Mormon missionaries vandalize and desecrate Catholic Shrine

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why_me said:
It means that you should apologize to all mormons for your opinions about the lds faith being not christian.
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Why? I have shown that from a Catholic understanding it’s true.Are the LDS going to apologize for stating that our creeds are an abomination in the sight of God? that all of us who profess them are corrupt? should they apologize for their portrayal of sectarian ministers as ignorant hirelings of Satan? what about their claim that all Christianity is apostate with no sacramental grace remaining in Chrsitian churches for 1800 years? you really think they are owed an apology for not being categorized as something they are not?
 
why_me said:
The lds church has apologized. Mormons however are a diverse group of human beings and diversity of thought is the norm. Some will be critical of the missionaries and others will make excuses.
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and so we see which category you are in.
 
LaMar said:
People who are insecure need a scapegoat. The same people who complain about being someone else’s scapegoat are the first to scapegoat others.

You can point this out, but it’s usually too sensitive an issue for the people who do it to recognize. They end up scapegoating you, simply because you pointed it out.

(Hopefully Elric will approve of this message 😃 )

Scapegoating (displacement and/or ego projection) is a primitive reaction and a defense mechanism for people who indulge in it. If you understand this, you become less apt to criticize the people who do it. The self-aware are prone to criticize and have no problem criticizing themselves and the people who belong to their own ingroup.

This is why I think it is important for Mormons to take the lead in criticizing their own when they do something wrong. It’s a means toward a fuller understanding of our own collective outlook.
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You sound like one of those corporate “team-building” indoctrinators…errrr…leaders.

:hypno:
 
Better Goooooogle “Terryl Givens” before you call that an insult. 😉 If all LDS people were like Terryl Givens, there would be very little anti-Mormonism.
 
LaMar said:
People who are insecure need a scapegoat. The same people who complain about being someone else’s scapegoat are the first to scapegoat others.

You can point this out, but it’s usually too sensitive an issue for the people who do it to recognize. They end up scapegoating you, simply because you pointed it out.

(Hopefully Elric will approve of this message 😃 )
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I thought that I felt my ears burning 😊

(paranoia bit): Your not saying that I scapegoat people are you?
Scapegoating (displacement and/or ego projection) is a primitive reaction and a defense mechanism for people who indulge in it. If you understand this, you become less apt to criticize the people who do it. The self-aware are prone to criticize and have no problem criticizing themselves and the people who belong to their own ingroup.
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This is why I think it is important for Mormons to take the lead in criticizing their own when they do something wrong. It’s a means toward a fuller understanding of our own collective outlook.
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You might have to dumb it down a bit for me, Im not really that bright/smart at the moment (or, well, ever).

But I think that sounds about right.
 
Elric said:
I thought that I felt my ears burning 😊

(paranoia bit): Your not saying that I scapegoat people are you?
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Nope. The opposite is true. You were the voice of those better angels of my good conscience earlier, when I got personal with one of my fellow Mormons.

I was hoping to make the point as abstract as possible, in the hopes that nobody would take anything personally, while still trying to make the point.

Scapegoating others = unproductive
Criticizing ourselves = productive

That’s all I was tryin’ to say.
 
LaMar said:
Nope. The opposite is true. You were the voice of those better angels of my good conscience earlier, when I got personal with one of my fellow Mormons.

I was hoping to make the point as abstract as possible, in the hopes that nobody would take anything personally, while still trying to make the point.

Scapegoating others = unproductive
Criticizing ourselves = productive

That’s all I was tryin’ to say.
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Yeah thats fair, sorry about the paranoia bit (wow I have never been called an angel before, thanks for the compliment :)).
 
why_me said:
The lds church has apologized. Mormons however are a diverse group of human beings and diversity of thought is the norm. Some will be critical of the missionaries and others will make excuses.
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So, with the LDS being a “diverse group of human beings”, would that explain why 2 of the 3 haven’t surfaced with an apology? Because they don’t think they did anything wrong? Because in the “diversity” of the Mormon church they learned that behavior was OK?
 
twopekinguys said:
So, with the LDS being a “diverse group of human beings”, would that explain why 2 of the 3 haven’t surfaced with an apology? Because they don’t think they did anything wrong? Because in the “diversity” of the Mormon church they learned that behavior was OK?
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To be fair, I don’t think Mormans have the monopoly on bad behavior. Basicly I think they are very nice people but they do have strange beliefs passed down to them from Joseph Smith and his very vivid imagination. They place more faith in Joseph Smith, no matter what, than they do Jesus Christ.
 
Just an observation…

There should be no need to keep defending a church if it is “the One True Church.”
To keep doing so makes me question their true feelings about it. Because that “One True Church” would be able to withstand anything.
If it truly is, then nothing could tear it down.
 
it is not the church that needs the defending. it us that need to defend it. we are very vulnerable to being torn down. defense of the faith is an opportunity to learn just what we are defending and why. this helps us to strengthen our faith.
 
majick275 said:
it is not the church that needs the defending. it us that need to defend it. we are very vulnerable to being torn down. defense of the faith is an opportunity to learn just what we are defending and why. this helps us to strengthen our faith.
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Good point, one I hadn’t thought of:thumbsup:
 
why_me said:
This is interesting. Yesterday in my daughter’s lds sunday school the teacher was talking about Jesus Christ. In fact, the whole lesson was on Christ and sincerity. And yet, ‘christians’ do not consider mormons christian. But I have always contended that those faiths that judge mormons as ‘not christian’ have sinned against god since only god can make such a claim.
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Dude, you’re obsessed with this and you really have to let this one go. Nobody, except Mormons, consider Mormons Christians. Nobody, except Mormons, will ever consider Mormons Christians. Until fairly recently, Mormons didn’t consider Mormons Christians either. Now that Mormons have decided that Mormons are Christians, they want Christians to consider Mormons Christians. To make Mormons Christians, you’d have to nuke all the Mormon stuff that make Mormons Mormons; and I don’t think that’s gonna happen any time soon.

Seriously, in the broadest and most generic sense, the term refers to faith communities that at least adhere minimally to certain standards of orthodoxy. Mormonism falls outside those parameters, and therefore is not considered a Christian faith by those that do fall within those parameters. DUH! That’s not a criticism by any means, nor is it “anti-Mormon;” it’s simply a matter of semantics and it is what it is. By insisting otherwise, you only frustrate yourself, get everybody else going, and feed this seemingly endless contention.

By the way, there are plenty of Christians, particularly those in the Calvinist traditions (e.g., Baptists), that don’t consider Catholics to be Christians either. Some of them are my friends too. Do you really think I give a rat’s behind how they define the term?
 
People, were Catholics and we forgive. lets not get into bashing others. Pray for them. FORGIVE! I cant belive what im hearing from some of you people. What really should be on our minds is Osama Bin Laden and him saying Catholics and our Good Pope are against Muslims. That is what worries me. But if the Muslims want a war were the last people on Earth you want to mess with
 
I can’t believe this post is still going. It was an act of idiocracy, mormons are definitely not christians and the act doesn’t reflect the nature of the religion (even though they are notorious heretics)

lol
 
xulu said:
Just an observation…

There should be no need to keep defending a church if it is “the One True Church.”
To keep doing so makes me question their true feelings about it. Because that “One True Church” would be able to withstand anything.
If it truly is, then nothing could tear it down.
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Truer words were never spoke!!! The ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC Church HAS withstood everything that has tried to destroy it for over 2,000 years and will continue to do so till the end of time. Christ promised that nothing, not even the “Gates of Hell” could destroy HIS Church, and believe me it has tried. And HE promised that HIS CHURCH would NEVER teach error. SO you can trust the Catholic Church. Jesus gave His Church the power to teach, govern and Sanctify. HE promised the Holy Spirit would be with HIS Church till the end of time!! Nothing can “tear it down.” While other denominations are dividing among themselves about how they understand the Bible, the Catholic Church always has and still does teach the same doctrine that Jesus gave us.
Take off the blinders, study what the Catholic Church REALLY teaches and read the Early Church Fathers and you will see for yourself.
 
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