Mormon Church Trying to Keep the Wheels On

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When you go through the temple after watching a terrible movie you go through this part where the husband pulls the wife through this curtain they have as a divider in order to go to the next room-maybe that’s what LDS think will happen in the afterlife?
 
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When you go through the temple after watching a terrible movie you go through this part where the husband pulls the wife through this curtain they have as a divider in order to go to the next room-maybe that’s what LDS think will happen in the afterlife?
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You’re making reference to the endowment ceremony in the temple. After the “terrible movie” and the remainder of the ceremony, the last thing that happens before entering the Celestial Room is that the patron converses with the Lord through the veil. This is normally done by the ordinance workers who are working at the temple. I used to be one. They stand in the place of the Lord and ask the patron certain questions, giving the names of the tokens along the way. In the end, the Lord takes the patron by the right hand and brings them through the veil. When a women gets her endowments for the first time in preparation of a temple wedding, her husband-to-be will be the one standing in the place of the Lord, asking her the names of the tokens. The first one is the first token of the Aaronic priesthood and its name is the new name that was given. The husband will know his wife’s new name, but she will never know his. Unless, of course, he tells her, which he is under oath not to do. This is not a symbol of the husband saving the wife. Not the way I understand it, anyway. It’s a symbol of the Lord inviting her into His presence.
 
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I forgot what my “new name” was and I just mumbled something to the ordinance worker. He let me in anyway, lol.
 
If you remember the date and the temple you went to you can find out what your new name is. There’s a website that has all that info. I don’t remember where it is but I checked mine and it was correct.
 
I agree one of the duties in marriage is to help each other to heaven. I feel it is one of the more beautiful aspects of a Catholic marriage.
 
That was one of the first shelf items for me. I was thinking “There is just some random name generator? Shouldn’t it be individual and sacred?” It was a minor, minor crack in my testimony but it led to me asking other questions. The major cracks for me were the the Book of Abraham and Kinderhook Plates.
 
Everyone who goes to the temple on a certain day gets the same new name. Before the sessions start, the ordinance workers are all told what the new names are for both the men and the women. They also give alternate names in case of an exception. The name of the first token is the new name you were given. The name of the second token is your own given name. Your new name and your given name can’t be the same. For instance, if your given name is David and the new name for that day is also David, they won’t do that. They will give you the alternate name instead. So, unless there were any exceptions, everyone who went to the temple on the same day will have the same new name.
 
I remember in the 90s the book “secret cerimonoes” was revolutionary. Before the internet it was kind of the first time the behind the curtain things came out and a lot had to do with marriage
 
yeah now you can basically find anything on the internet. The internet killed the LDS church. The amount of people who have left because they found the real history of the church via the internet is huge. Jerald and Sandra Tanner had nothing compared to Google.

And I have unending love and compassion for LDS. Few people are more kind, caring and community based.
 
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The major cracks for me were the the Book of Abraham and Kinderhook Plates.
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Those are both big. I dont think I could say what the major cracks were for me. The whole Mormon church is a house of cards. Things started breaking down for me about 12-13 years before I finally left. There are just too many major issues.
 
On second thought, I do think I can name the major issue for me. It’s simply this. You’re not allowed to ask questions that cast doubt upon the Mormon church.
 
Amen. The Catholic church allows investigation because in the end, we know truth is on our side and we will win. The Mormon church is very, very, very uncomfortable with investigation and honest questions because they know that truth is not on their side. It’s as simple as that. When you got nothing to hide, you open your doors. When you have something to hide, you keep it under lock and key.
 
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The Catholic church allows investigation because in the end, we know truth is on our side and we will win.
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A major difference is as Catholics, we know we will be persecuted, because of our beliefs and faith. Other denominations are more sensitive to criticism, because they need to tell everyone how “true” they are.
 
Agree on the Catholic part.

I know my personal experience ain’t worth a hill of beans but in my eperience no one is more sensitive to the slightest “difficult” question than an LDS. Gloves come off. And like I said LDS are wonderful people. Very caring, community orientated, wonderful family values, etc
 
Totally agree.

With Mormons, the problem is, because they rely on occultism, they have levels of secret knowledge for only those who “deserve further light.” I do not care if some ex-Mormon cleaned the bathrooms at Salt Lake City Temple for sixty years, they were not exposed to those items above the Temple, which prescribe various counter-Christian values to numerous to mention. If you know what the words mean in the Book of Mormon, teasings of this deeper knowledge is there. Smith was a Mason and the whole concept of Mormonism is ripped right out of naturalism and the Age of Enlightenment to tease people with the idea of “further light.”

As you see, a Mormon defender will be quick to say, “show me the doctrine!” A Mormon asking for doctrine is comical and not even worth any discussion.

As Catholics, we have an open door. The 90 year old Catholic has the same value in the Church as someone who is not even Catholic and wondered into a Parish drunk off the streets. We have no secret Masses for the elect.
 
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YES! (high five!) When you go through the temple you realize how Masonic the entire thing is! Smith Jr basically copied a ton of Masonic rituals and incorporated them into his religion.

Sorry I copied your post wrong i’m still new here.
 
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Ironically, my Scripture reading for tonight is…

6I wonder that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ, unto another gospel. 7Which is not another, only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. 9As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema.
 
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And like I said LDS are wonderful people. Very caring, community orientated, wonderful family values, etc
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Not to be disagreeable, but regarding the family values part, I must totally disagree. Mormon family values are horrible in my mind. Try being a family member who isn’t deemed “worthy” by the Mormon leaders and see how you get treated at temple weddings, baptisms and blessing of children. You’re an outcast. Mormon youth are nothing but pawns to feed the egos of their Mormon parents. Your children go to BYU and on missions and you puff up your egos and look good to the world. Your children don’t go on missions or can’t make the BYU cut and you’re second class. It’s proud and hypocritical and cruel. Mormon families are no role model of family values. I’ve seen how destructive the Mormon church is on its families. I’ve seen more pain than I can shake a stick at.

I was always troubled by the community service of the Mormons as well. Yearly, we would have the annual “Mormon Helping Hands” where we would participate in a big community service Saturday. We did a lot for the communities, no doubt, but I hated the way we paraded ourselves around. Didn’t Jesus say to give your alms, do your service, say your prayers, fast . . . in secret? The Pharisees seek the attention of the world and that is their reward. Those who do their alms in secret reap the rewards of heaven. Mormons never backed down from a media moment to boast about all the good things they did. And the yellow shirts . . . . it’s all about pride and recognition. It’s fake and phony.
 
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Oh I hear you. It’s all about appearances with LDS. I still think the majority are decent people though.
 
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