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actually there is a lot of recent data that indicates that people today are in fact more likely to change religions on a whim. low convert retention rates for the LDs church show that this problem is especially prevalent for those changing to mormonism.
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it doesn’t apply to me and it may not apply to your friends either. i am merely stating what recent reputable surveys have shown.
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majick275
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no ritual does not equal sacrament in the catholic church. we have both. they mix sometimes but are not the same.
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That would be up to the diocese to do that. They should willingly volunteer to pay for any damage that they had inflicted on the shrine…because that’s what a real man would do.
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J_C
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well i have written on this before. apparently the local mormons do not share your sense of integrity about baptising young people who arrive for reasons other than heartfelt conversion. i have to point out that i know much of the history of this thing and am in a position to know what is true.
in fact this is the main thing that got me irritated in the first place. We Catholics do not accept people jsut because. we make sure as best we can that converts are taught the details of the faith before they can be considered “in communion” with us, that is why we have RCIA and spend upwards of ayear with most new converts teaching them, and giving them a full view of what it means to be a Catholic.
in the case of this girl, she was rushed in in a matter of days, to get baptised, then confirmed two days later, and the next thing i hear out of her mouth is something about tithing. nothing about Jesus, how in love she is with Jesus, nor do I see a Jesus glow on her face, but rather a very distinct type of frown that suggests unhappiness.
This is what got me irritated and interested to learn about this mormo religion, what it is, how it works, why people join it, and most importantly why people leave it. again i repeat i have nothing in particular against the mormon religion, i consider it a separated group not much different from any other that calls itself Christian but has lefthome and is lving life on the road.
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That’s good and I hope she listens to you. It seems that an inordinate number of Mormons who bail out assume that all faiths are the same, or become so burned-out that they become atheists. And I mean raging atheists too, they seem to approach atheism with the same missionary zeal that they once devoted to Mormonism and it is every bit as obnoxious.
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Set prayers… like… the Our Father? Who was it that composed that prayer, again?
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zerinus
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What if they haven’t caused any damage? Should they pay conpensation just to satisfy you? How arrogant can you get.
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in this matter of prayers the mormons appear identical to many fundamentalist protestants, at least as far as I can tell. a rejection of liturgical forms.
most of them, though, actually do have set prayers and other forms that could probably be called liturgical for want of a better word and i would be surprised if mormoans are any different. i have heard hundreds of people pray spontaneously and done so, and do so, myself, and find that all people have a set few things they say over and over again, so that they really do practice a type of repetitive prayer.
even people who speak in tongues repeat the same verbal patterns over and over again. the very idea of spontaneious and original prayer is a mirage, every prayer has already been prayed millions of times. Why not admit it and fall in love with the Catholic liturgy? which is precise, and wonderful?
most of them, though, actually do have set prayers and other forms that could probably be called liturgical for want of a better word and i would be surprised if mormoans are any different. i have heard hundreds of people pray spontaneously and done so, and do so, myself, and find that all people have a set few things they say over and over again, so that they really do practice a type of repetitive prayer.
even people who speak in tongues repeat the same verbal patterns over and over again. the very idea of spontaneious and original prayer is a mirage, every prayer has already been prayed millions of times. Why not admit it and fall in love with the Catholic liturgy? which is precise, and wonderful?
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i think it has been consistently stated IF they caused physical damage they should pay. IF they didn’t then an apology will suffice.What if they haven’t caused any damage? Should they pay conpensation just to satisfy you? How arrogant can you get.
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RC_Matt
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You obviously know nothing about the Rosary; it is a form of contemplative/meditative prayer and simply reciting verbal prayers is not the objective. I’d normally explain this to someone, but I sincerely doubt you care enough for it to be worth my effort.
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zerinus
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We think that the Lord’s Prayer is a blueprint for how we should pray. It is not intended that we should repeat it verbatim.Set prayers… like… the Our Father? Who was it that composed that prayer, again?
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twopekinguys
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Maybe the missionaries that desecrated the shrine should have had a “regular church member” with them.
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twopekinguys
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Let’s see…the caption underneath the picture of the missionary holding the head of the statue implied they had done it. So much so it appears as an admission of guilt.What if they haven’t caused any damage? Should they pay conpensation just to satisfy you? How arrogant can you get.
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The problem is that people here seem to be assuming happily that they did cause physical damage, without it being proven that they did. Their evil motives is thus made obvious.
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Dauphin
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It isn’t necessary for a Catholic to repeat prayers like the Our Father or Hail Mary verbatim, either. It’s simply a lot easier and more unifying, especially when the prayer is of a public nature.
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