Mormon church objects to Angel T-shirt

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I personally think its rather ridiculous that they are complaining about this. I mean come on!
 
GrammasRose said:
Tithing is optional not mandatory. One would have to understand the reason for the law of tithing. It isn’t about how much money the LDS can gather.
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How optional is tithing, when if you don’t pay a full tithe you cannot enter the temple, whose ordinances are essential for Mormon exaltation? Remember that “salvation without exaltation is damnation” - (Brigham Young). Non-tithers also cannot hold leadership positions or teaching callings. It is well understood among Mormons that if you don’t pay a full tithe, you cannot enter the celestial kingdom. A Mormon relegated to a lower kingdom will spend eternity hanging out with us nasty gentiles.

Frankly, I would not want to go to the celestial kingdom. I like to serve beer at my barbecues. 👍

Paul
 
PaulDupre said:
How optional is tithing, when if you don’t pay a full tithe you cannot enter the temple, whose ordinances are essential for Mormon exaltation? Remember that “salvation without exaltation is damnation” - (Brigham Young). Non-tithers also cannot hold leadership positions or teaching callings. It is well understood among Mormons that if you don’t pay a full tithe, you cannot enter the celestial kingdom. A Mormon relegated to a lower kingdom will spend eternity hanging out with us nasty gentiles.

Frankly, I would not want to go to the celestial kingdom. I like to serve beer at my barbecues. 👍

Paul
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well the way you put that it isn’t optional really if you want any rewards that the LDS claim wait for you. 🙂 I prefer a beer too LOL 🙂
 
Whoever said it’s fair use of a trademark is right AFAIK. I doubt the lawsuit will be on the LDS side because it is satire. The shirt is in very bad taste though trademarking an angel is too. 🤷
 
🤷 I think the answer is simple just don’t buy the T-shirt… besides this was ment as a joke, I don’t think it was ment to hurt anyone including the LDS church…:rolleyes:
 
How come the Utah branch has exclusive rights to the Moroni trademark? Is it a registered trademark? There’s a difference between a trademark and a registered trademark and there are many different denominations of Mormonism (such as the Community of Christ) who have a rightful claim to be the ‘real’ Mormon Church.

The Utah branch of Mormonism is pretty disgusting though, and ran very much like a business even down to its corporate leadership structure (its leader is named President).
 
GrammasRose said:
Tithing is optional not mandatory. One would have to understand the reason for the law of tithing. It isn’t about how much money the LDS can gather.
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I know a fair amount about the Biblical foundations of tithing, as I am a former fundamentalist Protestant tither who was steeped in the Health and Wealth teachings. I don’t have a single problem with tithing, though I do not practice it in the structured, seed-faith sort of way that I used to. My only objection, and it is a minor one, is the apparent fact that new Mormon converts are instructed in this law very early on, before they are taught about the more arcane features of the religion. To my way of thinking, tithing is something for more mature believers, who’ve been settled in the foundations of the faith, and gotten to know the God of the heart, who will speak to them about the requirement to give sacrificially to the needy.
 
Allweather said:
I know a fair amount about the Biblical foundations of tithing, as I am a former fundamentalist Protestant tither who was steeped in the Health and Wealth teachings. I don’t have a single problem with tithing, though I do not practice it in the structured, seed-faith sort of way that I used to. My only objection, and it is a minor one, is the apparent fact that new Mormon converts are instructed in this law very early on, before they are taught about the more arcane features of the religion. To my way of thinking, tithing is something for more mature believers, who’ve been settled in the foundations of the faith, and gotten to know the God of the heart, who will speak to them about the requirement to give sacrificially to the needy.
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I agree with you. Tithing is a good thing in many ways but you are right in that the mormons do get that up front early on. It does more or less become a requirement for any mormon who wishes to obtain any mormon blessing. I am not convinced they use it in the proper manner.
 
A quick trademark primer, since most of the legal concepts presented in this thread are incorrect.

This is a trademark issue, not copyright. Copyright has nothing to do with this. Everyone who mentioned fair use (including satire) here is talking about fair use for copyright. Fair use for trademarks is very different. There are two ways you can use someone else’s trademark in a fair use sense:
  1. Using the mark to refer to the trademark product/owner (hence, Burger King can use McDonald’s trademark in commercials to refer to McDonald’s).
  2. Using the mark in its common usage, if it’s a descriptive mark. So if the Moroni image is indeed trademarked, you could use it to refer to Moroni.
The main confusion people have is incorrectly thinking that trademarking an image or term somehow means that the person “owns” it and no on else can use it. When you trademark, you first have to specify what category of goods you are using it for. Then the law allows them a trademark in order to protect the consumer from confusion. No one can use the same mark in a way that will cause consumer confusion (the confusion in question is whether or not consumers can identify the source of the goods).

So, the key questions here are:
  1. Has the Mormon church trademarked this image and under what categories of usage? I checked the Trademark Office website and can’t find any indication that they’ve trademarked it, but maybe I’m missing it.
  2. Does the coffee shop’s usage cause public confusion? Given that the shop is in Utah, it’s fair to assume some people might draw the inference that the Mormon church has endorsed the product. If so, it’s infringing.
Note on satire: it might end up being OK if the satire is very clear that it’s a parody. If so, then there’s no public confusion as to the source of the goods.

BTW, this thread has a lot of anti-Mormon sentiment of the same sort that drives us nuts when people direct it at Catholics. A real lack of charity here…
 
Joe_Kelley said:
One notes that they were not so silly as to picture Mohammad drinking a bottle of beer. :eek:
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True enough Joe, but hey! We eat crescent rolls with butter &/or jam right? 😃 That is a direct insult to Allah, Mohammad the Koran & all of Islam. It was developed by Vinnessee bakers after the successful routing of the Ottoman toops. The French bakers got ahold of it a few years later & turned it into the delicate pastry we know today.

If you eat a crescent roll you are insulting Islam.
 
If you eat a crescent roll you are insulting Islam.
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Any day now the rads will start blowing up bakerys! :rolleyes:
I sure miss the days of political INcorrectness.
 
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