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LatterDayLady
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This is LatterDayLady’s husband. Thanks for all your concerns. We’re fine. Really.
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Tony888
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My experiences are similar. I love the Catholics I’ve known in the real world but not here.
Many here have not learned the virtue of Christian Charity, and seem to carry enormous chips on their shoulders, against non-Catholics.
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LatterDayLady
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Sad, huh? What a lost opportunity to show graciousness.
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PaulDupre
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It’s not a matter of graciousness, it’s a matter of the responsibility to speak out against blasphemy and heresy just as the early church fathers did. Mormonism is a slur against God and His Church. It is the invention of a pair of con-men (Sidney Rigdon and Joseph Smith) who have led many good people away from Jesus to an invention of men.
The OT prophets and the NT apostles were not concerned with being gracious or politically correct. They were concerned with speaking the truth. The truth is that Mormonism is a Satanic invention of the 19th century.
Paul (Formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
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truthsave
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1-- You answering this it means it is already too late, it means you are able to read but not wanting to understand something that could give you a differnt imput.
ALL MORMON CONVERSION IS BASED UPON ON BEING HAPPY WITH MATERIAL LIFE AND MAKE THIS LIFE BE LIKE THE WAY IT IS BUT BETTER IN THE EXALTATION REALM. IT IS NOT A QUESTION OF BEING HAPPY OR NOT. IF YOU ARE HAPPY IT DOESN’T MEAN IT IS GOOD OR TRUE.
if you think you were at Jesus time and he would have asked you to follow him do you thin kyou would have been happy to do it. Read the young and rich man. I don’t understand from where you got the thing that the turth must be easy and pleasent. I know it is a common mistake and all the false doctrine are based on it. On giving power to the ones. Nobody wants really to loose their lives. Remember: “if you want to find your life you will loose it…” Somebody told it.
IF CANNOT SEE THE DIFFERENCE IT MEANS YOU ARE TOO EGO CENTRED SO IT IS GOOD YOU BECOME A MORMON. ACCEPTING THE TRUTH IS ACCEPTING SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DEVASTATING TO OUR CONCEPTION OF INDIVIDUALISM AND LIFE. READ THE NT.
2- YOU THINK LIKE THAT BUT WHEN YOU ARE GOIN G TO BE MORE DEEP IN MORMONISM YOU ARE GOING TO FEEL WORTHED AND YOUR POOR HUSBAND SO UNWORTHED AND YOU WILL DESIRE HE WOULD LIKE SO WORTHED LIKE YOU ARE AND THE OTHER MORMON. YOU ARE GOING TO SEE YOUR HUSBAND DIFFERENTLY.
3- IT IS PERFECTLY ON THE MATTER. IT IS CLEAR THE MECCHANISM. THE MISSIONARY ACTING ON BEING WELL MANNERED AND RESPECTUFUL TO YOU IS JUST THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FACE AND IT SHOWS THAT IT IS EVEN MORE DANGEROUS. IF ALL THE MISSIONARY WOULD BEHAVE LIKE WITH THE 15 YEARS OLD GIRL THEY WOULD BE LESS CREDIBLE. MORMONISM IS ABOUT MAKING PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THEIR OWN FAULS E ANALOGIES.
I think we perfectly understand you. It is you that don’t want to read us.
It is ok somebody has to become mormon anyway.
It doesn’t mean anything you believe or not in Joseph Smith and if you would really study his life is absurd you could beliueve in him. If you don’t believe there is a gravitational force and you jump from the balcony the gravitational force doesn’t care if you believe it exists or not. you will fall. the same thing with the truth. It is not our belief that make something true or not.
I don’t believe you have studied Christianity. I think it just happened to you.
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truthsave
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Yes there are many way of saying things, but Christian Charity is definetely not letting everybody saying whatever they like but also say firmly they are wrong.
Don’t say anything or partecipate at their dialogue wouldmake them also responsable of the worng doctrines.
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting;
for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds. 2John 10:11
So I don’t really understand your way of considering Christian Charity. It is surely not allowing and tollerating adversary’s doctrine that we exerce our Charity.
Do you LDS really read the NT.
And about feelings:
" But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are [j]destroyed. 11 Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, …" Jude 10-11
At least mormon can never say they had just been misleaded in good faith. They have been misleaded because they preferred believing in Joseph Smith then in the NT. They preferred believeing in a new truth for a last dispensation (even though the revelation of a new truth for a last dispensation has been never prophetized but many warning have been made by Christ and His apostols about faulse prophets)
And of course that Joseph Smith had to reveal things contrary to what was already revealed.
And why? Since just read Jude 10-11 again.
I know for you LDS the NT and differents letters don’t make any sense out of mormon doctrines, expecially when they are against mormon doctrine.
In one sentence of St. Paul reporting the baptism of the death (not teaching about it, just reporting that somebody was doing it) you build a basic mormon rite. from 100 other things, not reported by St. Paul, but tought and found in the traditions you just don’t care. What can I say? It is clear that It is absolutely useless.
If you don’t care why Christians should care about mormonism?
A Christian can respect mormonism (since everybody is free) but should not tollerate it when it get too close to his enviroment.
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Marie5890
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Mormonism is deeply heretical.
As former Mormons, LatterDayLady, people like Paul and I and others here will always speak the truth about Mormonism and it’s factual heretical doctrines like the Early Church fathers spoke out on the heresies of their time.
Not once LatterDayLady have you addressed the doctrines we have brought and and demonstrated why they arent heretical. You have never mentioned what you think about the above doctrines we point out (being sealed to another man, and he being sealed to other women). You ignored that entire point like you dont care so I guess you are ok with that. (Personally I always found that the yukkie doctrines when I was LDS)
But I do understand that you are a newbie and probably dont know much of the deeper LDS doctrines. As I said before, you are in the honeymoon stage and I have no idea of how much critical research you have actually done into Mormonism.
You said you were Catholic before but never mentioned how firm you were or were not in the faith. Many Catholics I know are, in all honestly, poorly catechized so I know it’s possible you fall into that spectrum.
I do wish you well. Remember that there are those who have walked in your path.
Enjoy the temple. I understand that the endowment ceremony has been sanitzed by the removal of the “penalties”. When I went thru the temple, I had to do those gestures of the various penalties. Pretty barbaric.
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twopekinguys
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I’m still wondering about this. Any info?
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LatterDayLady
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You guys are too much! 
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twopekinguys
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Has anyone noticed the number of “former” Catholics that come to a Catholic forum?
I think in many cases, they are really wanting to come back home, and aren’t to sure on how to do it.
Think about it. IF they are so happy in their new church, why come to a Catholic board/
There is a famous quote from Shakespeare’s Hamlet. “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
I think in many cases, they are really wanting to come back home, and aren’t to sure on how to do it.
Think about it. IF they are so happy in their new church, why come to a Catholic board/
There is a famous quote from Shakespeare’s Hamlet. “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
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Telstar
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I’m guessing that this is a couple that barely knows, or believes, anything about the depth of the Catholic Faith. They tend to see it as ‘just another Christian religion’, no different than any other. They most likely see Mormonism in the same way. They really have no idea about the deep spiritual differences between the two. They’re simply looking at the shiny surface of those waters that, at a distance, all look alike. Until you really look closer and can actually see beneath those glossy surfaces, you can’t really fathom all that lies beneath them.
Sadly, this is typical of what I’ve seen in many other Catholics these days, especially the ones that have been raised Catholic, but have hardly ever even thought about the devotional or mystical side of it. They go through the motions as if they really believed in it, but in their hearts they can’t really tell that there is much more to being Catholic than just going through the motions of going to Mass every week, or even just twice a year as many of them tend to do. They’re probably just Catholic in name only just like many members of my own family.
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RebeccaJ
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There are many things I like about Mormons, the passive-aggessiveness that is pervasive among Mormon people, is not one of those things.
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Marie5890
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Hopefully an apology has happened. Hopefully the mission president did talk to the parents and apologize as well.
All that said, it’s really not our (a bunch of strangers) business to know if an apology has taken place. That is between the parents, their daughter, the mission president and the missionaries.
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RebeccaJ
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I think they are looking for acceptance, validation, and/or thinking that just by being among the religion they have rejected, their “I found truth and so can you” will rub on to people via some sort of religious osmosis.
Perceptions of non-acceptance, whether that is the correct perception or not, being a form of validation. In other words, they get what they come for, but they aren’t really interested in anything else.
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Marie5890
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It is a curious thing huh?
But I do think you have hit on something. Why waste time here?
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Marie5890
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Very fair and honest observation. And a sad commentary on our culture’s view of the place of God in our lives.I’m guessing that this is a couple that barely knows, or believes, anything about the depth of the Catholic Faith. They tend to see it as ‘just another Christian religion’, no different than any other. They most likely see Mormonism in the same way. They really have no idea about the deep spiritual differences between the two. They’re simply looking at the shiny surface of those waters that, at a distance, all look alike. Until you really look closer and can actually see beneath those glossy surfaces, you can’t really fathom all that lies beneath them.
Sadly, this is typical of what I’ve seen in many other Catholics these days, especially the ones that have been raised Catholic, but have hardly ever even thought about the devotional or mystical side of it. They go through the motions as if they really believed in it, but in their hearts they can’t really tell that there is much more to being Catholic than just going through the motions of going to Mass every week, or even just twice a year as many of them tend to do. They’re probably just Catholic in name only just like many members of my own family.
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Marie5890
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The fostering of the idea of “if I am being persecuted than the church MUST be true” theory that “strengthens their testimony” .
Unfortunately not realizing 1)what real persecution is 2) that many Christians across the world, esp in the Middle East, China et al that arent Mormons are profoundly persecuted.
As a very general statement, and I emphasis general, many Mormons tend to think they are the only sect on the receiving end of persecution. I honestly dont know many Mormons who actually lay down their lives for their faith.
On the other hand, we know how many Christians (non-Mormons) are literally slaughtered for their faith.
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Tony888
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LOL, at the risk of being redundant.
I love most things about Catholics in the real world
I hate the lack of charity shown here by Catholics
It makes me doubt the Holy spirit is with them
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Marie5890
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In all honesty, Tony, if this is really what you think and how you feel, then why come here? Why frequent a place that you feel is devoid of the Spirit?
I honestly dont get that point. Why waste your time? Or perhaps you feel it’s not a waste of time to spend your time with people you feel are devoid of the companionship of the Holy Spirit?
Why not move on?
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twopekinguys
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I have to somewhat disagree with you here.
If it is public enough to talk with a bunch of strangers about a 15 year old being taught by 20 something missionaries, then the parental behavior shouldn’t be out of bounds.
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