Mormon commentator Glenn Beck on the Vatican

[Telstar]

Glenn Beck is a Mormon, but from what I understand he’s never been overly critical of any Christian faith, and certainly not Catholicism. He, more than anything, attempts to speak for Christian unity, because he feels that Christians (in which he obviously includes Mormonism) have common values and should form a united front.

I do hope that he’s right about the Pope appointing conservative bishops as cardinals. I’d like to see the Roman Catholic Church return to a more conservative slant. I’d like to see the Latin Mass restored in the United States, where, (at least where I live), it is extremely difficult to find one.

He is right one thing for sure: all Christians should be supporting the Catholic Church in this controversy with Obama.

I listened to him on radio for a very long time before he went to TV. As I said, he’s been a lot more “PC” since that time. But, prior to his TV debut, he used to relish in every embarrassing incident in the news that put the Catholic Church in a negative light. He even had a ‘theme song’ made about “pedophile Priests” that he always played whenever he talked about news items related to the Catholic Church, especially when they were about those kinds of allegations. He also used to look for any kind of story about something the Pope (JPII at the time) might have said about faith or morals so he could twist it, and turn it into a means to belittle the Pope and the Church. Those were some of the things he did that really made me change my opinion of him enough to finally stop listening, even though I still liked him a lot. I knew a lot of those actions came from his experiences in the past that left their scars on him.

Don’t get me wrong, even though things like that made me cringe and really ticked me off, I still agreed with most of his conservative political views. After a while, I just had to stop listening to him because he got way too depressing for me. His sense of humor and positive attitude all but disappeared and were replaced by a much more serious and negative attitude toward life in general. It got way too painful for me to listen to him anymore.

I certainly agree with you about what he said about the Pope appointing ‘conservative’ Cardinals, and that we all need to stand united against this whole Obama situation. If the Catholic Church can’t stand up to it, then no other churches will have any chance of fighting it, either. The whole world has been putting a strangle hold on our religious freedoms over the past several decades. It’s time for us all to stand up together and tell them, “That’s enough!”.

 

[El_Confundido]

All of the LDS friends I know, don’t like Romney. I think that Glenn is sincere in his commentary on this considering the czar he helped get removed from the white house a couple years ago.

You can include me among them. I will not vote for Romney, and if I were ever to meet him I’d chastise him for his denying the faith. He’s nothing more than a slick-talking salesman. I’m voting for Ron Paul in November.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

I’m not sure if you visited the website I referenced. This is really not about wheather or not Beck supports Romney. I am interested in what people think about his take on the Vatican and its fight against evil and the subsequent backlask against the Church that Beck is predicting (and which is already happening).

Yep sorry, I was responding to another poster’s comment. Didn’t mean to pull it off track.

My thoughts on Beck’s take on the Vatican is that he has a very strong opinion on where he thinks our country is going. Say what you will about the man’s politics but he is a big student of history. A big interest for him appears to be Nazi Germany and how they came to power and the tactics they used. Also Moa’s Communist China and the former Soviet Union. I’ve heard him quote Martin Niemoller’s “First They Came…” quote more than once on his show and I think he deeply believes it. I don’t think he’s doing it for ratings and I think he is sincere. I am not a big fan of Beck. I don’t agree with everything he has to say politically and, him being a Mormon, I obviously don’t agree with him spiritually but I think for him the cultural wars are simple, the struggle is between light and darkness. He sees the Catholic Church as an ally for the light and is going to defend it.

God bless

 

[Ridgerunner]

You can include me among them. I will not vote for Romney, and if I were ever to meet him I’d chastise him for his denying the faith. He’s nothing more than a slick-talking salesman. I’m voting for Ron Paul in November.

Do not be deluded. That’s a vote for Soros/Obama. If you fail to oppose evil other than by futile, albeit emotionally satisfying gesture, you are evil’s supporter. I encourage you to think it out again.

Personally, I do not care for Romney. But one needs to keep in mind that no matter what Romney really believes, he would be politically incapable of crushing religion the way Obama intends and has accreted to himself the power to do. Romney would also be politically incapable of crushing the middle class, as Soros/Obama intends.

 

[El_Confundido]

Do not be deluded. That’s a vote for Soros/Obama. If you fail to oppose evil other than by futile, albeit emotionally satisfying gesture, you are evil’s supporter. I encourage you to think it out again.

Save me the claptrap. I’m principled, so I’ll vote for the candidate who best represents me. Just because I won’t play by your rules doesn’t make me a “supporter of evil”.

This forum is not helping the image of Catholics.

 

[TexanKnight]

You can include me among them. I will not vote for Romney, and if I were ever to meet him I’d chastise him for his denying the faith. He’s nothing more than a slick-talking salesman. I’m voting for Ron Paul in November.

ah…so you are an obama supporter…

 

[The_Holy_War_11]

I always loved Glenn Beck. I love him even more now!

 

[El_Confundido]

ah…so you are an obama supporter…

No I’m not. I’m a Paul supporter. Clearly evident in my explicitly saying so.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Save me the claptrap. I’m principled, so I’ll vote for the candidate who best represents me. Just because I won’t play by your rules doesn’t make me a “supporter of evil”.

This forum is not helping the image of Catholics.

One would not necessarily expect a forum that espouses Catholic principles to present a satisfactory image to those whose principles are otherwise.

Whether or not one agrees that one aids evil by acting in accordance with one’s emotional proclivity, does not determine whether one is objectively supporting evil. But then, that, too, and the obligation to face objective truth is a Catholic principle and, presumably, presents a poor image to anyone who has a subjectively arrived-at view of good and evil.

Possibly this is not the ideal forum to recruit for diehard Ron Paul supporters. I will readily admit that, if Ron Paul was the nominee, I would put a bullet between my teeth and vote for him as the only means of opposing the evil of the current administration. I would not vote for my preferred (but unelectable) candidate, or for Mickey Mouse or for myself out of personal pique or vanity.

Some will, of course, and one assumes their motivations will be sufficient to them, subjectively. But that does not mean a properly motivated and informed Catholic is obliged to follow such a course of action, just because another feels it strongly.

 

[El_Confundido]

Either we misunderstood each other or you’re backpedalling. I was under the impression we were talking about the GOP primary. I will not vote for Romney in the primary. Like you, if Romney wins the nomination (which he likely is to do) I’ll probably bite the bullet and hold my nose while pulling that lever. Then again, I may write Paul in. If I do, so what? How am I colluding with evil by voting for the candidate who I believe is best for the job and who is also not Obama?

 

[El_Confundido]

But now you’ve piqued my interest with that last sentence. Is it your position that every faithful Catholic (or otherwise lover of Good) must vote for whoever wins the GOP nomination due to nothing more than political logistics?

 

[Ridgerunner]

Either we misunderstood each other or you’re backpedalling. I was under the impression we were talking about the GOP primary. I will not vote for Romney in the primary. Like you, if Romney wins the nomination (which he likely is to do) I’ll probably bite the bullet and hold my nose while pulling that lever. Then again, I may write Paul in. If I do, so what? How am I colluding with evil by voting for the candidate who I believe is best for the job and who is also not Obama?

I understand your clarification. But it has to be admitted that if Paul (or Santorum or Gingrich) is not the nominee, he has no chance of winning in the general, and we’re stuck with only one potentially effective way of opposing Obama. Right now, that looks like voting for Romney in the general, though I am not a Romney supporter going into the primary and would prefer someone else.

But such is my opposition to Obama that I would vote for any of the present Republican potential nominees in the general election. I would consider my failure to do that a dereliction of moral duty to oppose evil.

We can all point to any present Repub nominee and find fault. This one is too moderate; that one is too conservative; this one was too close to unions; that one was a “Washington insider”; the other one is too libertarian. On and on. No matter what, if one of them is elected there will be things about him we do not like or may even find morally offensive.

But none is at war with religion. None has tried, or is ever likely to try, to force the Lutheran Church to acknowledge the government’s power to determine who is and who is not a Lutheran minister, as the Obama administration tried to do. None has tried, or is ever likely to try, to force Catholic institutions to support birth control and abortion the way the Obama administration is trying to do. In the face of this, no church should feel secure. The Southern Baptists, at least, have recognized that, as have other, smaller churches. None is an overt supporter of abortion both here and abroad, as this administration is. None has ever voted against saving the lives of children born of botched abortions the way Obama, on two occasions, has.

I won’t even start on the corruption or the economic misfeasance. Suffice it to say that I would oppose Obama for his adherence to the “Culture of Death” alone, regardless of his other policies and objectives. And I have an obligation to do it in the manner most likely to be effective. From the standpoint of your particular religious faith, that may not be mandatory upon you. From the standpoint of mine, it is.

 

[Ridgerunner]

But now you’ve piqued my interest with that last sentence. Is it your position that every faithful Catholic (or otherwise lover of Good) must vote for whoever wins the GOP nomination due to nothing more than political logistics?

It is my position that no Catholic who is faithful to the teachings of his Church, can fail to oppose Obama. Yes.

It is my further position that one must do so in a manner that has at least some reasonable possibility of being effective.

It is my further position that no secular issue trumps the issue of religious freedom.

It is my furthe rposition that no moral issue trumps the issues of abortion, fetal stem cell experimentation or other use and homosexual “marriage”. One may add to that (in Obama’s voting record alone and therefor his orientation) infanticide.

I recognize that other religious faiths often have a subjective standard of morality; the primacy of individual conscience. But that view is not mandatory on me, or even permissible to me, because I am not an adherent of those faiths. I am Catholic, and my Church holds that right and wrong are objective, not subjective, standards.

On a secular level, it is my position that the government is not constitutionally entitled to rule religious organizations. This administration tried to do that in the Hosanna Tabor case and is trying to do it with Obamacare. As an American citizen, it is my position that I am obliged to oppose administrations that are so flagrantly dismissive of the provisions of the Constitution. If I am to be a responsible citizen, I am obliged to do that in a way that has some possibility of success.

 

[SteveVH]

I am now sorry that I even started this thread. I thought Glenn Beck showed some intellectual honesty in his view toward the Catholic Church and the fight we are all facing, regardless of our faith tradition, against the secular humanist religion which the current administration is trying to impose. This has disintegrated into something I didn’t intend and I hope everyone will get back to the issue at hand.

 

[Matthew_P_Muehl]

Either we misunderstood each other or you’re backpedalling. I was under the impression we were talking about the GOP primary. I will not vote for Romney in the primary. Like you, if Romney wins the nomination (which he likely is to do) I’ll probably bite the bullet and hold my nose while pulling that lever. Then again, I may write Paul in. If I do, so what? How am I colluding with evil by voting for the candidate who I believe is best for the job and who is also not Obama?

That’s because Ron Paul has NO chance of winning. By voting for him you are voting for Obama…

Matthew

 

[Matthew_P_Muehl]

I am now sorry that I even started this thread. I thought Glenn Beck showed some intellectual honesty in his view toward the Catholic Church and the fight we are all facing, regardless of our faith tradition, against the secular humanist religion which the current administration is trying to impose. This has disintegrated into something I didn’t intend and I hope everyone will get back to the issue at hand.

I think Glenn is just trying to bring Christians as a whole to the understanding that Obama has to go or America is finished. What puzzles me is that Mormons deny The Holy Trinity!
Glenn Beck appears to makes himself out as a Christian when he is not.

Matthew

 

[SteveVH]

I think Glenn is just trying to bring Christians as a whole to the understanding that Obama has to go or America is finished. What puzzles me is that Mormons deny The Holy Trinity!
Glenn Beck appears to makes himself out as a Christian when he is not.

Matthew

I don’t disagree but what does this have to do with whether or not Mormons deny the Trinity? I wouldn’t care if Beck was Hindu, his point is valid and I think his motivation was sincere. We can save the rest for another thread.

 

[Matthew_P_Muehl]

I don’t disagree but what does this have to do with whether or not Mormons deny the Trinity? I wouldn’t care if Beck was Hindu, his point is valid and I think his motivation was sincere. We can save the rest for another thread.

I agree. I think Glenn is very sincere in what he is doing and i’m glad he’s doing it.

Matthew

 

[Ridgerunner]

I am now sorry that I even started this thread. I thought Glenn Beck showed some intellectual honesty in his view toward the Catholic Church and the fight we are all facing, regardless of our faith tradition, against the secular humanist religion which the current administration is trying to impose. This has disintegrated into something I didn’t intend and I hope everyone will get back to the issue at hand.

No, it’s better that you did, even though some of us (including me) deviated from it. I have no reason to think Beck was being anything but sincere, and think he was. One does not have to be Catholic or even like Catholicism to realize that if this administration tramples on the Catholic Church, no others are safe,including Beck’s.

 

[Jerusha]

No others are safe,including Beck’s.

With a Mormon in the White House, do you think the abuses in the LDS church will be addressed? I know Romney did well straightening out the SLC Olympics corruption, but how far do you think he is willing to go? Perhaps all churches will have to suffer a bit, in order to straighten out one of the worst?