Mormon commentator Glenn Beck on the Vatican

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It almost seems like JS created himself an elite men’s club, the “temple of the celestial kingdom”, that only the richest of men can afford to join without going broke. How they can get away with charging such a high ‘membership fee’ to be allowed to worship as a full member of any ‘church’ is beyond me. Charity isn’t something that should be mandated, especially not if it’s required before any member is allowed to enter the “temple”. It should be a voluntary gift from the heart.

Since no one really knows for sure if any of that money is even used for charitable purposes, because the church refuses to divulge to anyone how the money is used, it makes it even more incredible. I have to ask one question. Are the members contributions to the church tax deductible? If they are, does the church also expect to get another 10% of those tax refunds, too? 🤷
It is my impression that the Mormon church is not a tax-exempt organization. Could be wrong, but I have read that. If so, then those tithes are not deductible. But neither would the Mormon church (or anybody) have to pay taxes on a gift. The donor pays taxes on a gift, not the recipient. That applies to everybody, not just that church.

Does anybody really think money does nothing for you in churches other than the Mormon church? Has no one ever asked himself how Ted Kennedy got his annulment after all those years of marriage, children, etc.? His “ex” certainly did not acknowlege it, nor did at least some of his children. One should be very careful about throwing stones because human beings are not above manipulating even churches. Nor are clerical people always above being motivated by money.

On the simplest level possible, what Catholic college does not have a building or scholarship named after some very wealthy person who donated millions? What really old church does not have donors’ names permanently imprinted on the glass? I don’t expect those people thought it guaranteed salvation, but I’m sure they considered that it helped some.

On an even more basic level, I once read the “seating list” of an old ethnic Catholic church near here. The seats were parceled out according to donations given, with the seats closest to the heating stove (this is in the 19th century) going to the highest donors. Still not the same as “buying heaven”, but it has a certain odor about it.

And, of course, we know about abuses in the Catholic Church in times past. Did Tetzel really “sell” indulgences? We don’t know for sure, and can’t. But undoubtedly some clerics did that, just as some Popes sold Cardinalates and bishoprics. And Anglican prelates later did the same thing. If you wanted to be a bishop, you had to pay. Why is “Simony” an excommunicable offense? Obviously because it was a problem at some time or other.

As I have said before, there is little about the Mormon church of which I think highly. But I do think people can get excessive about their criticisms.

Finally, what’s it to me what the Mormon church does with the money it gets? Nobody makes the Baptists account for their money either. If you look around, you can see that a lot of it goes into monster buildings. What else? Nobody knows but their preachers, committees, etc.

Isn’t it more relevant to our current situation to wonder where Obama’s campaign money comes from? Isn’t it more relevant to know where union dues go? Isn’t it more relevant (and perhaps worrisome) to know whose pockets George Soros lines?

Catholic institutions are being forced to fund contraception and abortions, and we’re worried about the Mormons?
 
I really wanted to respond to a couple of previous posts, but I don’t want to continue to derail this thread from it’s original intent. I think we should move the discussion of tithing to another thread, so I posted one here.
 
Glenn beck has been saying “we are all catholics now” becaue the constitution is being trampled on and by-passed.

Our right to freedom of religion is being snipped away, right under our noses. The issue of “right of conscience” has been replaced ( by the lie of) “war on women’s health” (i.e. abortion and contraception).

And that is what he spoke about with various vatican people. How dangerous it is.

he wants people to stand with catholics on this issue, regardless of their own beliefs.

The comparison is like what happened to the jews. How many said to themselves"why should i worry? it is the jews they are after"? probem was though soon it aslo the gypsie, the homosexuals, the catholics, the disabled, the people who helped the jews.

If the catholic church can be harmed in the USA with all our protectionns under the Constitution, what will happen to the rest of the world?

This is a dangerous time.

Where do you stand?
 
Hey, it got my anti-Catholic LDS parents (who listen to and watch Glen Beck religiously, almost) to get involved with the HHS stuff. I spoke with them about it at the beginning of the week and they weren’t interested at all… Later on, they heard Beck talk about it and suddenly they were (almost) more fired up about the cause than I was.

The thing is that people listen to Glen Beck. If he’s using his influence for the better (which he is doing in this case), then we as Catholics ought to do what we can to support him as well. I personally don’t listen to (or even really like) him, but heck, if he can reach an audience that we as Catholics can’t then more power to 'im.
 
Latter-day Saints believe that tithing is a principle instituted by God. We of course see the Biblical basis for tithing (Gen 14:20, Gen 28:22, Num 18:26, Deut 12:6, 2 Chr 31:15, Luke 18:12, etc), and believe that it is one way to offer sacrifice to God. We believe that to enter the Lord’s holy house, the temple, one should be striving to follow the Lord’s commandments. Essentially, to enter the Lord’s house, one should believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, have faith in Jesus Christ and His atonement, believe in the restoration of the Gospel and the Lord’s Church, sustain the inspired leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ, and follow commandments and teachings such as the law of chastity, the word of wisdom, and tithing. I see nothing about “only the richest of men can afford without going broke”. Giving 10% of our income also teaches us to live more frugally and to manage our income better, to try to not go into debt, and also to rely on the Lord to provide us with what we need. Also, if one does not have any income at all, then obviously 10% of nothing is nothing. They will not be “barred” from the temple, and I know that when I was a student with no income, I certainly was not restricted from attending the Lord’s house, and even now I am still not “the richest of men”, nor are the vast majority of temple patrons. We believe that following the Lord’s commandments, including tithing, brings blessings (both temporal and spiritual) into our lives, and I and many others have seen this, which is why we strive to follow Christ’s commandments.
On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. - (1 Cor 16:2)
Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. - (2 Cor 9:7)
That is the proper New Testament teaching on tithing. Not the law - the Holy Spirit.

I am always suspicious of religions that need to go back to the OT for their positions on doctrines and disciplines that are clearly expounded in the NT.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
Yes…the New Covenant does not call us to tithe like the Old Testament.

The description of the Mass by St. Justin the Martyr, written around 150 AD to the Roman emperor at that time, described that only the more affluent give but only what they each thought personally right for them. They were to follow their own conscience rooted in Christ.
 
That is the proper New Testament teaching on tithing. Not the law - the Holy Spirit.

I am always suspicious of religions that need to go back to the OT for their positions on doctrines and disciplines that are clearly expounded in the NT.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
Yes, if they claim to be Christian then they should follow NT teachings on such matters.
 
Hey, it got my anti-Catholic LDS parents (who listen to and watch Glen Beck religiously, almost) to get involved with the HHS stuff. I spoke with them about it at the beginning of the week and they weren’t interested at all… Later on, they heard Beck talk about it and suddenly they were (almost) more fired up about the cause than I was.

The thing is that people listen to Glen Beck. If he’s using his influence for the better (which he is doing in this case), then we as Catholics ought to do what we can to support him as well. I personally don’t listen to (or even really like) him, but heck, if he can reach an audience that we as Catholics can’t then more power to 'im.
Good point. I am glad to hear this.🙂
 
I think he is trying to help soothe the tension between the Catholics and the Mormons in an effort to boost support for Romney and so that we will be more welcoming of their temple in Rome.

Just my thoughts.
I don’t see how that works – the Vatican had relations with Muslims, and I think Mormons are a bit closer than Muslims. What does Glenn beck have to do with this?
 
Not sure how I feel about this… I tend to shy away from the TV ‘gasbag’ commentators like Glenn Beck, Bill O’Riley, Keith Olbermann and the like.

In my humble opinion (and that’s all it is; MY opinion) these men and women have way too much influence with the electorate. Remember when news was objective and citizens formed their OWN opinions? In newspapers, Op-Ed pages had editorials, but at least there was the disclaimer that the letters were OPINION. Today, too many watch these people and gobble it up as news, when they’re really just televised Op-Ed programs.

That’s MY two-cents.
 
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