Mormon missionaries vandalize and desecrate Catholic Shrine

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sorryā€¦inside joke. one of the parts of catholic liturgy is when we are told peace be with you and the response is and also with you.

the application here is that what you claim for dauphin also applies to you. the subtext though is a call for peace as we are getting WAY off topic
 
zerinus said:
In that case the Mass must be ā€œagainst the divine law,ā€ because it is a sacriligious act. It sacrifices Christ anew every time you go to Mass, which is a perversion of the biblical doctrine.

zerinus
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Z, you were shown in post #511 that you had misconstrued the word ā€œperpetuateā€ to mean repeating, when it actually means to cause to last indefinitely.

You now know that the CC does not repeat the sacrifice of Jesus at every mass, but rather the daily sacrifice of the mass ā€œcauses to last indefinitelyā€ the once-for-all sacrifice on the cross.

Yet you persist in making this charge after it has been clearly demonstrated to you that the charge is false.

You should be ashamed of yourself and all your fellow Mormons should be ashamed of you.

Paul
 
zerinus said:
Mormonism is a new dispensation of the gospel. It contains additional scripture and further knowledge and revelation from the Lord. We are not dependent on the Bible alone for our doctrine. Looks like you missed that one.

zerinus
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Sure, and I suppose you still believe that native-Americans are still part of the lost tribe of Israel EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO GENETIC LINK TO SEMITISM AMONG THEM WHATSOEVER.

Another Mormon ā€˜revelationā€™ bites the dust.
 
PaulDupre said:
Z, you were shown in post #511 that you had misconstrued the word ā€œperpetuateā€ to mean repeating, when it actually means to cause to last indefinitely.

You now know that the CC does not repeat the sacrifice of Jesus at every mass, but rather the daily sacrifice of the mass ā€œcauses to last indefinitelyā€ the once-for-all sacrifice on the cross.

Yet you persist in making this charge after it has been clearly demonstrated to you that the charge is false.

You should be ashamed of yourself and all your fellow Mormons should be ashamed of you.

Paul
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And you know that this is all nonsense because I have made it clear to the contrary above.

zerinus
 
LaMar said:
Glad we agree that apologetics are simply different sides of the same filthy coin. Given that neither of us finds that worthless currency the going commodity, I really am interested in the phenomenon of a Mormon cloistering herself with Catholic nuns.

No bee-ess, itā€™s pretty interesting. Can you give me some insight into your current situation? You hang out with the FAIR people on the internet, and pray with the sisterhood after hours? Seems like a fascinating synthesis.

I just want to understand it all. What is it about each tradition that fills the gaps of the other?
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I guess I find the mentality of certain antimormons on this forum interesting. One cannot disprove the lds church and one cannot disprove the catholic church. Both have their roots in truth, one from the time of Peter and the other with the great apostacy story and the new restoration. Both are certainly interesting.

With the antimormon ā€˜catholicsā€™ on this section of the forum, it is basically a circle game. They post websites that are antilds and I post the other side of the story. I would think that by now they would have understood that one cannot disprove the lds church. Butā€¦I am afraid that we all have to go around the circle a few more times before the lesson sets in.

I admire the mormons. Those that live the gospel live good clean lives with christ in the center. I have no fault with mormons. I do defend the mormons. On the mormonapologetics site they know about my catholicism but they donā€™t seem to mind. And they also know about my mormon influence.

I am not a zealot but I am just a human being trying to do the right by my fellow human beings. I attend Mass often but I can also hobknob with the lds. I see no conflict. And I have been honest with the lds ward that I have attended. No problem.
 
why_me said:
I donā€™t think that you want me to go there do you? I can have a pretty good comeback if I did.
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Iā€™m still waiting on your comeback as to what reading you did on Easter. Iā€™m still waiting for your comeback on why you referred to yourself as a reader instead of lector.

Can you go there, or would you like to do another detour as you have done in the past.
 
why_me said:
I guess I find the mentality of certain antimormons on this forum interesting. One cannot disprove the lds church and one cannot disprove the catholic church. Both have their roots in truth, one from the time of Peter and the other with the great apostacy story and the new restoration. Both are certainly interesting.

With the antimormon ā€˜catholicsā€™ on this section of the forum, it is basically a circle game. They post websites that are antilds and I post the other side of the story. I would think that by now they would have understood that one cannot disprove the lds church. Butā€¦I am afraid that we all have to go around the circle a few more times before the lesson sets in.

I admire the mormons. Those that live the gospel live good clean lives with christ in the center. I have no fault with mormons. I do defend the mormons. On the mormonapologetics site they know about my catholicism but they donā€™t seem to mind. And they also know about my mormon influence.

I am not a zealot but I am just a human being trying to do the right by my fellow human beings. I attend Mass often but I can also hobknob with the lds. I see no conflict. And I have been honest with the lds ward that I have attended. No problem.
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aaaah the mormon posturing of ā€œI am above all this because I know the fullness of the gospelā€.

well letā€™s deal with these claims:

MANY have disproven the mormon church. It CAN be done.posting ā€œthe other sideā€ is great but if one side is wrong then you CAN disprove it. Catholicism and mormonism cannot both be true. ONE must be Wrong (technically both ā€œcouldā€ be wrong)

They do not both have their roots in truth. the ā€œgreat apostasyā€ is a fabrication. thus there never was a ā€œrestorationā€ either. the mormon position on this is very problematic as they cannot show anything unique to their doctrines or practices that is a restoration of the church in the tie of the apostles.

there is no going around the circle to learn any lesson. truth is truth and one is told by Christ that you canā€™t be a fencesitter. that is something that catholics AND mormons agree on.

on the mopoloagetics site they also emphasize that you canā€™t be both. you are more open there that you are mormon. iā€™m sure they like the fact that you always take the mormon side vs. the catholics there too. (i read your posts)

how can you be a zealot when you wonā€™t commit? you do more than ā€œhobnobā€ with the LDs. you are one. you bear testimony of joseph smith and the BoM. of course they are okay with you at the LDS ward ā€¦they want you to become fully active there. I noticed you didnā€™t say anyhting about your catholic parish being okay with your LDS membership and testimony. kind of makes that profession of faith difficult for you as well as communion.

no man can serve two mastersā€¦ pick one and be honest about it.
 
Hi Why Me,

Thanks very much for a cogent reply.
why_me said:
I am not a zealot but I am just a human being trying to do the right by my fellow human beings. I attend Mass often but I can also hobknob with the lds. I see no conflict. And I have been honest with the lds ward that I have attended. No problem.
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I appreciate that. Iā€™m less interested in the perception of conflict than I am in which aspects of each tradition specifically appeal to you and your situation.

At the same time, I appreciate your apparent need for privacy. I donā€™t want specifics about the order of nuns you hobknob with, or the name of your bishop. Just curious as to which aspects of each tradition you like best and why.

I started a new conversation at the top in case you want to ditch this one. This site also has a very effective ā€œignore userā€ feature which helps cut down on the noise.

Either way I wish you well and respect the fact that you seem to be forging your own path.

LaMar
 
twopekinguys said:
Iā€™m still waiting on your comeback as to what reading you did on Easter. Iā€™m still waiting for your comeback on why you referred to yourself as a reader instead of lector.

Can you go there, or would you like to do another detour as you have done in the past.
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I gave the first reading in the Acts of the Apostles where Peter is talking to Cornelius and his household (Acts 10 ), I think. I signed up for the first reading and so I read. I am not a lector but if the local church (parish) needs someone to read, I read.
 
LaMar said:
Hi Why Me,

Thanks very much for a cogent reply.

I appreciate that. Iā€™m less interested in the perception of conflict than I am in which aspects of each tradition specifically appeal to you and your situation.

At the same time, I appreciate your apparent need for privacy. I donā€™t want specifics about the order of nuns you hobknob with, or the name of your bishop. Just curious as to which aspects of each tradition you like best and why.

I started a new conversation at the top in case you want to ditch this one. This site also has a very effective ā€œignore userā€ feature which helps cut down on the noise.

Either way I wish you well and respect the fact that you seem to be forging your own path.

LaMar
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I think that the mormons got it right about education. The young people are encouraged to study and do well in life. Not to mention the youth and young adult programs that are second to none. However, the catholics who are catholic not just in word, are very devote in worshipping. I like that. I also like the flavor of the catholic church. The sisters are devote and full of charity and the priests that I know always have time and a smile. They are great people too. I attended a Trindentine (singing) Mass and it was beautiful just like the good olā€™ days. We need more of them.

I see no conflict between mormonism and catholicism. If a mormon wishes to become catholic because it brings them closer to god, I say fine and if a catholic wishes to be a mormon because it brings them closer to god, I say fine too. At least they both still believe in god.
 
why_me said:
I see no conflict between mormonism and catholicism. If a mormon wishes to become catholic because it brings them closer to god, I say fine and if a catholic wishes to be a mormon because it brings them closer to god, I say fine too. At least they both still believe in god.
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But then you get into relativism whereby one religion is as good as the other and all religions are equal, and, actually, that is a false premise in itself.
 
why_me said:
I see no conflict between mormonism and catholicism. If a mormon wishes to become catholic because it brings them closer to god, I say fine and if a catholic wishes to be a mormon because it brings them closer to god, I say fine too. At least they both still believe in god.
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No conflict? Are you kidding? We do not believe in the same God? The Mormons are anti-Trinitarian. They believe in three gods united in purpose. Further, the Mormons believe that if they are true to their faith and do good, that when they die they shall become gods. They will be a god over their own planet. The Mormon faith and all valid Christian faiths are intrinsically opposed.
 
LaMar said:
People with psychological problems can often be found pointing out the faults of others. Displacement is the game of a simpleton.
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Would you mind laying off these kind of comments please?

I know that whyme can be a frustrating person to debate (bordering on pointless, I am still waiting for them to post something constructive), but those comments dont really help and are kind of offensive.

Im sorry if you think that I am making a big deal out of it, I just didnt really appreciate it.

Thanks.
 
pjn6444 said:
The Mormon faith and all valid Christian faiths are intrinsically opposed.
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I am with you until here. You made a slip in this one. ā€œValidā€ should have been replaced with ā€œapostate,ā€ so that the sentence should read:
The Mormon faith and all apostate Christian faiths are intrinsically opposed.
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and that would be a true statement.

zerinus
 
Elric said:
Would you mind laying off these kind of comments please?

I know that whyme can be a frustrating person to debate (bordering on pointless, I am still waiting for them to post something constructive), but those comments dont really help and are kind of offensive.

Im sorry if you think that I am making a big deal out of it, I just didnt really appreciate it.

Thanks.
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If you have followed his posts carefully so far, you will know that he is the one who is sufferring from serious psychological problems.

zerinus
 
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