Mormon Church Trying to Keep the Wheels On

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Knowing my own heritage, I decided to look up some verses in the book of Mormon. I have Isaiah Bennett’s “Inside Mormonism” and I just read it for the third time (it’s a good book), and I know that the LDS church has changed the text of the “most correct book every written”, but, they missed some. Here’s a verse for you “15 And I beheld the Spirit of the Lord, that it was upon the Gentiles, and they did prosper and obtain the land for their inheritance; and I beheld that they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people before they were slain.”
Here’s another one,
8 For behold, the Lord shall acurse the land with much heat, and the bbarrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people.
These are from a website owned by the LDS church.
And these were written in the Book of Mormon.
 
No. The WoW is still considered a commandment that they must live by if they want to be able to honorably hold a temple recommend
 
But it also says not to eat meat except during the winter and times of famine. (It did originally, I don’t know what it says now). And, as I recall, the word of wisdom was “not by constrant”. My understanding is, that it was supposed to optional.
 
I’m glad the missionaries will have more contact with their families. Homesickness is the pits.
 
They aren’t supposed to, according to their public resources. But a Mormon (not ex-Mormon) told me that non-Mormons would be surprised at the number who drink coffee and other caffeinated beverages, drink alcohol smoke, get divorced, etc.
 
We used to give Mormon missionaries pop (or, since I live in the south now, coke, the generic word for any soft drink) when they visited us when I lived in Illinois. I know that the majority of Mormons are not considered “temple worthy”.
 
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lilypadrees said:
caffeinated beverages, drink alcohol smoke, get divorced, etc.
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(I can only speak of the 80’s and 90’s)
In and of themselves, drinking caffeinated beverages (other than tea or coffee) is not technically against the WoW. Some do take it to that degree. I attended BYU, and drank Coke all the time. It never prevented me from holding a temple recommend, and the bishops I had, knew. It was very common amongst BYU students

Also, getting a divorce is not taboo either, though there was something of a stigma, which in many ways has lifted some.

(ETA)

Here is the official statement on caffeine

https://www.lds.org/new-era/2008/04...the-word-of-wisdom-doesnt-mention-it?lang=eng
 
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Changes in the Mormon church and even changes in Mormon doctrine are nothing new. I don’t regard these changes as significant like I do regarding more significant changes like their evolving doctrines of the nature of God, polygamy, the seed of Cain, blood atonement, grace, and so forth. Whether or not a girl can wear pants on her mission registers almost a zero with me.

What struck me while in mass this morning was the differences between the mass and a Mormonite sacrament meeting. If you’ve never been to one, they are not at all reverent. Look around and you’ll see people on their cell phones, men with their heads buried into the back of the pew in front of them, people talking and laughing during the service, people sleeping (a lot of that) and kids with their Goldfish crackers and coloring books all spread out. It’s very distracting. If you walk into sacrament meeting just before it starts it sounds like you’re walking into a nightclub. Contrast that with the mass. It’s quiet and reverent from the second you walk in. It has a feeling of awe and worship. I’ve NEVER seen anyone on their cell phone. I’ve never seen anyone asleep. I’ve only once seen a couple of teenage girls who couldn’t help but talk and giggle during the service. Catholics teach their children to respect the mass. I don’t see toys and treats being used to mask poor parenting skills. Catholics love and worship their God. I love the God whom the Catholics worship. The Mormon god is as real as Spiderman.
 
adamhovey1988 said:
Can they drink coffee yet?
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They have always been able to drink decaffeinated coffee and still get a temple recommend. I issued hundreds of temple recommends in my days. Which makes the whole thing really strange since they now allow caffeine on the BYU campuses. It’s not about the caffeine … or is it?

I don’t know when the coffee thing got all weird like it did. My maternal grandparents were regular coffee drinkers who were active in church and temple attendance.
 
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Yes, that is the case often. Missionaries come to my house often. 19 year old teens sent to tell me about faith. As odd as that sounds they are quite polite and want to help with chores. Its temple work for them. So I offer them food. Talk with them about the Catholic faith and as a bonus. My yard looks incredible!
 
AngelaMarie said:
Just trying to point out that that we shouldn’t be so quick to point out the flaws so quickly in other faiths and be blind to our own.
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Well, I believe that we need to do outreach in the spirit of charity. We are obligated to point out error as well. Jesus always confronted error.

Do you have some suggestions for bringing them home? I have some dear LDS friends, and have seen tragic consequences of their theology.

Satan and Jesus are not brothers, and people do not become Gods. That is what Satan tempted with in the Garden, so I think the enemy is having a great laugh about it.

LDS teachings are not spiritually healthy and the mental health statistics in Utah reflect that.
 
saintstephen said:
Satan and Jesus are not brothers
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If this is the case, how do you justify Job 1:6?

One day, when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, the satan also came among them.

and Job 2:1?

One day, when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, the satan also came with them.

Jesus is the son of God and Satan is also characterized as a son of God in these verses - sons of the same Father as brothers.
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and people do not become Gods.
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What do you make of CCC 460?

The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”: “For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God.” “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.” “The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods.”
 
gazelam said:
If this is the case, how do you justify Job 1:6?

One day, when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, the satan also came among them.
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One day, when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, the satan also came among them.
gazelam said:
and Job 2:1?

One day, when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, the satan also came with them .
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Same answer as above.
gazelam said:
What do you make of CCC 460?

The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”: “For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God.” “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.” “The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods .”
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Just because you want this say something does not mean it does.
 
One day, when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, the satan also came with them.
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“Son” is an imperfect and overused analogy. We are all Sons of God, but Jesus’s identity is God Himself. There is only one God. God’s own awareness of Himself is so Majestic that it has personhood. That is “The Son”. To use a crude analogy, “The Son” is God’s own reflection in the Cosmic mirror.

Satan was one of God’s highest Angels. God is a Trinity of persons, one Being, but 3 person-hoods. Bishop Barron gives a good short explanation here:

What do you make of CCC 460?
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That’s a quote from a Latin mis-translation. It is explained here:

 
AngelaMarie said:
I attended BYU, and drank Coke all the time
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Me too. I served a mission in Thailand and those poor people would spend their last baht on Pepsi to give the missionaries. There were missionaries who would politely refuse it because of the caffeine. When word got back to the mission president about this he almost became unhinged. He told us in the following mission conference that if a poor Thai spent their money on a Pepsi for us, we better damn well drink it and be grateful.
 
The way Mormons grossly mistake the meaning of the contents of the Bible is one of many reasons Mormons aren’t considered Christians.

First, which translation of the Bible are you using? Not the King James Version.

If you will read Job 1:6 properly, you will see that Satan is NOT counted as a son of God.

Job 1:6 (KJV)
“Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.”

Notice the comma after the word Lord. That is a pause. Then the rest of the verse. Where does the verse state that Satan is there as a son of God? It doesn’t. The sons of God were already gathered before Satan showed up. Who do Mormons say the sons of God are, gazelam?

Jesus is the Son of God, gazelam. Mormons wrongly give that distinction to Satan as well which is the way they justify the teaching that Jesus and Satan are brothers.

For Mormons to make such a claim, gazelam, is to promote Satan as also being God since Jesus truly IS God, or to demote Jesus to the status of an angel - and a fallen one at that. (Satan is a fallen angel.)
 
Lucifer is an angel. He would not be considered a son. Angels are different from humans.
 
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