Mormon missionaries vandalize and desecrate Catholic Shrine

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You can plainly see that they are in a LDS cultural hall (inside of a mormon church). So, you’re saying a group of anonymous men, all the age and look of missionaries, spent money on the standard missionary outfit, broke into a LDS church, and filmed this? Are you serious? And I can see at least one more tag on a jacket.
I paused it and didn’t see any tags but then again my video was not that clear. I see nothing wrong with having a little fun. Mormon missionaries are not monks. They are young people who are in the process of maturing. And certainly not perfect.
 
I paused it and didn’t see any tags but then again my video was not that clear. I see nothing wrong with having a little fun. Mormon missionaries are not monks. They are young people who are in the process of maturing. And certainly not perfect.
They’re supposed to be representing us. In that regard, it’s in our interests that they behave themselves with a minimum level of decency.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with holding our young men to a reasonable standard of civility and courtesy. Racist lampooning of the ministers of other faiths is hardly palatable.
 
I paused it and didn’t see any tags but then again my video was not that clear. I see nothing wrong with having a little fun. Mormon missionaries are not monks. They are young people who are in the process of maturing. And certainly not perfect.
“A little fun” is, I’m sure, what the missionaries in San Luis, CO thought they were up to, too.

I understand what you are saying whyme, Lord knows I had these sort of idiots as my peers when I was a young mormon, and I wanted nothing to do with them. I think that it has a lot to do with youth, but also these young men believe, absolutely, that they have the Power Of God™ that no one else has. And, missionaries are the bomb in your culture. Doted on and told how wonderful they are at every turn. Some, not all, take it all to heart and are ***holes.

I can just imagine the letters that are flying from SLC to all mission presidents. These sort of things are a huge embarrassment to your church, and that is not something that is tolerated in your culture…no, no. One must never, ever, embarrass “The Brethren”.
 
It’s hardly just you guys.

Here are some LDS missionaries in the Pacific Northwest (USA) lampooning a local African-American protestant minister they disliked.

uk.youtube.com/watch?v=P1UrS0U9dUw
The shot at the end shows that this dreadful display was apparently performed at a mission conference or at least a zone conference. I counted about 30 missionaries in the room.

Disgraceful.

Paul
 
well, i do have a question lamar, or any other mormon on here…

what steps, if any, do you see the mormon church taking to ensure this does not happen again?

ive honestly seen more rationalizing of a wrong deed than actual sincerety and a desire to understand why it was wrong in the first place. at least from whyme and zerinus and the ‘new members’ that have been rather quiet for awhile. if this is the manner in which mormon higher ups will approach the problem, then i for one dont see any improvement coming soon. other than ‘dont post incrimminating evidence on the internet 101’ being taught to missionaries. if thats the case, then why even bother apologizing? continue on in your prideful mockery of our faith.

Mathew 5
11 Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you falsely because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven. Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

missionaries should remember this when trying to lead people away from their faith:
Mathew 5:5
Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the land

Semper Fidelis
Mike
 
well, i do have a question lamar, or any other mormon on here…

what steps, if any, do you see the mormon church taking to ensure this does not happen again?

ive honestly seen more rationalizing of a wrong deed than actual sincerety and a desire to understand why it was wrong in the first place. at least from whyme and zerinus and the ‘new members’ that have been rather quiet for awhile. if this is the manner in which mormon higher ups will approach the problem, then i for one dont see any improvement coming soon. other than ‘dont post incrimminating evidence on the internet 101’ being taught to missionaries. if thats the case, then why even bother apologizing? continue on in your prideful mockery of our faith.

Mathew 5
11 Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you falsely because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven. Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

missionaries should remember this when trying to lead people away from their faith:
Mathew 5:5
Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the land

Semper Fidelis
Mike
As long as people are imperfect such things will always happen. In this case, we have young men letting loose with some ‘fun’. I am sure that they meant no harm in doing what they did. Mormon missionaries tend to be raised to be in the world but not of the world. But in today’s media culture it is very difficult not to be in and of the world at times. Mormon missionaries are representatives of their church but they are also very representative of American youth, at least the american missionaries are.

To solve the problem, the the mission age should be raised for the young men. 19 years old is rather young these days and maturity at that age is hard to find.

I am sure that at the MTC the youtube culture will be discussed. We must remember that a former missionary probably posted the youtube video. Perhaps he is an exmember who just wanted to harm the lds church. Who knows.
 
They’re supposed to be representing us. In that regard, it’s in our interests that they behave themselves with a minimum level of decency.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with holding our young men to a reasonable standard of civility and courtesy. Racist lampooning of the ministers of other faiths is hardly palatable.
I don’t know what was in their hearts. But such are the antics of youngsters these days. Lets face it, many are serving because they think that it is the thing to do. But the ‘boy’ is still inside them.
But like I said, the lds church has 50,000 missionaries serving in the mission field and there is a complete turnover every two years. That is a lot of young men to keep an eye on.
 
“A little fun” is, I’m sure, what the missionaries in San Luis, CO thought they were up to, too.

I understand what you are saying whyme, Lord knows I had these sort of idiots as my peers when I was a young mormon, and I wanted nothing to do with them. I think that it has a lot to do with youth, but also these young men believe, absolutely, that they have the Power Of God™ that no one else has. And, missionaries are the bomb in your culture. Doted on and told how wonderful they are at every turn. Some, not all, take it all to heart and are ***holes.
They are also a part of your culture since you were mormon. I would not call the lds church my church. I would say that mormonism is inside me and so I am a part of mormon culture. But I am also catholic and the catholic church is also a part of my culture and it is also my church. Both churches have smirches near their names. Mainly because their members are human beings.
 
I have been lurking for about 10 days and felt I had to join.

I am not an active member of the LDS (Mormon) church, but I have found this site after I first learned of the incident involving the 3 missionaries desecrating the shrine in Colorado.:eek:
Frankly, my blood boiled when I read about this.:mad:
Being a former missionary myself, I know these three were taught better.

Personally, I have seen some very beautiful buildings and places of worship associated with the Catholic Church, and others, and found them to be quite inspiring.
Some of them were in Italy, and I could never imagine being irreverent at any of those. Maybe I’m fortunate to have good parents who taught me that.

Again, I am saddened that this happened, I hope they are held accountable.
 
whyme has a good point about the youthfulness of these mormon missionarys. theyre’ just kids, they should be allowed some forgiving leeway.

I do however begin think there is something built in to mormonasm on race. I have gotten to know a coup;le of mormons here and they are terribly and vocally racist, it doesn’t take but a word or two to get them ranting aobut blacks and mexicans or for that matter chinese.

but what the heck none of us is p;erfect. While we’re p;ointing fingets at the mormons it migh be worthwhile to do a examination of conscience each to ourselves. I know I sure am not clean.
 
I have gotten to know a coup;le of mormons here and they are terribly and vocally racist, it doesn’t take but a word or two to get them ranting aobut blacks and mexicans or for that matter chinese.
That is odd. :confused: I have been here a lot longer than you have been, and I haven’t noticed any such thing. Can you name some, or give us some links to the relevant posts so we know what you are referring to?

zerinus
 
…but what the heck none of us is p;erfect. While we’re p;ointing fingets at the mormons it migh be worthwhile to do a examination of conscience each to ourselves. I know I sure am not clean.
Thank you. That was my point. Some of the catholics on these mormon threads need to do an examination of conscience. I know that people can get carried away with being ‘unknown’ and ‘unseen’ but still we are human beings relating to other human beings. Much that has been said by some of the catholics would not pass an examination of conscience test. Unfortunately.
 
That is odd. :confused: I have been here a lot longer than you have been, and I haven’t noticed any such thing. Can you name some, or give us some links to the relevant posts so we know what you are referring to?

zerinus
At first, I thought that he or she was referring to mormons that they may have known or been around. I have seen no mormon racism here on these boards.
 
I hold nothing against the LDS Church for the actions done by these individuals.
The hesitancy of the LDS church to discipline these thugs says everything I need to know about how they view the situation.
 
The hesitancy of the LDS church to discipline these thugs says everything I need to know about how they view the situation.
So far as I know the LDS Church has NOT hesitated to discipline the missionaries in question. It appears that no one was aware of what happened for several months, until web photos of the incident were posted. Once the LDS Church was made aware, a spokesperson indicated that the LDS Church WOULD undertake some sort of discipline. The nature of that discipline, of course, is likely to be private–just as a penance given a Roman Catholic would not be a matter of public record. Any civil or criminal charges will of course be on-the-record.

From what I have been able to gather from various sources, the missionaries apparently did NOT actually commit vandalism. The site was already in a state of general disrepair. Of course, they desecrated the site by their outrageous antics, and compounded their offense by photographing their misconduct. Which photographs were later made public on the 'Web. The missionaries involved indulged in some rather immature hijinks, contrary to their own training in the Missionary Training Center, where it is my understanding that all LDS missionaries are briefed on cultural and religious sensitivities. They behaved stupidly. They are paying and will pay a significant price for their mistake.

But of course no one wants to hear any of this. They want to continue to roundly condemn these young men as a way of spewing vitriol about Mormons generally.
 
I read the two articles posted by the op. Apparently I missed something. That is why I asked the question.

Annie
Nothing wrong with your eye sight Annie B, something definately wrong with Zerinius’ attitude.
 
I have been lurking for about 10 days and felt I had to join.

I am not an active member of the LDS (Mormon) church, but I have found this site after I first learned of the incident involving the 3 missionaries desecrating the shrine in Colorado.:eek:
Frankly, my blood boiled when I read about this.:mad:
Being a former missionary myself, I know these three were taught better.

Personally, I have seen some very beautiful buildings and places of worship associated with the Catholic Church, and others, and found them to be quite inspiring.
Some of them were in Italy, and I could never imagine being irreverent at any of those. Maybe I’m fortunate to have good parents who taught me that.

Again, I am saddened that this happened, I hope they are held accountable.
Welcome Xulu, not a bad place to ‘lurk’🙂 As for the “boys” nothing anyone else says or does will matter if they themselves aren’t sorry. (And not just sorry they were caught)
 
That is odd. :confused: I have been here a lot longer than you have been, and I haven’t noticed any such thing. Can you name some, or give us some links to the relevant posts so we know what you are referring to?

zerinus
so sorry, by “here” i did not mean on this forum.

it is my terrible writing. i probably shouldn’t be doing this type of thing. or at least take the time to proof read and make sure I wouldn’t be misunderstood.

no I meant “here” in my local town.
 
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