Mormon missionaries vandalize and desecrate Catholic Shrine

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well the “scorecards” didn’t work so well. back in the old days they commissioned sidney rigdon as “spokesperson” for the church to write a series of doctrinal lessons called “lectures on faith”. these were used in joseph smiths “school of the prophets” to teach the highest leaders. it was so great that they placed in the scriptures (D&C) which was of course approved by a vote from the church. many years later it was finally realized that it directly contradicted other mormon doctrine which was now being “emphasized” more. so it was quietly removed. no vote. to this day the D&C has a refernce to it in the introduction explaining how it wasn’t really scripture but that it is “profitable for instruction”. good luck finding the Lectures on faith being used for instruction in any current LDS teaching manuals.

Then back again in the old but as old days they commissioned orson pratt to write a series of articles in LDS periodicals teaching the “deep doctrines”. this was later collected and published as “the seer”. it was so controversial that BY later asked for it to be taken out of circulation because of its “errors”. he never specified what parts were error. To this day Mormons will use that as reason to disregard the seer, BUT you still see quotes from it in LDS teaching manuals although they credit the periodicals where it first appeared as the source.

then again in that same period they decided that since BY and these other early leaders were in effect creating the doctrine of this new church they decided that their talks given in general conference were really pretty much the same as scripture and should be written down. this resulted in the many volumes of the Journal of discourses. years later many of these teachings were every bit as radical (if not more so ) as(than ) the seer. that relegated this set of works to a very obscure status of extremely limited publication. it is still referenced in LDS teaching manuals but it is not widely distributed and is often avoided by mormons as “opinion”.

of course then there is also the debacle known as Mconkie’s Mormon Doctrine but that at least was never presented as scripture.
 
well the “scorecards” didn’t work so well. back in the old days they commissioned sidney rigdon as “spokesperson” for the church to write a series of doctrinal lessons called “lectures on faith”. these were used in joseph smiths “school of the prophets” to teach the highest leaders. it was so great that they placed in the scriptures (D&C) which was of course approved by a vote from the church. many years later it was finally realized that it directly contradicted other mormon doctrine which was now being “emphasized” more. so it was quietly removed. no vote. to this day the D&C has a refernce to it in the introduction explaining how it wasn’t really scripture but that it is “profitable for instruction”. good luck finding the Lectures on faith being used for instruction in any current LDS teaching manuals.

Then back again in the old but as old days they commissioned orson pratt to write a series of articles in LDS periodicals teaching the “deep doctrines”. this was later collected and published as “the seer”. it was so controversial that BY later asked for it to be taken out of circulation because of its “errors”. he never specified what parts were error. To this day Mormons will use that as reason to disregard the seer, BUT you still see quotes from it in LDS teaching manuals although they credit the periodicals where it first appeared as the source.

then again in that same period they decided that since BY and these other early leaders were in effect creating the doctrine of this new church they decided that their talks given in general conference were really pretty much the same as scripture and should be written down. this resulted in the many volumes of the Journal of discourses. years later many of these teachings were every bit as radical (if not more so ) as(than ) the seer. that relegated this set of works to a very obscure status of extremely limited publication. it is still referenced in LDS teaching manuals but it is not widely distributed and is often avoided by mormons as “opinion”.

of course then there is also the debacle known as Mconkie’s Mormon Doctrine but that at least was never presented as scripture.
And now they have the Maxwell Institute, generator of Mormon apologetics. Nothing they present is scripture but they are supported by the Mormon church. Tomorrow, (about 30 years), their “scholarship” will be relegated to irrelevant.
 
until not to many years ago, they wouldn’t even let blacks in the Morman church and if my memory doesn’t fail me, they still can only go so far up in it.
Actually, they could always join, but could not receive the priesthood until that changed in 1978.

There was an African-Brazilian who was a General Authority in the Church, who passed away a few years ago. Here is a link:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helv%C3%A9cio_Martins
 
until not to many years ago, they wouldn’t even let blacks in the Morman church and if my memory doesn’t fail me, they still can only go so far up in it.
See Rebecca’s post #741, she covered it quite well, and from a perspective of living through it.
 
Yes.

Only the kicker is, what mormons believe to be revelation today, can be construed as opinion tomorrow. That’s how many of the inconsistencies and less savory statements are swept under the rug by mormon apologists.
Actually, it all started a with one man’s, (JS,) imagination so why not let other men have their turn. Who knows what tomorrow will bring.
 
It did get quiet, didn’t it?
Just glad to see that the antagonists who were trying to defend these Three Stooges have found another bone to chew on.
 
It did get quiet, didn’t it?
Just glad to see that the antagonists who were trying to defend these Three Stooges have found another bone to chew on.
They are too busy trying to defend the FLDS.:rolleyes:
 
:eek: In the comments section of the Salt Lake Tribune article,a lot of people are saying “no big deal” and “they didn’t break the law.”

Disgusting.
As a Latter-day Saint (Mormon) I find these type of comments equally as disgusting perhaps even more so. They are not doing anyone of us a favor by trying to justify the unjustifiable. This isn’t just a matter of repairing damaged public relations. Oh no their stupidity has gone far beyond that. Yes I believe that they were missionaries. I have not seen any evidence to the contrary. So the defense that the enemies of the church staged this elaborate smear campaign to me is a little far fetched. As far as I am concerned they should be criminally prosecuted.
 
This incident illustrates the point that Mormon missionaries are just kids, and kids do stupid things. Mormon missionaries should be given no credibility because they are just children parroting what they are told to say. It is like when a JW comes to your door with her 6 year-old child in tow and wants you to listen to the kid testify of his faith in the JWs. It’s ridiculous.

Paul (a former Mormon missionary)
A lot of other words come to mind describing this age but child is not one of them.
 
. Few Roman Catholics similarly guilty of desecration of someone else’s religious artifacts would be likely to suffer such serious consequences from their local parish or diocese. They would simply confess their transgression and be consigned to saying five Hail Mary’s and five Our Fathers and counseled to do whatever the courts might direct in terms of community service.
I am just curious as to your expertise on disciplinary procedures in the Roman Catholic Church in order for you to make such a blanket statement?
 
why me,

I raised four children who are all adults now. None of them ever did anything like that,nor would it ever enter their minds. Mormons are raised with a mocking and derisive attitude towards all things Catholic. It is hardly surprising that Mormon anti-Catholic indoctrination produces such results.

Paul
What ever the reasons behind their behavior it was not as a result of what you mistakenly believe to be the anti-Catholic culture they were raised in. This only mitigates the seriousness of their actions.
 
**This is such an old thread I thought they would have closed it by now. It goes on ad nauseum. **:sleep:
 
Yes, this is defining point of the two religions. Mormons withhold graces that we need and were given to us by God. These graces give us what we need in order to live Christ-like lives. With holding graces from God, when a person needs them the most, is one of the more messed up ideas in Mormonism, IMHO.
 
I suggest you put your post, in the post…the in-the-title NT thing is not understood by most people here, and changing the title of the thread is against forum rules…

At any rate, you are correct, the Mormon church has no graces to withhold. However, what I have never understood, even when I was a Mormon, is how withholding the “privilege” to take your sacrament is helpful to a situation.
 
I suggest you put your post, in the post…the in-the-title No/Text thing is not understood by most people here,and changing the title of the thread is against forum rules…

At any rate,you are correct, the Mormon church has no graces to withhold. However, what I have never understood,even when I was a Mormon, is how withholding the “privilege” to take your sacrament is helpful to a situation.
All better now? I think I am starting to understand your previous statement. Sacrament is part of the graces offered only by the Catholic church so we withhold it by default. Does that summarize your position correctly? We also don’t withhold the privilege to take the sacrament any more then you do so by not allowing a non Catholic to take it.
 
All better now? I think I am starting to understand your previous statement. Sacrament is part of the graces offered only by the Catholic church so we withhold it by default. Does that summarize your position correctly? We also don’t withhold the privilege to take the sacrament any more then you do so by not allowing a non Catholic to take it.
i think you misunderstand. these comments were referring to LDS disciplinary practices. (probation, disfellowhipping, etc.) the contention being that withholding sacraments from a penitent person seems wrong. i have no dog in that hunt but i feel able to “translate” the terms so that at least the conversation can proceed.
 
I think you misunderstand. these comments were referring to LDS disciplinary practices. (probation, disfellowshipping, etc.) the contention being that withholding sacraments from a penitent person seems wrong. I have no dog in that hunt but I feel able to “translate” the terms so that at least the conversation can proceed.
Thanks for the clarification. I have a dog but he won’t be entered into this particular hunt. He’s just to happy go lucky. Besides he’s a dog. 🙂
 
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