Mormon missionaries vandalize and desecrate Catholic Shrine

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majick275 said:
We do NOT sacrifice Jesus. He sacrificed himself. For US!!! this is the heart of catholic liturgy and zerinus disgusting comments on it are no ddifferent than the despicable actions of teh colorado missionaries. his attitude as demonstrated by whyme is all to common among mormons. they think it’s funny and get upset if anyone criticizes them for these antics.
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I would rather go by what the Catechism says than what you say.
Mormons have an extensive liturgy with very extensive set prayers. zrinus doesn’t realize this because he hasn’t been through the temple yet. whyme has.
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You don’t know what you are talking about.

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
Like I said, they just wanted to sacrifice the guy. No big deal! 😃

zerinus
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I find this comment completely offensive and out of line. You should be ashamed of yourself.

As I said before, if this kind of comment had been made on a Mormoron board, the moderators would have shut it down. I guess the Catholics are just a little bit more tolerant.

I’m sure the LDS leadership that has already apologized for this incident would be very proud of your display.
 
majick275 said:
but you didn’t

I have very extensive knowledge of it. since you have not yet received your endowment it is you who don’t know on this subject.
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**I doubt that zerinus is even a Mormon at this point **😉
 
twopekinguys said:
I find this comment completely offensive and out of line. You should be ashamed of yourself.

As I said before, if this kind of comment had been made on a Mormoron board, the moderators would have shut it down. I guess the Catholics are just a little bit more tolerant.

I’m sure the LDS leadership that has already apologized for this incident would be very proud of your display.
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Well, you guys don’t seem to want to let go, so I reckon decapitating the statute to offer it as a sacrifice seems an ideal solution! 😃

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
I think that I did.
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you were shown where you were inaccurate on that by numerous posters/
zerinus said:
You have no knowledge of it, or you are being decitful.

zerinus
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please… I was a veil worker before I left. I know the LDS temple inside and out. it is you who have not been through that and therefore cannot know. it is an extremely scripted liturgy with specific vestments and exacting rubrics.
 
majick275 said:
you were shown where you were inaccurate on that by numerous posters/
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Not true.
please… I was a veil worker before I left. I know the LDS temple inside and out. it is you who have not been through that and therefore cannot know. it is an extremely scripted liturgy with specific vestments and exacting rubrics.
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Still don’t know what you are talking about.

zerinus
 
ABalch said:
To the topic this thread was opened to discuss…

I must state my support of many of the postings from people saying that the most offensive part of this whole event perpatrated by these three young men taking pictures of their acts at this shrine is their disregard for what another faith, my Catholic faith, holds to be sacred; the altar inside the shrine.

I find it very unbelievable that anyone that has the least bit of understanding of religion would not recognize that the best thing to do if you are in a church you don’t belong to, it act in the very best manner you can.

A lot has been said on both sides about whether these young men are guilty or not. This is somehting ultimately that the courst, if they become involved, would decide legally, but I find that with their own self-incrimination at least of the one individual that was captioned in the original posting of these pictures on the internet as having broken the head off, we must say they are at the most generous guilty of something. If they did not in fact break the head off, we have to at least say they are guilty of a very public lie.

I have yet, though, to see any public statement from any of these three saying that the statemtent that one of them broke the head off the statue was untruthful. If, you were accused of doing something you did not, and accused by your own lie, perhaps told you thought in jest, would you not attempt to set the record straight?

Now, as regards the claims of sacrelige when these young men preached fromt the altar, and then pretended to sacrfice one of the men on the altar. I will go as far as to say that while I find it very offensive to me, because I know the significance of an altar in a Catholic church or shrine, I am not going to go as far as to accuse these boys of sacrilege, because I can’t interpret their own hearts. If they knew the significance of the altar, and what it represents, then they were sacrilegious in their behavior around and on that altar. Being that they are Mormon, and possibly never learned a single thing about the Catholic Church (something I strongly doubt would be true, though they may have learned things that aren’t true about the Catholic Church), I will not accuse them of sacrilege. Similar to the prerequisites that something be a mortal sin, I feel that sacrilege requires the full knowledge and cooperatioin with the sacrilegious act. If they had not the knowledge that the altar is a sacred object, set aside for everyday use by its consecration to it use as an altar, and they did not have full cooperation with the act they were doing (unlikely, since they did it, and I don’t see how they could have been coerced into it), then what they did is still gravely offensive, but not, in the cirumstance I described, necessarily sacreligious.

I will ask the same thing a numbe of others have asked. Has anyone seen any statement from the other two missionaries involved in this?

May God’s love shine out through your (and my) actions.
Albert
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Slow down and take a deep breath!
 
zerinus said:
Rubbish.

zerinus
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call it what you wish but you don’t about the details of the mormon temple ordinances and I do. They are very much a liturgy with lengthy and detailed scripts, responses, motions and all of the other things we have discussed. while they are very different I think on e could make a comparison between it and the mass as analogous liturgy.
 
My apologies to Memaw. I read throught the entire thread up to the point where I first responded, so I had a lot to say.

I do tend to ramble a bit from time to time.

Let the love of Our Lord shine in all that you do.
Albert
 
Please get back on track or this thread will be closed.

Thank you and God bless-

Rachel
 
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