Mormon Missionaries at Mass Sat. Night

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Another possible explanation is that he discovered that he had been a part of an apostate religion; and he looked for and found the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; and he found his “personal, heart to heart meeting with Jesus the Savior” in that Restored Church, which he never found nor could have found in the apostate one which he was lucky enough to leave behind.
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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the epitome of apostate religion! They remind of the former German Democratic Republic (Communist East Germany) - they weren’t democratic and they weren’t a republic. LDS aren’t a restored church at any stretch of the imagination.
 
isaac.madsen said:
Seriously, what does this have to do with the subject of this thread? Get back on topic please.
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It’s a joke. Elsewhere today it was mentioned that horses weren’t present in pre-Columbian America. Some time back, Zerinus had made something of a mess of his claim that horses had, in fact, been here, but it seems that those, being only a relative, went extinct around 10k years ago, probably due to being hunted to death by the ancestors of the American indians who came, not from Palestine, but from China, across a land bridge at what is known as the Bering Strait during the last ice age, when ocean levels were much lower. Anyways, it is a joke, and we appreciate Zerinus for being the butt of so many.
 
Allweather said:
It’s a joke. …and we appreciate Zerinus for being the butt of so many.
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Yes. I realize this, but I don’t think it is productive use of the thread. I don’t mean to be a party pooper, but if I’d rather find that kind of humor in a specific thread on the subject where it’s relevant. This particular joke has little to do with Missionaries at Mass.

I do admit it made me laugh though. 😃
 
isaac.madsen said:
Yes. I realize this, but I don’t think it is productive use of the thread. I don’t mean to be a party pooper, but if I’d rather find that kind of humor in a specific thread on the subject where it’s relevant. This particular joke has little to do with Missionaries at Mass.

I do admit it made me laugh though. 😃
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It’s my fault. I made the acid comment about Zerinus entering on the horse called Apostasy. He has a habit of doing this whenever the memory banks lock up and need rebooting. There’s this boot sequence that runs, it is always the same. To him, it seems very profound, I’m sure. It is his “testimony” and must make him feel better.
 
Catholig said:
Zerinus, I doubt that you’ll really give my post any thought simply dismissing it out of hand, . . .
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Far be it from me to dismiss a message from an honest, decent poster, which you appear to be.
. . . however I feel the need to say that your accusation that the Catholic Church is an “apostate religion” is shocking. The whole concept of a “Great Apostatsy” in the first place is shocking - and why? Because the Church cannot perish.
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Catholig
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It is not shocking at all. It can because it has.

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
Far be it from me to dismiss a message from an honest, decent poster, which you appear to be.

It is not shocking at all. It can because it has.

zerinus
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Zenirus,
Does that mean that the rest of us are not honest, decent posters?😊
 
zerinus said:
Far be it from me to dismiss a message from an honest, decent poster, which you appear to be.

It is not shocking at all. It can because it has.

zerinus
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Zerinus, can you explain the great apostasy to us then? How did it happen when, to quote the source provided, which I know you won’t read, “having drawn to himself the Church*, should he let it escape so utterly from him? how should he let go this prize which had cost him so dear?”. Why would Christ found the Church himself, and sanctify it with his own blood, only to let it fall into apostasy? Why would he ordain those apostles, and indirectly those bishops, and priests, only to have them lead his flock to poisoned pastures?

Catholig

*John xxii. 32
 
Catholig said:
Zerinus, can you explain the great apostasy to us then? How did it happen when, to quote the source provided, which I know you won’t read, “having drawn to himself the Church*, should he let it escape so utterly from him? how should he let go this prize which had cost him so dear?”. Why would Christ found the Church himself, and sanctify it with his own blood, only to let it fall into apostasy? Why would he ordain those apostles, and indirectly those bishops, and priests, only to have them lead his flock to poisoned pastures?

Catholig

*John xxii. 32
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That has already been discussed and answered many times, and frankly I am bored to go over that ground all over that again.

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
That has already been discussed and answered many times, and frankly I am bored to go over that ground all over that again.

zerinus
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Yeah, I know, It’s been gone discussed by so many great theological minds throughout history, but “prophets” keep bringing it back so we have to at least pretend that its plausible. I know…silly but still.

Catholig
 
zerinus said:
That has already been discussed and answered many times, and frankly I am bored to go over that ground all over that again.

zerinus
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Zerenius just does not want to get beat up over it again. He knows that his arguments won’t hold water.🙂
 
:confused: My goodness why can’t you just tell everyone where to look so we all will know how to find the information that you have so everyone can read up on about the Apostacy???
 
According to this about.com entry, the “Great Apostasy” is “The time after Christ’s death when the people turned wicked and killed the apostles and disciples, causing the Lord to take the Church, priesthood, and revelation away from the earth”. There is no date for this occurrence provided.

Act 3:19-21 is used erroneously used to illustrate how “The Apostle Peter prophesied that Jesus would restore His Church after the Apostasy”.

lds.about.com/library/glossary/bldefapostasy.htm
 
Allweather said:
I’m sure you’re right about this, IAMLDS. Catholicism looks different in various places around the world. ***The American version of Catholicism, like much of ***the rest of American culture, is white bread and sandwich-sliced cheese food product. We haven’t suffered the persecution that the poor Mexicans have endured over centuries of anti-clerical gov’t behaviors. Those people have had to have bloody knuckle Catholicism. Because of the lack of persecution here in the U.S., we tend to be less devout, and less attuned to the bloody nature of the sacrifice of the Cross.

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Unless you go to a Tridentine Mass, then it’s surely not ‘white bread and cheese wiz’! Everyone should try to go to at least one. I would be curious to see what the missionaries would think of that.
 
zerinus said:
The missionaries are always “in uniform,” during the period of time that they are officially on their mission. That is their fulltime job, during that period of time. They can’t release themselves from it.* They **only ***get released from it when they are officially released at the end of their missions.
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Everyone, pay close attention to those lines above. This implies much…and this type of control lingers throughout Mormon adulthood, with the fear of loss of identity, or being disowned by family members and friends, rejection by the community, etc, always dangling over their heads. Zerinus says, ‘Always in UNIFORM’, interesting point, and would the missionaries 'risk’ *being found *at a Catholic Church for the sake of ‘curiosity’ or in hope of experiencing the ‘truth’ of Catholic worship, or more likely, ‘scouting’, and doing ‘field research’. If they were ‘in uniform’, then they surely didn’t worry about behind ‘seen’ coming from a Catholic Mass. To me, this means they were there for ‘missionary reasearch’…but whatever the reason, I’m glad they went, but surely they didn’t see what was really going on at Mass through their Mormon blinders.
 
artist3189 said:
Unless you go to a Tridentine Mass, then it’s surely not ‘white bread and cheese wiz’! Everyone should try to go to at least one. I would be curious to see what the missionaries would think of that.
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Sorry, I exaggerated in saying that about the white bread.

I’ve never been to a Tridentine Mass. Must go.
 
When my lovely fiance’s eldest son returned from his Mexican Mission last year, he had to get released, as Zerinus said. I remember wondering about this and asking her about it. It came up because he wanted to go on a date with a girl, but couldn’t because he hadn’t been officially released from his mission yet. The release itself was apparently not much of a to-do. I think he had to go see the bishop and get some ceremonial accomplished.
 
artist3189 said:
Everyone, pay close attention to those lines above. This implies much…and this type of control lingers throughout Mormon adulthood, with the fear of loss of identity, or being disowned by family members and friends, rejection by the community, etc, always dangling over their heads. Zerinus says, ‘Always in UNIFORM’, interesting point, and would the missionaries 'risk’ *being found *at a Catholic Church for the sake of ‘curiosity’ or in hope of experiencing the ‘truth’ of Catholic worship, or more likely, ‘scouting’, and doing ‘field research’. If they were ‘in uniform’, then they surely didn’t worry about behind ‘seen’ coming from a Catholic Mass. To me, this means they were there for ‘missionary reasearch’…but whatever the reason, I’m glad they went, but surely they didn’t see what was really going on at Mass through their Mormon blinders.
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Zerinus was not correct in what he wrote. Missionaries can be released and they can request release for personal reasons. No one needs to serve for two years. Missionaries also have personal days where they can be in regular clothes and just goof around on that day.

Since it was probably sunday, the missionaries were wearing their white shirts and dress clothing. Nothing unusual about that and nothing suspicious. And no, they were not scouting out the place. Most likely they wanted to find out more about the catholic faith. Maybe they did it for interestest or maybe they have a catholic investigator. But there is a solution to this problem about why they were there: Just ask them.
 
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