treasure hunting.”

Wasn’t “glass looking” a term used for crystal ball gazing?

No, it was a term used for treasure hunting. Charlatans would convince land owners that there was buried treasure on their land and that they possessed special “seeing stones” or “divining rod” that could find the treasure for a fee. The practice was so rampant in the Northeast that they had to make it illegal. Sounds a lot like how JS found and translated the BOM.

 

[Lorarose]

Sounds a lot like how JS found and translated the BOM.

Yes…it appears he had some practice at this … before he decided to apply it to the realm of religion.

 

[majick275]

here are some photos of “seer stones” used for “glass looking”

realmormonhistory.com/pixof.htm

 

[majick275]

An LDS account of how JS got his “seer stone”

“Preside[n]t Young also said that the seer stone which Joseph Smith first obtained He got in an Iron kettle 25 feet under ground. He saw it while looking in another seers stone which a person had. He went right to the spot & dug & found it” (Willford Woodruff’s journal, 5:382-83).

 

[gryskull]

Lorarose:

One link to this story is here…

wrgb.com/news/regional/regional.asp?selection=article_40437

I read about this in our local paper. I cannot find it online.
It is the Press & Sun Bulletin, Binghamton NY (about 1/2 hr from Norwich)

Some important segments from the article (Sat. 9/17 in the "Our Towns section)

A local historian has rediscovered records that detail how Mormon church founder Joseph Smith was arrested on four occasions while living in Chenango County in the mid-1820s.

Chenango County Historian Dale Storms said she turned over the newly found documents to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints…

wrgb.com/news/regional/regional.asp?selection=article_40437

[moderator note: Please do not post entire article. Offer link to original article for an online source, and post a brief summation.]

Do you have a link to the whole story? The link that you gave was just a snippet of the whole story. Where can I go to get the whole thing?

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

Those links direct you to the whole story available from that source.

 

[Zakuska]

With as many times as Paul, Peter, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah John, JS and others where in prison for one reason or another. I’d be very leery of any “religious” leader who had not spent some time behind bars.

 

[Zakuska]

My Great Gandma had a seer stone she found on the trek west to utah. She writes about it in her journal. She used to use it to find lost things. That was until the Bishop asked her to stop because people in town where talking about her. And whispering she was a supersiticous witch. So she buried it in the back orchard only to find out she had the Gift with out.

Some people in town had lost a team of oxen they came to inquire about it and she told them that she had buried the stone and could not help them. Later that day she fell asleep on the back swing and had a “vision” where the oxen where. She called the sheriff and he came and picked her up and she took them to the place where the oxen where. Sadly they where dead. They had been killed by willed dogs.

 

[Zakuska]

arieh0310:

No, it was a term used for treasure hunting. Charlatans would convince land owners that there was buried treasure on their land and that they possessed special “seeing stones” or “divining rod” that could find the treasure for a fee. The practice was so rampant in the Northeast that they had to make it illegal. Sounds a lot like how JS found and translated the BOM.

Actually JS didn’t “convince” anyone. They apporached him and he reluctantly gave in. After severl unsusccesful digs he convineced Stowel to give up his mining carreer.

Whats funny is… Divining rods are what lead to modern inventions such as the metal detector. Better grab you torch and pich forks and hoof it over to your local Radio Shack. Theres going to be a witch burning tonight!

 

[majick275]

Zakuska:

With as many times as Paul, Peter, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah John, JS and others where in prison for one reason or another. I’d be very leery of any “religious” leader who had not spent some time behind bars.

Yet only JS was wanted for bank fraud, adultery and witchcraft out of that group. I see a huge difference.

 

[puzzleannie]

Lorarose:

A local historian has rediscovered records that detail how Mormon church founder Joseph Smith was arrested on four occasions while living in Chenango County in the mid-1820s.n.]

I hold no brief for Joseph Smith or the Mormons, but do feel compelled to note that there is also historical evidence that the founder of my religion was arrested, tried and condemned to death by the criminal justice system of his day.

 

[Zakuska]

majick275:

Yet only JS was wanted for bank fraud, adultery and witchcraft out of that group. I see a huge difference.

Perhaps you should get your facts straight… before spoiting off… at the keyboard.

Joseph Smith was halled into court several times for the puported charges you just metioned. He was acquited every time becuase the witnesses purgered them selves on the stand.

Even this wasn’t a court case. JS ended up paying $2.00 in autournies fees.

JS was in “Prison” exactly twice.

1. At Liberty

Here is a summary of the Charges:

On October 25, 1838, Moses Rowland, a Missouri state militiaman, was killed at the Battle of Crooked River in a clash with a company of Saints who were attempting to rescue three kidnapped brethren. Upon hearing of this engagement, coupled with other reports, **Governor Lilburn W. Boggs issued his infamous Extermination Order. ** Joseph and other leading Saints were arrested, and received a preliminary court hearing before Judge Austin King in Richmond, Missouri, on November 12-29, 1838. Joseph Smith and some other defendants were confined for four and a half months in Liberty Jail pending a grand jury indictment on such charges as murder, arson, theft, rebellion, and treason. While en route to stand trial in a more impartial venue, Joseph and others were allowed to escape, thereby preventing widespread official embarrassment on the part of the state.

Hmm so he was brought in for all these charges because he was… … trying to free kidnap victims?


Besides the Amer-indians… which other group of citizens have been in the crosshares of US Governement genocide?!



Do you realize that when I was Born If my parents had driven through Missuori we could have legal been strung from the nearest tree? Boggs extermination order wasn’t taken off the Law books of Misssuori until a couple years ago.

1. At Carthage where he was Lynched by a mob.

The Charges where… “Insiting a riot.”

Intresting that was the same thing Paul was being taken to Rome for.

Look at Moses and Paul. Murderers. Look a Peter… Patholigical Liar. Like I said JS is in Fine company. Seems to me Paul did some embeslment of his own. (2 Cor. 11: 8)

Heres a list of the JS “Legal” Trials…

lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/history/people/joseph_smith/legal_eom.htm

Looks like he was borught up on Charges of… “casting out a Devil”

<GASP… The pure HORROR! Belzubub incarnate>

Man the exorcist better look out!

 

[Zakuska]

puzzleannie:

I hold no brief for Joseph Smith or the Mormons, but do feel compelled to note that there is also historical evidence that the founder of my religion was arrested, tried and condemned to death by the criminal justice system of his day.

Who Jesus… ?

Well that means both the founders of My relgion where Incarsurated.

 

[majick275]

Zakuska:

Perhaps you should get your facts straight… before spoiting off… at the keyboard.

Joseph Smith was halled into court several times for the puported charges you just metioned. He was acquited every time becuase the witnesses purgered them selves on the stand.

Even this wasn’t a court case. JS ended up paying $2.00 in autournies fees.

JS was in “Prison” exactly twice.

1. At Liberty

Here is a summary of the Charges:

Hmm so he was brought in for all these charges because he was… … trying to free kidnap victims?


Besides the Amer-indians… which other group of citizens have been in the crosshares of US Governement genocide?!



Do you realize that when I was Born If my parents had driven through Missuori we could have legal been strung from the nearest tree? Boggs extermination order wasn’t taken off the Law books of Misssuori until a couple years ago.

1. At Carthage where he was Lynched by a mob.

The Charges where… “Insiting a riot.”

Intresting that was the same thing Paul was being taken to Rome for.

Look at Moses and Paul. Murderers. Look a Peter… Patholigical Liar. Like I said JS is in Fine company. Seems to me Paul did some embeslment of his own. (2 Cor. 11: 8)

Heres a list of the JS “Legal” Trials…

lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/history/people/joseph_smith/legal_eom.htm

Looks like he was borught up on Charges of… “casting out a Devil”

<GASP… The pure HORROR! Belzubub incarnate>

Man the exorcist better look out!

Facts?

• "The State legislature refused the Kirtland Safety Society its charter upon which the name of the bank was changed to Kirtland Anti-Banking Society…Joseph and Sidney Rigdon were tried in court for violating the law, were found guilty and fined $1,000. They appealed on the grounds that the institution was an association and not a bank; the plea was never ruled upon as the bank suspended payments and closed its doors. Other lawsuits followed…
  
  "During the summer of 1837, Joseph spent much of his time away from Kirtland to avoid these lawsuits… Apostles Luke S. Johnson, Lyman E. Johnson, and John F. Boynton were rejected and disfellowshipped… “The blame of the bank failure fell heavily on Joseph. He had issued a formal invitation to his followers to take stock in the venture and the institution had been organized outside the law. Heber C. Kimball later was to comment that at this moment, ‘there were not twenty persons on earth that would declare that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God.’ Six of the apostles came out in open rebellion…Joseph first established the bank by revelation and then had to later admit that because of poor management and other internal and external conditions the project was a failure.” (“Joseph Smith As An Administrator,” M.A. thesis, Brigham Young University, May 1969, pp. 80, 81, 82, 85, 86 and 88*

That Joseph seduced girls as young as 14 is not disputed. (read Todd Compton’s book for detailed proof) Many of Jospeh’s lynchings were because of public outrage at JS being a sexual predator. JS denied this in the published Book of Comandments but we now know that it’s denunciation of polygamy was a lie and the current D&C shows JS justifiying his polygamy.

Joseph avoided many attempts to convict him not because of perjured prosecution witnesses but by leaving the state in some cases and abusing his own civil authority in Nauvoo as mayor with absolute control of all other city offices and general of a militia.

It has been well proven that Joseph Smith had worked as a glass looker/money digger whatever you want to call that scam. Where did he ever actually EARN a living? Read the D&C to see where he got his wealth. He had “prophecies” whenever he wanted something (or someone) that it (they) should be given to him.

I find it laughable that “he was allowed to escape” to avoid “embarrasing” the government. The factual historical accounts show otherwise.

all of this while he was running for president. Goodness maybe it was all an illuminati conspiracy to prevent JS from taking control of the one world government.

I think his “council of fifty” is the real “secret combination”.

 

[PaulDupre]

Zakuska:

Peter… Patholigical Liar.

Your continual disrespect for Jesus and his apostles is very disturbing, but fairly typical of Mormons. Usually, Mormons only say these things among themselves, not in front of non-members.

Do you even know what a pathological liar is?? Look at JS for a typical case. Peter, through fear, denied the Lord 3 times in one night. That does not qualify him as a “pathological liar”.

Shameful.

 

[Zakuska]

Your continual disrespect for Jesus and his apostles is very disturbing, but fairly typical of Mormons. Usually, Mormons only say these things among themselves, not in front of non-members.

ROFL

If you cant take Satire I suggest leaving the Internet.My favorite act on my missions was to rip the bible up and use Hyperbole (as did Paul) to make a point.

Christians typically genoflect the Bible and the Apostles.

Hello… they where Humans just like you and me.

What I “disrespect” is the unholsom attitude people have of elevating the Bible to God status. (innerrancy).

 

[Zakuska]

majick275 ,

Hmm Mary was 14 when she conceived the Lord. So now are you going to accuse Joseph the Carpenter or Maybe the Holy Ghost of Pedophilia too?



14 was the Age of Marriage in the Near Eastern society Christ came from. And as far as “seducing”. Where are all the Children from these “Sealings”?

Recent DNA testing has ruled out several likely candidates who had “sworn” ifidavites that they where Josephs ancestors. (Talk about your Oops )

Your 21st-century western superiority complex proceeds you.

Your appeal to the “illuminatie” was quite telling as well.

Did not Abaham and Issaac Lie about their “wife” infront of a King? I don’t see you crucifying them for it.

 

[Edwin1961]

I find all of this interesting in the light that I live about 6 miles north of Kirtland, Ohio. Just wondered what other ‘unlawful’ acts Joseph Smith may have done here.

Last year, I went to the ‘Temple’ cemetery and saw quite a few names that were mentions in the articles quoted above.
History coming to life again just reading these accounts. However as a Catholic, we should judge those whom Our Lord has already judged.