Mormon Church Trying to Keep the Wheels On

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The Catholic Church is just as guilty of changing revelation as the Mormon Church.
 
Changing revelation? What are you talking about? Considering the Catholic Church doesn’t believe there has been public revelation since biblical times, your claim is an ignorant one.
 
Nah Father Barron believes that Adam and Eve never existed. It was catholic dogma that they did. Why would a devout Bishop like Barron lie to his flock if the Catholic church didn’t now believe that? That sounds like a change in revelation.
 
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What any particular priest or bishop personally believes has nothing to do with Catholic dogma, because he has no authority whatsoever to change dogma. Your example is in no way an example of somebody changing dogma. In fact if a bishop starts teaching things to his flock contrary to dogma or other Catholic teaching then eventually he will be called to Rome to be corrected and in extreme cases even disciplined.

Also you keep referring to this idea of Catholics “changing revelation.” It doesn’t work that way in Catholicism because there is no new public revelation–so therefore it’s impossible to “change revelation.” In Catholic belief, Christ’s time on earth and establishment of the Church was the peak, and final, public revelation. Your nomenclature is actually more Mormon than Catholic.

This stands in stark contrast to the concept of continuing revelation in Mormonism, where the current prophet has often claimed new revelation that reverses previous revelation given by his predecessors.
 
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The Catholic Church hasn’t changed Revelation, the last book of the Bible.

And Fr (now Bishop) Barron is free to believe as he wishes about the existence of Adam and Eve. It’s his personal opinion. The Church doesn’t have to share his opinion.
 
I think so. Bishop Barron said, “Adam. Now, don’t read it literally. We’re not talking about a literal figure. We’re talking in theological poetry. Adam: the first human being . . .”

He has since been asked to clarify his statement but he has never retracted it. He still refers to Adam as a figure, not a real person and the Garden of Eden story as an allegory.

That’s my understanding.

Some Catholics don’t believe the Flood was real. Some don’t believe that Job was a real person. I don’t have a problem with any of that.
 
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RuthAnne said:
The meeting with the ladies was about one of your dead prophets. I don’t remember anyone talking about Jesus Christ. Y’all worship men. That would be like Catholics worshiping Pope Francis.
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Would you say that the worship you saw of a dead prophet was dulia, hyperdulia, or more along the lines of latria?
 
I don’t have a clue what changes will take place this weekend, but I tend to think that Mormonite women are going to be given more and more responsibilities and in a lot of cases, doing things that have traditionally been exclusively the role of the brethren.

A couple of rumors that I’ve heard:

A lot more temples, which will be accomplished by adding endowment rooms to stake centers.

No more temple marriages. Only temple sealings.

No more prohibition on coffee and tea.

Who knows . . . these are not my predictions, with the exception of in increase in the roles of women. That could go lots of directions.

Waiting with bated breath . . .
 
As for the tea and coffee, they still really don’t care for tea here in Utah but man are there so many coffee shops in Utah. Soda and coffee are how this state wakes up now!!!
 
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Well that revelation lasted a whole four years!
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I don’t get why this is an issue. Do you also make with the sarcasm when Christ changed church policy?

“Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not” - Jesus
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations” - Jesus (A few chapters later)
 
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NeuroTypical said:
“Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not” - Jesus
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations” - Jesus (A few chapters later)
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This is what happens when you don’t know the bible or what who Jesus is and what he did while on earth.
 
Go forth and teach all nations! But what your church teaches was never taught to any nations. They preached what Jesus taught them. Smiths vision states that God and Jesus said all other churches had it wrong but yet your church and many churches continue to use a bible that was corrupted. See the contradiction? Probably not. So what needed to be restored that wasn’t already fulfilled? Answer? Nothing. Your teachings were never part of the bible. One of the commandments is about adultery but its okay to marry other women or men? I guess God said “oh well, I messed up”
 
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So what needed to be restored that wasn’t already fulfilled?
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Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Even Mormonites will admit that the priesthood was never taken from the earth so it had no need to be restored. The Great Apostasy was just a Great Deception.
 
The sacraments have a prophetic aspect that is oriented towards their fulfillment in Jesus Christ. So like the OT where the sacrificial lamb is fulfilled in Jesus, so will the sacraments be fulfilled in heaven. Or transfigured from signs to ultimate reality. Theologically, this aspect of the sacraments is most expounded on regarding the Eucharist. Since all the other sacraments are centered on the Eucharist, we can understand imperfectly the life to come.

Sharing in the divine nature of Jesus Christ, which nature is Love. A married couple is prophetic in how St. Paul described Christ’s love for the Church. The earthly sign of matrimony will be transfigured in heaven, by, in and through Jesus Christ.

So we understand, like the pascal lamb, the earthy sign of marriage is not broken, it will be fulfilled.

The earthy aspect is, that a widow or widower is free to remarry. Otherwise to remarry would be adulterous. In heaven the deceased spouse is in the immediate presence of God (we hope and pray) and so experiencing the kingdom of heaven…God’s perfect love.

There is no need for us to be sealed to a spouse. By our baptism and confirmation we are sealed to Jesus. In communion with each other, in and throug Jesus Christ, heaven and earth are united in the sacraments.
 
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shrug The show up at Mass and get excited to become Catholic immediately, happens. We say, slow down there and come learn what we believe and profess, take the time to discern. This encouraging people to run on their feelings is part of the LDS retention problem.

Anyway, every year several hundred adults are baptized into the Catholic Church, here in UT alone. A large majority of them are from Mormon backgrounds. These anecdotes prove nothing.

A portion of new converts, Catholic and Mormon, will eventually never attend church again.
 
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