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Mormon Discussions is practically home to me. Despite the strong atheist/agnostic representation, most of them are respectful towards reasonable people of faith. I think the at/ag people should best be regarded as going through a normal phase. They, like Mike Reed, declare themselves as culturally Mormon. Even the nominal LDS are quite reasonable. The ignore function is useful for a few others, including two who spam the place with ridiculous Mormon lies.

It does get pretty heady on scholarship at times. Pekin, Rebecca, myself, and a few others generally enjoy the place.

Mormon Dialogue is anything but.
 
Yeah.

At any rate, it’s this type of belief/attitude that is prevalent at Mormon dialogue. That place leaves me with a feeling of the creeps like like no other. One of the posters sent me a PM once that really kind of scared me. It was very threatening. So no, I don’t go there.

But, it is what Mormons are taught, and they believe what they are taught. It’s for this fact that I don’t hold a grudge against how they view former Mormons. I just don’t need to dialogue with people who think and believe like this. So I don’t, and I wouldn’t recommend that others do. 🙂
Today, in Kaduna, Nigeria, a Catholic Church was bombed by Muslims during Mass, killing 7 and wounding 100. Perhaps Nigerian Catholics should create a “forum” to debate Muslims about the error in their ways, and molly-coddle and gently and lovingly persuade them to become Catholics.

There comes a time when kindness and goodwill doesn’t pay off, and when the Church Militant must defend herself against her enemies as she has always done.

The LDS cult is also a duplicitous and devious enemy of the Catholic Church. They don’t bomb, but they lie and distort the facts about Catholics. They scoff and sneer at our symbols and icons, including our Crucifix. They belittle our sacred teachings and rites, includng our Rosary. They say our Holy Father is the “Anti-Christ”. They insist that our Bible is false and misleading, assembled by the founders of our “apostate” religion. They argue that the “Book of Mormon” is the true scripture inspired by God up on the planet Kolob., “translated” and written by the “prophet”, Joseph Smith, a proven con-man, sociopath, and pedophile. Read UCLA Professor Fawn Brodie’s prize-winning biography of Smith, “No Man Knows My History” for which she was ex-communicated from the cult.

When it serves their purpose, cult members will adopt an air of friendliness and coooperative spirit. This is most always an unscrupulous ruse to gain our confidence, and is particularly true of Mormon politicians pandering for the Catholic vote.

I lived three years in a Mormon cult community in the mountains of Central Arizona. There was a sprinkling of other faiths including Catholics. Mass was held in a private home by a priest who drove 60 miles from another community. The town government was altogether Mormon. My landlord was a “bishop” who robbed graves on a nearby sacred Indian burial ground. He sold the relics in Phoenix for a handsome profit. So much for respectng other people’s faith. This was a bona fide Mormon community, not some “splinter group” that some LDS cult members might contend.

In spite of the continuous harrassment to become a cult member, my life among the Mormons was interesting and a solid education. I have debated with LDS cult members, in person and not in a “forum”, in defense of my Catholic faith. I have been ganged up on, but most always with some degree of civility. However, as RebeccaJ has experienced, there have been some instances of snarling belligerance, bordering on threats. I am a former U. S. Marine and held my ground.
 
Mormon Dialogue is Horrible! If you are not LDS, you are banned if you say ANYTHING. You will get bashed horrible, but if you respond, YOU get banned while the LDS Bashers are praised.
 
Yeah. I still think if we met her in real life she would be a hoot to hang around with. I would have liked to meet her.

At any rate, it’s this type of belief/attitude that is prevalent at Mormon dialogue. That place leaves me with a feeling of the creeps like like no other. One of the posters sent me a PM once that really kind of scared me. It was very threatening. So no, I don’t go there.

But, it is what Mormons are taught, and they believe what they are taught. It’s for this fact that I don’t hold a grudge against how they view former Mormons. I just don’t need to dialogue with people who think and believe like this. So I don’t, and I wouldn’t recommend that others do. 🙂
I probably would have had to had some drinks in order to meet her…LOl

She was unique is all I can say…😃
 
There comes a time when kindness and goodwill doesn’t pay off, and when the Church Militant must defend herself against her enemies as she has always done.
Jack, so what are you suggesting? I empathize with your AZ experience and commend you for defending the teachings of the Church :knight2: and your service to our country.

The rosary may be our best weapon.
 
Today, in Kaduna, Nigeria, a Catholic Church was bombed by Muslims during Mass, killing 7 and wounding 100. Perhaps Nigerian Catholics should create a “forum” to debate Muslims about the error in their ways, and molly-coddle and gently and lovingly persuade them to become Catholics.

There comes a time when kindness and goodwill doesn’t pay off, and when the Church Militant must defend herself against her enemies as she has always done.

The LDS cult is also a duplicitous and devious enemy of the Catholic Church. They don’t bomb, but they lie and distort the facts about Catholics. They scoff and sneer at our symbols and icons, including our Crucifix. They belittle our sacred teachings and rites, includng our Rosary. They say our Holy Father is the “Anti-Christ”. They insist that our Bible is false and misleading, assembled by the founders of our “apostate” religion. They argue that the “Book of Mormon” is the true scripture inspired by God up on the planet Kolob., “translated” and written by the “prophet”, Joseph Smith, a proven con-man, sociopath, and pedophile. Read UCLA Professor Fawn Brodie’s prize-winning biography of Smith, “No Man Knows My History” for which she was ex-communicated from the cult.

When it serves their purpose, cult members will adopt an air of friendliness and coooperative spirit. This is most always an unscrupulous ruse to gain our confidence, and is particularly true of Mormon politicians pandering for the Catholic vote.

I lived three years in a Mormon cult community in the mountains of Central Arizona. There was a sprinkling of other faiths including Catholics. Mass was held in a private home by a priest who drove 60 miles from another community. The town government was altogether Mormon. My landlord was a “bishop” who robbed graves on a nearby sacred Indian burial ground. He sold the relics in Phoenix for a handsome profit. So much for respectng other people’s faith. This was a bona fide Mormon community, not some “splinter group” that some LDS cult members might contend.

In spite of the continuous harrassment to become a cult member, my life among the Mormons was interesting and a solid education. I have debated with LDS cult members, in person and not in a “forum”, in defense of my Catholic faith. I have been ganged up on, but most always with some degree of civility. However, as RebeccaJ has experienced, there have been some instances of snarling belligerance, bordering on threats. I am a former U. S. Marine and held my ground.
Well, it may be a far-away theory for you, that is, how to live with people who are opposed to your beliefs. I have hundreds of relatives, and close family, who are all, everyone of them, devout Mormons.

Taking the view that they are equivalent to people who bomb churches and murder? Well, I hope you can understand that I strongly disagree with you.

One, I don’t hate my enemies and two, LDS people are not my enemy. So you really have no point with me, laying out your hate filled diatribe.

Hope that helps you understand my POV.
 
Laugh all you like. I know what I experienced. I wouldn’t touch that place again.
That’s fine. I participated there when I was a critical traditional Christian for some time, believing that Joseph Smith and his associates made it all up. My experience was different. Indeed, my experience was somewhat similar to that of being a Latter-day Saint posting on this forum.
He was banned here some time ago. My fondest memory of him is telling me something along the lines that God would never hear my prayers because I left your cult.
Oh dear. He clearly was wrong (as he was on many things).
Yeah. I still think if we met her in real life she would be a hoot to hang around with. I would have liked to meet her.

At any rate, it’s this type of belief/attitude that is prevalent at Mormon dialogue. That place leaves me with a feeling of the creeps like like no other. One of the posters sent me a PM once that really kind of scared me. It was very threatening. So no, I don’t go there.

But, it is what Mormons are taught, and they believe what they are taught. It’s for this fact that I don’t hold a grudge against how they view former Mormons. I just don’t need to dialogue with people who think and believe like this. So I don’t, and I wouldn’t recommend that others do. 🙂
“anything an ex mormon said would be a lie, or a twisted truth”? Certainly false. There are a number of ex-LDS, disbelieving LDS, [insert adjective] LDS posting there. I guess they have their reasons for staying and posting just like you have your reasons not to.

It is interesting to me (and many others) what is said about people that leave the Catholic Church, including right on this forum.

At any rate, any one is welcome to find out for themselves whether they would like to participate on any forum, including Mormondialogue.org (I know some people (and not just LDS. orthodoxchristianity.net posters have many interesting things to say about CAF) that wouldn’t recommend posting on this site for various reasons, just like how you don’t recommend mormondialogue). I think it’s a great place to interact with a greater number of Latter-day Saints (if someone is interested in dialoguing with Latter-day Saints), some with relevant advanced academic degrees and positions, and those familiar with the depth of LDS history and beliefs (and most are familiar with many if not most of the critical articles, forums, books, sites, etc.), in contrast to some of the LDS that post here and other forums. It is also a different experience to not be in the majority or on one’s “home turf”, which can lead to one having or perceiving negativity towards them (this is how many non-Catholics feel here, and I’m sure that’s how many non-[insert religion] feel at other forums that are not managed by members of their own faith).

Just my opinion.
 
That’s fine. I participated there when I was a critical traditional Christian for some time, believing that Joseph Smith and his associates made it all up. My experience was different. Indeed, my experience was somewhat similar to that of being a Latter-day Saint posting on this forum.
I find it interesting that I first joined Mormondialogue as an active member and defender of the LDS faith, and was driven into traditional Christianity, while your experience was quite the opposite. I never found the arguments or reasoning of people in the camp of Nibley, DC Petersen, and more recently Don Bradley to be convincing, and I still don’t understand why others find them to be.
It is interesting to me (and many others) what is said about people that leave the Catholic Church, including right on this forum.
At any rate, any one is welcome to find out for themselves whether they would like to participate on any forum, including Mormondialogue.org (I know some people (and not just LDS. orthodoxchristianity.net posters have many interesting things to say about CAF) that wouldn’t recommend posting on this site for various reasons, just like how you don’t recommend mormondialogue). I think it’s a great place to interact with a greater number of Latter-day Saints (if someone is interested in dialoguing with Latter-day Saints), some with relevant advanced academic degrees and positions, and those familiar with the depth of LDS history and beliefs (and most are familiar with many if not most of the critical articles, forums, books, sites, etc.), in contrast to some of the LDS that post here and other forums. It is also a different experience to not be in the majority or on one’s “home turf”, which can lead to one having or perceiving negativity towards them (this is how many non-Catholics feel here, and I’m sure that’s how many non-[insert religion] feel at other forums that are not managed by members of their own faith).
Just my opinion.
You bring up excellent points. Often times we get so caught up in our passions that we forget to be charitable. There are quite a few members of CAF that are quick to jump down the throat of anyone who disagrees with them when instead they should enter into discussion with patience, humility, and understanding. I pray for the day that we can all have a discussion without distorting history and the arguments of the other side in order to “win”.
 
Well, it may be a far-away theory for you, that is, how to live with people who are opposed to your beliefs. I have hundreds of relatives, and close family, who are all, everyone of them, devout Mormons.

Taking the view that they are equivalent to people who bomb churches and murder? Well, I hope you can understand that I strongly disagree with you.

One, I don’t hate my enemies and two, LDS people are not my enemy. So you really have no point with me, laying out your hate filled diatribe.

Hope that helps you understand my POV.
It’s amusing when an LDS cult member is confronted with the facts it becomes a “hate filled diatribe”. The same as accusing Nazis of murdering 6 million people is a hate filled diatribe.

RebeccaJ, I don’t hate LDS cult members. I had a business partner and dear friend who was a stake president and bishop.

Anyone wanting to know the true nature of the LDS cult, go to Wikipedia “The Mountain Meadows Massacre”. Also see the extensive Amazon book list on this terrible event, including books by cult members trying to justify the robbery and murder of 140 innocent travvelers on orders from LDS cult headquarters in Salt Lake City, in fact, from the “Prophet” himself.

Anyway, RebeccaJ, thanks for this lively discussion.
 
I started going online over a decade ago. I know a lot of these places being discussed.

Yeah, I second (third? fifth?) the opinion to not go to lds.net seeking debate. The people funding the site are quite clear about it’s purpose - it is there so folks can learn about what mormons believe and why. It is not a place to try to prove us wrong - you will get banned if you try. Interestingly, the place has a protestant moderator.

I used to be a mainstay on mormondialogue.org, back when it was run by FAIR. These days, the place seems peopled by intellectuals who have heard it all before. It’s supposedly about dialogue, but you can probably expect some nose-in-the-air superiority and in-joking. Some of these posters came from the long-defunct Zion’s Lighthouse board - and those folks actually ran an experiement where they switched sides and played for the other team for a week just to see what it would feel like.
 
Jack, I have several questions for you. Many Mormons have a martyr complex. Therefore, they are overly quick to call themselves victims of anti-Mormons. You also have some bitterness at having been mistreated by LDS. Aren’t you doing the same as them, thus descending to their level? Can you see where YOU fell short? Arguing with them, for example, gets you nowhere.

Calling them a cult, for example, is a fighting issue. The word cult has many definitions, but I believe you are using it in a very perjorative sense. That will get you nowhere in a dialogue. Stop it!!

I would suggest that you examine why they have such a martyr complex. For example, the Mormon war which broke out in IIllinois after the deaths of Joseph and Hyrum was unnecessarily violent. You can also take a look at the violence at Haun’s Mill. Their defensiveness is a result of their having been indoctrinated about their victimhood from early childhood, with these stories. Although they preach to their own about forgiveness of transgression within their own community, forgiving non-Mormons is not a part of their culture.

Can you understand why TODAY’s Mormons are as they are, and therefore forgive them, as victims of their own sick culture?
 
That’s fine. I participated there when I was a critical traditional Christian for some time, believing that Joseph Smith and his associates made it all up. My experience was different. Indeed, my experience was somewhat similar to that of being a Latter-day Saint posting on this forum.

Not hardly. Had it been like over there, you would have been banned after your first 2 days. Not that you said anything that offensive…but you would have been banned

“anything an ex mormon said would be a lie, or a twisted truth”? Certainly false. There are a number of ex-LDS, disbelieving LDS, [insert adjective] LDS posting there. I guess they have their reasons for staying and posting just like you have your reasons not to.

Actually, it is very true

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Can anyone point me to a good forum for discussion and debating Mormonism or any other faith including Protestantism?
I do not understand why some what to debate something so personal as one’s religious conviction. Are you trying to destroy my religious conviction? Maybe for a weaker LDS member — myself you are wasting your time.

I understand there will be those who do not agree with my doctrine so I have no problem with that at all.
 
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