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minux said:
My background has nothing to do with your lack of comprehension for Mormon doctrine.
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Of course it doesn’t. Your background shows that you have no understanding of Mormon doctrine. Which has been made clear to those of us who have lived it.
 
Lemuel said:
Of course it doesn’t. Your background shows that you have no understanding of Mormon doctrine. Which has been made clear to those of us who have lived it.
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Living something does not make one an expert. Driving a car does not make you a mechanic.
 
(Deep sigh)

Don’t even know how to respond to someone implying that my/our experience and knowledge is not what it is.

It’s basically invalidating the journey of our lives.

Something very uncharitable about that, in my view
 
Quite simply: Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?
 
minux said:
Quite simply: Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?
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That is what I have been wondering about your posts, to be honest.
 
Minux,

A sincere question. Do you see yourself as an expert on Mormonism? And if so, how do you see yourself as having attained that expertise?

TIA
 
You have been asked to provide some official Mormon Church references to back your claims that the doctrines regarding the nature of God has changed since the 80s. So far, you’ve provided nothing and attempted to reduce this discussion to a middle-school brawl. Why dont you just provide us some references to shut us all down? You made some outlandish claims. We just want to hear the basis of those claims. Not your opinions. Official statements. Us Formons (Former Mormons) have no agenda. We don’t defend their weird beliefs. We just want to hear what you say. To be honest, I would personally be thrilled to know that their doctrines regarding the nature of God are still evolving. We know that Joseph Smith’s views of God drastically changed over time, even though he actually saw the Father and Son and had regular conversations with them. So humor us. Whatcha got?
 
5stars said:
Stephen H. Webb isn’t characterized as an overall orthodox Catholic theologian. Anyone can call himself a theologian, and there are many dissenting theologians in the world. Quoting Webb doesn’t give your argument very much credence from a Catholic perspective.
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I’m not exactly sure the point you want to make. Are you saying that no theological opinion of Stephen Webb is credible? Or are you saying that there are better Catholic theologians when it comes to assessing Joseph Smith’s teachings on grace? In what way is he a dissenting theologian? Thanks in advance.
 
RebeccaJ said:
The problem here is, as always, lack of understanding and pulling a few verses out of the context of the whole of scripture (Bible).
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We’ll have to agree to disagree on this point.
RebeccaJ said:
Jesus fulfills all prophecy, including any possible future prophetic proclamations. By our baptism, we are made priests, prophets, and kings. We are sanctified by and in Jesus.
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Very very interesting!! Thank you for sharing this!
RebeccaJ said:
when we share the truth of Jesus Christ. When we perform acts of charity. When we care for the marginalized.
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all good…
RebeccaJ said:
Again, I ask you, as I have several times. What do you think Jesus left out, wherein, you need to find a so-called prophet to inform you of the information He failed to impart?
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For starters, no where does the Bible state that the word of God has been fully delivered and no more new word of God is needed. Believing that Jesus has more in store for his followers in the future in no way assumes a past failure on His part. But, let’s assume you’re correct in this case and everything God intended for us is found in the Bible. A prophet would be needed to restore Biblical practices and doctrines that the RCC no longer follows, such as:
  1. the church lead by 12 living apostles
  2. praying to the Father only, in the name of the Son only
  3. married bishops
  4. not baptizing infants
  5. rejecting inherited sin
  6. partaking of the body and the blood separately at communion
  7. doctrine of creation ex-materia
  8. God the Father having a body of flesh and bone
  9. baptism by immersion alone
  10. baptism on behalf of the deceased
 
FWIW my four years of seminary was a lesson in scripture chases, studying the Bible through the interpretation of Mormonism It was just a sad thing.
 
Your list is a 19th century invention. Study the Christian faith without your Mormon contaminations. I think it might be a joyful exercise for you to embark on.
 
Yes, that is my understanding of what seminary is/was for those in the Mormon corridor.

For me, at least in the ward I was in in the so-called “mission field” , it was hefty, for a high school student. I had just joined so I only got the New and Old Testament years, as I went off to BYU at the end of high school, so never got the other two years.

Rebecca, I know you taught RCIA, at least you used to. What do the parishes in your area do for the confirmation students? I know that for my parish, I have always thought it was pretty sad. 😦
 
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AngelaMarie said:
Yes, that is my understanding of what seminary is/was for those in the Mormon corridor.

For me, at least in the ward I was in in the so-called “mission field” , it was hefty, for a high school student. I had just joined so I only got the New and Old Testament years, as I went off to BYU at the end of high school, so never got the other two years
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You were also later. I was in high school when the priesthood ban was lifted. My lessons were full of what Mormons now call anti Mormon. That’s one thing I can agree on with today’s Mormons…what I was taught were lies.

Seminary was the weirdest thing ever, only topped by my first few gospel doctrine classes when I turned 18.

Then I stopped attending and was done with all that craziness. Phew!
 
We have an excellent and dedicated childrens RE director. Our parish also has a Catholic school for K-8. The struggle in our parish is the parents who bring their kids to RE, they get get confirmed, and then the parents never bring their kids to Mass again.
 
Come on, you don’t need to be afraid if other religions will share their beliefs. It will not harm or kill your children, at the very least they are receiving news from God. 🙂
 
Completely disagree with this post above. It is 100% right to be a concerned parent, especially with the prospect of aggressive evangelization from the Mormons, whose God is not the
Catholic God.

“The interpretation of Mormon scripture has changed a million and one times since the 1980s.”
That pretty much says it all about Mormonism, doesn’t it?
 
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Daniels123 said:
Come on, you don’t need to be afraid if other religions will share their beliefs. It will not harm or kill your children, at the very least they are receiving news from God. 🙂
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It’s not a matter of being “afraid if other religions will share their beliefs”, it’s a matter of having your children possibly being proselytized to by members of a religion that heavily emphasizes evangelization, and furthermore is not usually interested in being friendly with non-members of the religion unless there’s potential to convert them.

As for “receiving news from God”, the kids are already receiving that in their Catholic home. They don’t need to receive it from the neighbors, especially when the neighbors don’t even believe in the same concept of God (non-Trinitarian).
 
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