TY for the link. I personally believe in all bearing responsibility for their own actions. However I don’t know what talks, if any, went on behind closed doors. But so be it.
Thanks for such a great response.
I know, I was pointing out that there were some regional differences. Some seem more laid back, others seem to have a perpetual kidney stone.
People tend to pass through here quite a bit on their way out thereBelieve it or not, I know exactly where Fallon NV is.We used to go to Lake Tahoe a lot on vacations. We’d make side trips around (Virginia City was a cool place in the 1980s, because of a television show called Bonanza) that part of Nevada/California.
Agree with you.
I hope so too. I just bet the LDS Church is none to happy with the three.I am hoping they still at least face some discipline from within the Mormon Church.
I was a bit surprised by the turn of events with the stoppage of the investigation.
I hope better things start happening.
I perceive that this discussion is no longer about what those so-called “elders” did. It is now about the way Mormons like you want to minimize what they did by saying “they are just boys and boys do things like that” or “nobody’s perfect” or “they just made a mistake”, or you want to obfuscate by bringing up the inquisition, the crusades, abusing priests and saying “Catholic history is full of things worse than this”. You are just like all those other Mormons on the Mormon apologetics board who think desecration of a non-Mormon shrine is is just a boyish prank and can’t see how it points to a fundamental sickness within Mormonism.
I agree and have never understood the idea of two wrongs making a right.
Well, if anyone else feels that this desecration was promoted by a natural enmity between the two groups involved, please review your posts and make sure that you are working against that enmity and not promoting it.
The journalist said exactly what I have been saying to some degree about maturity. I agree with him. Now if the mormon haters on this thread can finally give some slack to being human being, I would think that the christian spirit will take hold.
Neither does the mormon church or its members. However, have you been to Ireland? You will see a lot of excessive drinking in Ireland and most are catholic youth. No one is perfect and no one should play the blame game.
Not to mention I-15 which goes through Utah is a major transportation route for meth to the north, and yes it does spill over into the communities in Utah, and Utah is considered to be 80% Mormon by some accounts… so lets get back to the flipping subject, shall we?
LOL, yeah dude, I’ve been to Ireland, many times and for long periods of time; in fact my parents come from there, most of my family is there, and I hold both US and Eire citizenships. I don’t know why you now want to bring ethnicity into the equation, but since you have raised the issue, I guess I’ll respond. Young people in Ireland do not drink any more than young people here drink. Furthermore, my cousins and friends in Ireland are generally much better focused and more level-headed than my contemporaries here. Many Irish, including yours truly, rarely or don’t drink at all. I think a lot of people in my grandparents generation drank a lot, but much of that probably had to do with being less educated, less affluent, and isolated in small agricultural communities where the winters can be long, cold and boring and the village pub(s) provided a respite; albeit a dangerous and habit-forming respite. My parents and uncles/aunts refer to booze as “the creature” (pronounced cray-ter), there’s a reason for that moniker, and we’ve all been raised to leave it alone.
But yet, that is what you keep doing…Blaming everyone else, but those who did this.
I really doubt that you would know what a “mormon hater” really was the way you keep throwing around the term.
Actually they made more than juat “a mistake”.
this is astounding!!! the mormon church claims to call these guys by revelation from God first to ordained elders in their church, then to be called on a mission to a specific place. they are then sent through their temple and given what is claimed to be a divinely revealed endowment of holy power where they make what are considered to be binding covenants with God and yet if they go and choose to use their mission as an opportunity to desecrate a catholic shrine we are supposed to believe that’s okay, no big deal just boys goofing off because catholics in ireland are alcoholics and priests abuse children and everyone who is offended by this is guilty of far worse and they wouldn’t be think this a big deal anyway if they weren’t “mormon-haters”…
