Mormon Doctrine that has changed

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These are doctrine from the original Mormon Doctrine by the man who would be an Apostle, Bruce McKonkie.

Anti-Christ- ALL who belng to apostate (non-LDS) Churches of the day.

Anasthansian Creed: " by far the most senseless and incomprehensible but the one Catholic defenders feel called upon to raise for its clarity.

Baptism: One great apostate organization, the Catholic Church, places so much emphasis on baptism that they baptize infants.

Belief- no one who has knowledge of Book of Mormon can believe in Christ unless he believes in Book of Mormon.

Book of Mormon: There are a number of Biblical prophesies foretelling the coming forth of the Book of Mormon.

Catholicism: See “Church of the Devil”

Celestial Marriage: Many Catholic Priests and Nuns are bound by vows of celibacy. Celibacy is a evil, wicked system.

Church of the Devil: The Roman Catholic Church is designated as being the most abominable above all other churches.

Creation: Celestial time is the time that prevails on the planet Kolob.

Cross: Apostate Churches use the symbol of the cross

Damnation: Believers in apostate Christianity will reap damnation to their souls

Dark Ages: direct outgrowth of the restraint imposed by that great apostate church (Catholic) that has Satan as its founder

Excommunication: Blessings lost and person is delivered to the Devil.

Holy Father: The Catholic Church gives this title to the Pope and the title is blasphemous.

Infant Baptism: No more damnable doctrine was ever taught.

Joseph Smith: As a pre-existent spirit he had ranked with Adam and Abraham.

This is just a few samples of Mormon Doctrine that has been changed.
 
Some of what you have listed has not changed. Each one has been a thread of its own at some point.
 
Mormonism needs to come clean!! 'Fess up and no more double talk.
 
TexanKnight said:
These are doctrine from the original Mormon Doctrine by the man who would be an Apostle, Bruce McKonkie.

Anti-Christ- ALL who belng to apostate (non-LDS) Churches of the day.

Anasthansian Creed: " by far the most senseless and incomprehensible but the one Catholic defenders feel called upon to raise for its clarity.

Baptism: One great apostate organization, the Catholic Church, places so much emphasis on baptism that they baptize infants.

Belief- no one who has knowledge of Book of Mormon can believe in Christ unless he believes in Book of Mormon.

Book of Mormon: There are a number of Biblical prophesies foretelling the coming forth of the Book of Mormon.

Catholicism: See “Church of the Devil”

Celestial Marriage: Many Catholic Priests and Nuns are bound by vows of celibacy. Celibacy is a evil, wicked system.

Church of the Devil: The Roman Catholic Church is designated as being the most abominable above all other churches.

Creation: Celestial time is the time that prevails on the planet Kolob.

Cross: Apostate Churches use the symbol of the cross

Damnation: Believers in apostate Christianity will reap damnation to their souls

Dark Ages: direct outgrowth of the restraint imposed by that great apostate church (Catholic) that has Satan as its founder

Excommunication: Blessings lost and person is delivered to the Devil.

Holy Father: The Catholic Church gives this title to the Pope and the title is blasphemous.

Infant Baptism: No more damnable doctrine was ever taught.

Joseph Smith: As a pre-existent spirit he had ranked with Adam and Abraham.

This is just a few samples of Mormon Doctrine that has been changed.
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You mean, Athanasian Creed…
Plus, what good is this thread going to do friend? Mormons seem to have jettisoned McConkie as a teacher of doctrine…
 
  1. this has been done to death.
  2. we NEED to make mormons our allies pollitically in America today.
They not only believe morally what we believe…openess to life, no abortion, recognizing sin, family strength, voulenteerism & charity. But they LIVE it. They fight politically for it. There are few mormons in name only…but there are many Christians/Catholics in name only.

The devil isnt the Catholic or Mormon church, but the separation. If Catholics made nice and united with Mormons we’d see a turnaround in the values of this country.

We should fear athiest who want to forbid children from bringing Jesus pencils from school. We should fear new ageists who dress their girls in reveling clothing and muslims who make 10yo’s wear burkas.

get it together people. this is a distraction
 
SeaShoreGirl said:
If Catholics made nice and united with Mormons we’d see a turnaround in the values of this country.
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Many Mormons are very good at making nice and saying foul things about us behind our backs. If you were to look at the history of the debates on this board, you would see how dedicated they are at trying to destroy Catholicism. :sad_yes:
 
Seashore,

Your intentions are right…however, you have to see as well the profound need for truth for Mormons’ sake, and the damage it has done…Lax has made us aware of the crisis Mormonism is in…even though there are Mormons who are Catholic, they still have their own personal struggles from their past religion.

Now how critical it is for Catholics to reach out to them in truth and love – and guidance - otherwise, when so many find out the truth about Mormonism, they lose faith and become atheists, never returning to belief in God.
 
there are people of Mormon cultural heritage who are Catholic, they still have their own personal struggles from their past religion.
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Mormonism and Catholicism are mutually incompatible. Mormons use social pressure to control their own, to control those who have left, and to control the communities they live in.
 
theidler said:
You mean, Athanasian Creed…
Plus, what good is this thread going to do friend? Mormons seem to have jettisoned McConkie as a teacher of doctrine…
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Yeah, I am a poor typist and spelled it too fast and did not go back and check. Thanks for being my proofreader.

Yet they use his book AND made him an Apostle, aka “Prophet, Seer and Revelator” that is far wehat I consider “jettisoned”
 
SeaShoreGirl said:
  1. this has been done to death.
  2. we NEED to make mormons our allies pollitically in America today.
They not only believe morally what we believe…openess to life, no abortion, recognizing sin, family strength, voulenteerism & charity. But they LIVE it. They fight politically for it. There are few mormons in name only…but there are many Christians/Catholics in name only.

The devil isnt the Catholic or Mormon church, but the separation. If Catholics made nice and united with Mormons we’d see a turnaround in the values of this country.

We should fear athiest who want to forbid children from bringing Jesus pencils from school. We should fear new ageists who dress their girls in reveling clothing and muslims who make 10yo’s wear burkas.

get it together people. this is a distraction
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Actually, it is not. The Catholic Church has determined that the LDS Chuerch is NOT led by God. The LDS baptism is one of the few not accepted by the Catholic Church. Do not be misled. Do not become complacent. I was once LDS, I know what they believe and how dangerous the doctrine can be
 
Another note: the reason I posted this thread is because so many LDS have denied these doctrines and said they were never taught. McKonkie did not just make this up to write a book. He was a leader when he wrote and made an Apostle after he wrote it.
 
SeaShoreGirl said:
  1. this has been done to death.
  2. we NEED to make mormons our allies pollitically in America today.
They not only believe morally what we believe…openess to life, no abortion, recognizing sin, family strength, voulenteerism & charity. But they LIVE it. They fight politically for it. There are few mormons in name only…but there are many Christians/Catholics in name only.

The devil isnt the Catholic or Mormon church, but the separation. If Catholics made nice and united with Mormons we’d see a turnaround in the values of this country.

We should fear athiest who want to forbid children from bringing Jesus pencils from school. We should fear new ageists who dress their girls in reveling clothing and muslims who make 10yo’s wear burkas.

get it together people. this is a distraction
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You are wrong about abortion. The LDS church teaches that abortion is ok in some circumstances. Individual members may have a different view, but that is not the official teaching.
 
SeaShoreGirl said:
  1. this has been done to death.
  2. we NEED to make mormons our allies pollitically in America today.
They not only believe morally what we believe…openess to life,** no abortion**, recognizing sin, family strength, voulenteerism & charity. But they LIVE it. They fight politically for it. There are few mormons in name only…but there are many Christians/Catholics in name only.

The devil isnt the Catholic or Mormon church, but the separation. If Catholics made nice and united with Mormons we’d see a turnaround in the values of this country.

We should fear athiest who want to forbid children from bringing Jesus pencils from school. We should fear new ageists who dress their girls in reveling clothing and muslims who make 10yo’s wear burkas.

get it together people. this is a distraction
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“We have no revelation on abortion”**

Didn’t you assume Mormons were pro-life? That’s certainly the image their church attempts to broadcast, and most Mormons, in fact, mistakenly believe their church opposes abortion and regards it as an objective evil. But not so.

Indeed, the Mormon church accepts abortion for a number of reasons. The Church Handbook of Instructions, approved in September, 1998, states that abortion may be performed in the following circumstances: pregnancy resulting from rape or incest; a competent physician says the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy; or a competent physician says that the “fetus” has severe defects that will not allow the “baby” to survive beyond birth. In any case, the persons responsible must first consult with their church leader and receive God’s approval in prayer (156).

This same Handbook, the official policies of the Mormon church to be followed by all local church leaders throughout the world, also claims: “It is a fact that a child has life before birth. However, there is no direct revelation on when the spirit enters the body” (156). Previous teachings by former Mormon prophets referred to the unborn child as “a child,” “a baby,” a “human being,” and decried abortion as “killing,” “a grievous sin,” “a damnable practice.” Spencer W. Kimball, the prophet who died in 1985, taught, “We have repeatedly affirmed the position of the church in unalterably opposing all abortions” (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 189).

It appears that this “unalterable” position, constantly “affirmed,” is just another in a series of doctrinal and moral teachings that Mormons have reworded, reworked, rescinded, or reneged—though never officially renounced. Such is the quality of the Mormon belief in “continuing revelation.” Don’t expect dogmatic or ethical consistency. Rather, look for expediency and conformity with “the times.”

A further statement in the Handbook says: “The church has not favored or opposed legislative proposals or public demonstrations concerning abortion (156).” While the Mormon prophet claims to speak the mind and will of God, he can neither figure out when the unborn child becomes human or if it is God’s desire that we protect the unborn unconditionally.

Your Mormon friend will offer the excuse that his church leaves many decisions to the free agency (free will) of its people, and that abortion is one such concern. You might point out the irony in the fact that the Mormon church has no hesitation or uncertainty in making the following declarations:
  1. “The church opposes gambling in any form” (including lotteries). Members are also urged to oppose legislation and government sponsorship of any form of gambling (Handbook, 150).
  2. The church also opposes [correctly, of course] pornography in any form (158).

  3. Church members are to reject all efforts to legally authorize or support same-sex unions (158).
There is no need for a member to pray for divine guidance or seek church approval for such activities, for there will be no divine or ecclesiastical finessing of morality to permit even an occasional bingo game. A prayerful game of poker, unrepented, will bar the member from the temple and ultimate salvation; a prayerful, by-the-book abortion, unrepented, won’t.

catholic.com/tracts/mormon-stumpers
 
Miriam1947 said:
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“We have no revelation on abortion”**

Didn’t you assume Mormons were pro-life? That’s certainly the image their church attempts to broadcast, and most Mormons, in fact, mistakenly believe their church opposes abortion and regards it as an objective evil. But not so.

Indeed, the Mormon church accepts abortion for a number of reasons. The Church Handbook of Instructions, approved in September, 1998, states that abortion may be performed in the following circumstances: pregnancy resulting from rape or incest; a competent physician says the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy; or a competent physician says that the “fetus” has severe defects that will not allow the “baby” to survive beyond birth. In any case, the persons responsible must first consult with their church leader and receive God’s approval in prayer (156).

This same Handbook, the official policies of the Mormon church to be followed by all local church leaders throughout the world, also claims: “It is a fact that a child has life before birth. However, there is no direct revelation on when the spirit enters the body” (156). Previous teachings by former Mormon prophets referred to the unborn child as “a child,” “a baby,” a “human being,” and decried abortion as “killing,” “a grievous sin,” “a damnable practice.” Spencer W. Kimball, the prophet who died in 1985, taught, “We have repeatedly affirmed the position of the church in unalterably opposing all abortions” (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 189).

It appears that this “unalterable” position, constantly “affirmed,” is just another in a series of doctrinal and moral teachings that Mormons have reworded, reworked, rescinded, or reneged—though never officially renounced. Such is the quality of the Mormon belief in “continuing revelation.” Don’t expect dogmatic or ethical consistency. Rather, look for expediency and conformity with “the times.”

A further statement in the Handbook says: “The church has not favored or opposed legislative proposals or public demonstrations concerning abortion (156).” While the Mormon prophet claims to speak the mind and will of God, he can neither figure out when the unborn child becomes human or if it is God’s desire that we protect the unborn unconditionally.

Your Mormon friend will offer the excuse that his church leaves many decisions to the free agency (free will) of its people, and that abortion is one such concern. You might point out the irony in the fact that the Mormon church has no hesitation or uncertainty in making the following declarations:
  1. “The church opposes gambling in any form” (including lotteries). Members are also urged to oppose legislation and government sponsorship of any form of gambling (Handbook, 150).
  2. The church also opposes [correctly, of course] pornography in any form (158).

  3. Church members are to reject all efforts to legally authorize or support same-sex unions (158).
There is no need for a member to pray for divine guidance or seek church approval for such activities, for there will be no divine or ecclesiastical finessing of morality to permit even an occasional bingo game. A prayerful game of poker, unrepented, will bar the member from the temple and ultimate salvation; a prayerful, by-the-book abortion, unrepented, won’t.

catholic.com/tracts/mormon-stumpers
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Excellent post, Miriam. I was fooled into thinking LDS shared the same morality as Catholics when I voted for Mitt Romney for governor, based on his TV ads, speeches, and other sources that made it him seem as though he shared our views. I was also impressed by his supposed “business sense”. I should have done my homework on that one, too. Needless to say, my opinion changed radically from the time he took office until he left MA (close to bankrupt, after his “RomneyCare” went into effect) to run for president in the last election. Just before he left, he was the first US governor to sign the “gay marriage bill” into law, here in MA, even though he could have sent it back for another round of voting (which we were hoping he would do). He claimed he was just giving the people of MA, “what they deserved”. (His term in office was… less than rosy.) Then, he promptly packed up his family and moved back to his first home, in Utah. :rolleyes:
 
I think the comment that the child might not be a person anyway…seems to contradict the premortal existence on another thread.

So such a thinking contradicts a Mormon’s position that life begins with God giving it His spirit…or so I am trying to understand. They believe but don’t believe…follow Scripture but don’t follow scripture…all these mirrors…
 
Long ago I did some research into Mormonism. It has, at times, held a lot worse things than the ones recited in the OP. Like the Jehovahs’ Witnesses, of course, it allows for later addenda to prophesies, and changes beliefs from time to time. I also know there are a lot of Mormons in Catholic schools, precisely because many of them believe the moral atmosphere in Catholic schools is more akin to their own than is the case in public schools. The FBI and the CIA like hiring Mormons because they’re more reliable than many. They like hiring traditional Catholics too, for the same reason.

We’re going to hear a lot of anti-Mormon stuff this year, particularly if Romney is the nominee. A good part of it will be false, but I’m sure Soros and Obama already have the propaganda ready. But they will do it so it can’t be directly attributed to them.
 
Ridgerunner, I understand your concerns. There are many LDS living moral, ethical lives, by Catholic standards. However, LDS, as a people, are very diverse. Some of the population in Utah are so far on the radical right that they could easily develop into something like radical Muslims or even Nazis.

As far as schools go, Mormons do not believe in having their own religious schools. They pay so much tithing that many cannot afford them. They therefore try to take over and dominate the public school system as an instrument for indoctrinating their children, and those of non-Mormons who have no other choices. They complain whenever anything is taught in such PUBLIC schools which is contrary to their beliefs. That includes Native American history, and literature which contains parallels with the Book of Mormon. That includes Shakespeare’s “The Tempest,” as well as the works of Geoffrey of Monmouth. There was a stink a number of years ago in the Kansas City area when a fiction about living in a totalitarian state was being taught in the middle schools. The complainers? LDS, who saw the book as a criticism of their culture.

I am SURE that if Maccabees was extensively taught in Catholic schools where LDS students attend, those parents would also TRY to find some way to complain.

Do you really want to see the education of your children dictated by a 1% minority of the population? Not to mention racist comments I heard from LDS working in that particular school district. I will not even begin to describe the racism I experienced as having only enough Native ancestry that the person needs to really be looking for it.

Many here can tell you about the released time negotiations for seminary for LDS high school students, which also stretch the definition of non-sectarian public education.

In non-Mormon dominated areas of the country, they are generally more assimilated, and would prefer to send their children to Catholic schools, if they can afford it.

That is only a beginning of what I could say. PLEASE don’t tell me that all LDS are sweet, good people. They have so much garbage in their history that if it were taught in our public schools, teachers would be CONDEMNED for teaching the truth.

And, getting back to the topic, Mormon doctrine changes so often and is so self-contradictory that Mormons have trouble keeping up with it. Therefore, each LDS ends up believing whatever they are predisposed to believe.
 
And the fact that I arrived there immediately after a divorce, got an annulment, and CHOSE to not re-marry elicited some very nasty comments and questions from LDS about my sexuality. I simply chose not to make the same mistake again. Because I choose to live a celibate lifestyle, that was, and is my own business.
 
Jerusha said:
And the fact that I arrived there immediately after a divorce, got an annulment, and CHOSE to not re-marry elicited some very nasty comments and questions from LDS about my sexuality. I simply chose not to make the same mistake again. Because I choose to live a celibate lifestyle, that was, and is my own business.
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Mormons can’t imagine living without sex, is the gist of things I’ve gotten from them. Must be something really wrong with you that you choose to do so. :rolleyes:

Try bringing up abstinence in marriage with a Mormon. Why contracept for health relate issues when you can just abstain? It’s like you’re discussing sacrificing your first born.
 
RR really set off a nerve, didn’t he? I knew you were angling around for me to add that last one. 😃
 
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