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jane_doe
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The primary source for these particular teachings is a book of LDS scripture call the “Doctrine and Covenants”, however there are references in the Bible and BoM as well.
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jane_doe
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The highest degree of celestial. Reference for further reading: lds.org/topics/kingdoms-of-glory?lang=eng
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ajcstr
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I read chapter 46 regarding final judgement from that first set of links you sent: lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-46-the-final-judgment?lang=eng
I have a question about 2 quotes from that page regarding the different kingdoms:
You mentioned there is no heaven/hell per se. What is the hell in this line referring to the Telestial kingdom?
“They will suffer for their own sins in hell until after the Millennium, when they will be resurrected.”
In the Celestial kingdom, who becomes a god and how does that god “status” compare to the Father?
“Those who inherit the highest degree of the celestial kingdom, who become gods, must also have been married for eternity in the temple”
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jane_doe
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(All of this is talking about LDS beliefs)
2) These people are spirits and not resurrected beings.
3) Unlike some Christian traditions, these spirits watch over use and are actively involved in other activities. (I’m not sure the Catholic beliefs here)
The Telestial Kingdom is NOT Spirit Prison. The Telestial the is a post-Judgement abode and also a place of happiness. Here’s graphic to help visualize things–
google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjb6_eW1eHOAhUL0WMKHYXOC6QQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clipartkid.com%2Fplan-of-salvation-cliparts%2F&psig=AFQjCNGAxuOPxmQeaALDmIfDbTlmuzb-2g&ust=1472389684112141
Further reading on this subject: lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng
The pre-judgement Spirit Prison and Spirit Paradise could be compared to mainstream Christianity Heaven/Hell, and there are a lot of similarities. But there are key differences too: 1) Spirit Prison and Spirit Paradise are only temporary abodes for pre- Final Judgement times.
2) These people are spirits and not resurrected beings.
3) Unlike some Christian traditions, these spirits watch over use and are actively involved in other activities. (I’m not sure the Catholic beliefs here)
The Telestial Kingdom is NOT Spirit Prison. The Telestial the is a post-Judgement abode and also a place of happiness. Here’s graphic to help visualize things–
google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjb6_eW1eHOAhUL0WMKHYXOC6QQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clipartkid.com%2Fplan-of-salvation-cliparts%2F&psig=AFQjCNGAxuOPxmQeaALDmIfDbTlmuzb-2g&ust=1472389684112141
The Father will always be a person’s Father, and the Savior will always be a person’s Savior. The Father, being a being of infinite love, wants to share all He has with us, and at the Celelstrail level He is able to do that, allowing us to become joint heirs with Christ (Romans 8:16–17).
Further reading on this subject: lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng
Yes, being married is part of the the greatest happiness. Those that do not have the opportunity to be righteously married in this life will have that opportunity in the next one.
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lax16
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In a nutshell, Mormon posters, why be good if you are guaranteed to go to heaven?
And I mean,* be good*, as in loving and caring for non-Mormons.
And I mean,* be good*, as in loving and caring for non-Mormons.
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jane_doe
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Why follow the commandments of our Lord and Savior? Love, desire to be like Him, etc.
Also, on the “guaranteed to go to heaven”: there is a spectrum of happiness, with greater happiness attained from following Him.
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ajcstr
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Thank you, I didn’t know that a literal Millennium was part of your beliefs
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jane_doe
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Yes. How about Catholics?
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ajcstr
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Catholics are amillennial, believing that we are living in the Millennium now.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amillennialism
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lax16
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So one only has to do rituals and keep the commandments? What about love thy enemy?
There’s a spectrum of happiness in heaven or on earth?
Where does this teaching come from? Please cite the source.
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jane_doe
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If you’re including “love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul” in your list of commandments. Actions without love and belief are meaningless.
That is a commandment.
I was referring to post-Judgement. But, yes there is also a spectrum here on Earth-- following the Lord’s way on this Earth lightens your burden and brings joy.
See the references i posted in #2.
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ajcstr
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jane…While we have you on the line, I was reading through “Pearl of Great Price”, What is Kolob and how does it relate to God the father? Is there official teaching on this?
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jane_doe
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“Kolob” is mentioned in two different Pearl of Great Price chapters, both of which are talking the pre-Earth life, creation of this world, the universe, etc. This is all hefty stuff, and hence the chapters are very symbolic throughout. Kolob is name of the star closets to God’s throne (again, all of this is symbolic).
No official interpretation is given for this symbology, but rather members are left to ponder this and consult with the Spirit. If you want, I can go over some common interpretations.
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RebeccaJ
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Again, not what the Mormon church teaches.
“Even a knowledge of the greatest of the governing spheres of the endless universe, Kolob by name (see Abr. 3:3–4), was revealed to the patriarch—a unique contribution in all of scripture. As fascinating as this knowledge of astronomy is, the far more important issue here may be why the information was given.” lds.org/ensign/1997/03/the-book-of-abraham-a-most-remarkable-book?lang=eng
“The prophet is shown various features of the heavens, including even the great astronomical body Kolob, which “is set nigh unto the throne of God.” (Abr. 3:9.) Recent research indicates that the astronomical model portrayed here fits very well among ancient geocentric (earth-centered) notions.” lds.org/ensign/1994/01/news-from-antiquity?lang=eng
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ajcstr
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Does one of them have to do with the planet God the Father once lived on as a man? This is the one I have heard and trying to distinguish if this was ever or is still taught.
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jane_doe
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Scripture clearly says “star”, not planet.
“Planet Kolob” is an expression usually used by people trying to mock the LDS faith, and are not representative of LDS beliefs.
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ajcstr
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yes you did say star in your last post - missed that
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jane_doe
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No worries, it happens to the best of us
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RebeccaJ
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Depends on which Mormon you are talking to. Kolob in Mormon scripture is described as a having one rotation equal to 1000 years of earth’s rotation. In modern astronomy, suns are not described in relationship to the time of one orbit around another sun. And Kolob is described as the governing star/planet that all else revolves around.
The Book of Abraham astronomy is about “stars”, as we call all the shining lights in the sky “stars”, but we know some stars are planets and some stars are suns. The BoA uses the terms stars and planets, interchangeably. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob#Star_or_planet.3F
Kolob is the nearest star/planet to the planet that the Mormon God lives on, now, presumably.
The Book of Abraham contains a literal explanation of astronomy. Symbolic meaning is sometimes applied to it in LDS teaching.
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