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Correction taken…but why compare to Wonder Women…why compare at all…by the way use to like Wonder Woman Comics…but there were better role models…real ones…

Especially now that I know who wrote the comic…way out somewhere.

stormy
 
It means just what I posted from Paul in # 102. Nothing more. It is a biblical concept. Now of course, many critics do not realize this or they may interpret those scriptures differently…but…it is in the bible.
“As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become”

No…it means what I said. You learn that there is a God before you learn God was once a sinful man
 
God was once a sinful man…I don’t think so…he has always been and always will be…he is not a man…Jesus came as a man but he also is not a man now…
but then I heard this all before in Utah…fortunately unlike many others, I figured out that you don’t write a book or find things out with a rock and a hat…doesn’t work well…that was one of many signals…now my first husband was a kind person, we still speak to each other but to be married to him would of destroyed me and my self worth and it would of destroyed him…funny how religions can do that to people. But then again, so many unkind things have been in the name of the Lord…Mormonism is just one of them

stormy
 
Caprica:

I have to agree with stormy99. There is much that is hidden and denied by the LDS church while the Catholic Church is open. It has aired its dirty laundry and has never denied its black moments in history. Its archival library is open to all serious scholars and theologians, regardless of religious affiliation. It receives and accepts more converts that are true than all other religions combined, and yet it has the strictest moral and religious code of all. Can the LDS church compare?

I also have one question that has never been answered. Joseph Smith had claimed that the Book of Mormon “is the most correct book ever written”. If this is so then why has it been necessary to revise it ( and not for typographical or grammatical errors alone ) so many times?

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
The Catholic Church has aired its dirty laundry? Please inform us when that took place? From the every report one hears in the USA and in Europe and Africa, there continues to be an onslaught of sexual abuse of both male and female children and adults. Has the CC ever once admitted to the widespread proliferation of mistresses and children out-of-wedlock, the progeny of parish priests. Mind you, this sexual abuse and fornication has lasted for for almost the entire time the CC has existed and it has never been an open book, the CC has never taken full responsibility because it has never admitted to every case.

I laugh out loud when I read any Catholic seek to limited comments of adultery or wild sexual claims against Joseph Smith, Brigham Young or any one else within the LDS leadership at any point in its history. The audacity, particularly during this time, when the evidence is staggering, attempting to accuse anyone else is the ultimate form of hypocrisy. Just an iota of humility seems in order. The stench of sin is so strong it is “despicable” (I believe that is the word I have heard often on this forum by good Catholics).

At no point has Brigham Young or Joseph Smith ever been accused of sexual abuse of a male or of a young child. The claim of adultery are laughable. Adultery can only exist between unmarried partners…these men were polygnists, not adulates. They were not fornicators, nor were they homosexuals.

There is another way around these types of conversations. Don’t accuse other churches or individuals of sins unless your church is perfect. Promote the truths of your church, seek to share the joy of Christ you find in Her teachings. Lastly, drop the sanctimonious, self-righteous indignation; nothing about it says “I am a disciple of Jesus Christ”.
 
The Catholic Church has aired its dirty laundry? Please inform us when that took place? From the every report one hears in the USA and in Europe and Africa, there continues to be an onslaught of sexual abuse of both male and female children and adults. Has the CC ever once admitted to the widespread proliferation of mistresses and children out-of-wedlock, the progeny of parish priests. Mind you, this sexual abuse and fornication has lasted for for almost the entire time the CC has existed and it has never been an open book, the CC has never taken full responsibility because it has never admitted to every case.

I laugh out loud when I read any Catholic seek to limited comments of adultery or wild sexual claims against Joseph Smith, Brigham Young or any one else within the LDS leadership at any point in its history. The audacity, particularly during this time, when the evidence is staggering, attempting to accuse anyone else is the ultimate form of hypocrisy. Just an iota of humility seems in order. The stench of sin is so strong it is “despicable” (I believe that is the word I have heard often on this forum by good Catholics).

At no point has Brigham Young or Joseph Smith ever been accused of sexual abuse of a male or of a young child. The claim of adultery are laughable. Adultery can only exist between unmarried partners…these men were polygnists, not adulates. They were not fornicators, nor were they homosexuals.

There is another way around these types of conversations. Don’t accuse other churches or individuals of sins unless your church is perfect. Promote the truths of your church, seek to share the joy of Christ you find in Her teachings. Lastly, drop the sanctimonious, self-righteous indignation; nothing about it says “I am a disciple of Jesus Christ”.
The idea that Mormons are untainted by sexual sin, in and out of the organizational leadership, is ridiculous in the extreme. Certainly the leadership of the CC does not enjoy airing dirty laundry publicly…but the LDS leaders simply do not and will not do the same.
The real issue is not about sexual sin and how it is dealt with…the real issue is truth…the true Church is the Church that Christ gave us…not the fraud founded by Joseph Smith. Sorry…but it cannot be sugar coated.
 
I suppose marrying 13 year old girls is ok…because they of course are one of many wives by the authority of JS and BY…

Not one Catholic I know including our parish priests would say every person in the Church is pure because they haven’t been probably aren’t now and won’t be in the future since they are human and capable of sin…but it is acknowledged…the history is public…it is told…we studied it. But the Church itself is not tainted, it is pure…it is not Her fault that men fail and will always fail…that’s why we attend the sacrament of reconcillation and Mass to become purer and more Christlike…and what do the Mormons have to look forward to? Perhaps another planet like Kolob…and Adam and Eve who was one of his many wives…please…the kingdom Catholics seeks is to be united with our God…to be in his presence forever…his holy and true presence…

stormy
 
The idea that Mormons are untainted by sexual sin, in and out of the organizational leadership, is ridiculous in the extreme. Certainly the leadership of the CC does not enjoy airing dirty laundry publicly…but the LDS leaders simply do not and will not do the same.
The real issue is not about sexual sin and how it is dealt with…the real issue is truth…the true Church is the Church that Christ gave us…not the fraud founded by Joseph Smith. Sorry…but it cannot be sugar coated.
Your foundation is sexual allegations is a lie in the extreme. Never once has the LDS Church attempted to deny its practice of denied its belief in polygny. The history books are full of these marriages and sealings and always have been. The sealings and marriages of Joseph Smith are on the internet on LDS websites and well as countless others. There is no hiding, except the tinkling brass allegations of anti-Mormons and ignorant critics.

I am glad that you at least begin to back away from sexual allegations against the LDS Church. They were getting tiresome and so filled with hypocrisy given the long history of all forms of sexual abuse with Catholicism from incest to homosexuality at all levels from the papacy downward.

Of course you believe that the Catholic Church is the true church. Of course you believe that Apostolic Succession is real and by its existence you claim the keys of the priesthood.

However, I believe an almost identical thing about my church and standing across the aisle from one anther shouting how bad the other is, is simply stupid to the extreme. Put down the bloody anger and animosity. Find common ground that we may exist as fellow disciple of Christ. Love one another. You will get so much farther with honey than vinegar. It is too easy to accept the position of the other and move one to those areas where we join together. Keep Jesus and his message uppermost in our conversation.
 
I suppose marrying 13 year old girls is ok…because they of course are one of many wives by the authority of JS and BY…

Not one Catholic I know including our parish priests would say every person in the Church is pure because they haven’t been probably aren’t now and won’t be in the future since they are human and capable of sin…but it is acknowledged…the history is public…it is told…we studied it. But the Church itself is not tainted, it is pure…it is not Her fault that men fail and will always fail…that’s why we attend the sacrament of reconcillation and Mass to become purer and more Christlike…and what do the Mormons have to look forward to? Perhaps another planet like Kolob…and Adam and Eve who was one of his many wives…please…the kingdom Catholics seeks is to be united with our God…to be in his presence forever…his holy and true presence…

stormy
Stormy, you really don’t get it. You cannot forgive your own Church of gross sin unless you are willing to forgive the shortcomings of others. What is worse is that you are so ignorant of the LDS Church’s doctrine. Either know it and know you know or hold your tongue. How is the LDS Church tainted when the Catholic Church is not? God only forgives Catholics…oh please. The error of logic is stagging and not worth the time of conversation.

Kolob is known as the star closest to where God is. It is a meaningless bit of trivia, but it confounds the ignorant so often. God does not live on Kolob and never has…though anti-Mormon literature make this mistake constantly. It is like saying you worship Mary. How often do anti-Catholic websites make that stupid claim? Adam is know to have one wife; that is LDS doctrine. Jesus stated that in my Father’s house are many mansions. Catholics believe that rewards will be different; so do the LDS.

And no Madam, it is not acknowledged. It is never been acknowledged; it has been glossed over. Thank God Pope Benedict has asked forgiveness, but forgiveness is granted once confession is made; and that laundry list has just begun to come out through the courts of law in the present day. There is a 1700 year history to review and that has only been done by secular historians that have been condemned by the Catholic Church.
 
Never once has the LDS Church attempted to deny its practice of denied its belief in polygny.
I assume you’ll issue a retraction now that I’ve shown you what the old D&C 101 clearly stated in view of what the church and Joseph Smith was actually doing.
 
Before you forgive another religion it should be a religion. I and many others do not consider LDS a religion ut rather a cult. Do I need to post what cults are and what they do? Prove it is a religion not a cult…I am ready to forgive. And don’t call me Madam…call me Stormy

stormy
 
Before you forgive another religion it should be a religion. I and many others do not consider LDS a religion ut rather a cult. Do I need to post what cults are and what they do? Prove it is a religion not a cult…I am ready to forgive. And don’t call me Madam…call me Stormy

stormy
This is silly. You do realize that many also believe that the Catholic Church is a cult? Many of those same websites that call the LDS Church a cult have a “ministry” for Catholicism on the same website. And that proves what exactly?
 
I suppose marrying 13 year old girls is ok…because they of course are one of many wives by the authority of JS and BY…

Not one Catholic I know including our parish priests would say every person in the Church is pure because they haven’t been probably aren’t now and won’t be in the future since they are human and capable of sin…but it is acknowledged…the history is public…it is told…we studied it. But the Church itself is not tainted, it is pure…it is not Her fault that men fail and will always fail…that’s why we attend the sacrament of reconcillation and Mass to become purer and more Christlike…and what do the Mormons have to look forward to? Perhaps another planet like Kolob…and Adam and Eve who was one of his many wives…please…the kingdom Catholics seeks is to be united with our God…to be in his presence forever…his holy and true presence…

stormy
Latter-day Saints also seek to be united with God, to be in His presence forever. Eternal life for Latter-day Saints is to return to the presence of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, becoming heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ.
 
God was once a sinful man…I don’t think so…he has always been and always will be…he is not a man…Jesus came as a man but he also is not a man now…
Jesus is not a man now? What do you mean? Do you mean that He does not retain His resurrected body? Catholicism teaches that Jesus was bodily resurrected and bodily ascended to Heaven, and He retains that body.

Also, Latter-day Saints do not believe that God the Father was once a sinful man. When Jesus came to this earth, He was not a sinful man. The same applies to the Father.
 
Before you forgive another religion it should be a religion. I and many others do not consider LDS a religion ut rather a cult. Do I need to post what cults are and what they do? Prove it is a religion not a cult…I am ready to forgive. And don’t call me Madam…call me Stormy

stormy
A religion? Do you know how many times the Catholic Church has been called a cult by other Churches? Google it, you might be amazed. So know that we have confirmed that you belong to a cult, what should we do? First, I recommend dropping the silly word games and get serious. Unless, of course you want to prove to me that you don’t belong to a cult first? Go ahead, you brought this ridiculous test up; you go first. You might also want to bring up a standard definition of a cult too. It could be fun to see you dance around sculpting a definition such that it does not condemn your position.
 
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A religion? Do you know how many times the Catholic Church has been called a cult by other Churches?

There you go again. You do not address the point. You deflect.
Deflect would not be an accurate description. The question is stupid and I demonstrate its stupidity by asking the same question in return. It turns to gall in your mouth because you are caught in the silliness of the question. Instead of swallowing you seek to spit it out. Better that you repent of such poor logic…I can only forgive a religion, but not a cult. That is so infantile it does not deserve a response. It has no logic, there is no merit, it does not deserve a response. Everyone calls everyone else a cult; it proves nothing.
 
Your foundation is sexual allegations is a lie in the extreme. Never once has the LDS Church attempted to deny its practice of denied its belief in polygny. The history books are full of these marriages and sealings and always have been. The sealings and marriages of Joseph Smith are on the internet on LDS websites and well as countless others. There is no hiding, except the tinkling brass allegations of anti-Mormons and ignorant critics.

I am glad that you at least begin to back away from sexual allegations against the LDS Church. They were getting tiresome and so filled with hypocrisy given the long history of all forms of sexual abuse with Catholicism from incest to homosexuality at all levels from the papacy downward.

Of course you believe that the Catholic Church is the true church. Of course you believe that Apostolic Succession is real and by its existence you claim the keys of the priesthood.

However, I believe an almost identical thing about my church and standing across the aisle from one anther shouting how bad the other is, is simply stupid to the extreme. Put down the bloody anger and animosity. Find common ground that we may exist as fellow disciple of Christ. Love one another. You will get so much farther with honey than vinegar. It is too easy to accept the position of the other and move one to those areas where we join together. Keep Jesus and his message uppermost in our conversation.
Uuh…the improper and illegal sexual activity I was referencing was not the result of plural marriage. I was and am talking about plain garden contemporary child molestation and other illegal sexual activity. Now…ongoing.
Now…lets suppose for a moment that every allegation against Catholic priests is true and that every accusation against LDS members is UNTRUE. This is not evidence for or against the truth of the Catholic Church. If every Catholic is a sinner and every Mormon is not… so?
Sometimes the truth can sound a little harsh. This is why it is hard to get down to the nitty gritty and sound conciliatory. I am not talking about how BAD anything is…I reject the Book of Mormon and the LDS religion…you don’t…ok fine.
 
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