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Caffeine was never banned
The WoW uses the term “hot drinks”, which was officially defined decades ago as coffee and tea (non-herbal). Caffeine, like you said, has never been banned. Trust me, chocolate is just as popular with Mormons as it is with other cultures!!! 😃
 
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To nitpick the thesis I stated to the OP with “caffeine is not banned,” when I was specifically referring to coffee is being a troll, especially when that is not even the actual point for discussion. You all are worried about baldness, while gangrene eats off your leg. Prove with Mormon scripture where anything I said is incorrect. You can not. Until any of your counter points are proven with actual Mormon doctrine and not relying on your supportive “history as a Mormon,” we have no ability to actual converse about anything positive.
 
Until any of your counter points are proven with actual Mormon doctrine and not relying on your supportive “history as a Mormon,” we have no ability to actual converse about anything positive.
You haven’t used any Mormon scripture, or quotes from their leadership (Q15) to bolster the points you are trying to make.
You just keep tossing out your misinterpretation and misunderstanding of Mormon doctrines.

You are right, cannot have a more meaningful conversation with you because you cannot back up your claims, either with Mormon scripture, or knowledge of what the Q15 (s) over the decades, have said.
 
That is one of many example where you are wrong in your understanding
Quote the actual Mormon policy that refutes what I stated. Again, you are starring at a Forrest and pointing out a single tree.

You are speaking from pure emotion, which is why we can not converse. Reference one quote from Mormon doctrine that refutes any one item I stated. We can not discuss anything, since we are “relying on your experience as a Mormon” as fact.
 
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Interview Questions for Recommends to Enter a Temple
  1. Do you believe in God, the Eternal Father, in his Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost; and do you have a firm testimony of the restored gospel?
  2. Do you sustain the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the prophet, seer, and revelator; and do you recognize him as the only person on the earth authorized to exercise all priesthood keys?
  3. Do you sustain the other General Authorities and the local authorities of the Church?
  4. Do you live the law of chastity?
  5. Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?
  6. Do you affiliate with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or do you sympathize with the precepts of any such group or individual?
  7. Do you earnestly strive to do your duty in the Church; to attend your sacrament, priesthood, and other meetings; and to obey the rules, laws, and commandments of the gospel?
  8. Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?
  9. Are you a full-tithe payer?
  10. Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?
  11. Have you ever been divorced or are you now separated from your spouse under order of a civil court? If yes, (a) - Are you current in your support payments and other financial obligations for family members, as specified by court order or in other written, binding commitments? (b) Were there any circumstances of transgression in connection
    with your divorce or separation that have not been previously resolved with your bishop?
12. If you have received your temple endowment – (a) Do you keep all the covenants that you made in the temple? (b) Do you wear the authorized garments both day and night?
  1. Has there been any sin or misdeed in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but has not?
  2. Do you consider yourself worthy in every way to enter the temple and participate in temple ordinances?
https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/...hiness_requirements_to_enter_a_Mormon_temple?
 
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We can not discuss anything, since we are “relying on your experience as a Mormon” as fact.
You are relying on what you think Mormonism is. Back up what you are claiming.
I’m not acting out of emotion. I am responding on knowledge.

General Conference talk in 2008 by now President Nelson

 
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African American Ban in the Priesthood - They Can be in the Priesthood Now, too! Thank you, Carl Malone!
(Just a correction here. SWK changed the ban on black in '78. Malone wasn’t in the NBA until '85. You can google either to fact-check. 😉 )
 
(Just a correction here. SWK changed the ban on black in '78. Malone wasn’t in the NBA until '85. You can google either to fact-check. 😉 )
You do realize I was tongue in cheek with my list?
 
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  • Salvation Only Through Male Household - Women Can Enter the Afterlife on their Own!
C. Celestial marriage is essential to exaltation.
  1. I n order to obtain the highest degree in the celestial kingdom, a man and a woman must enter into the new and everlasting covenant of marriage (see D&C 131:2–3).
  2. A marriage must be sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise before the husband and the wife can obtain exaltation (see D&C 132:19).
  3. T hose who are married by the power of God and achieve exaltation will have eternal increase (see D&C 132:19; 131:2–4).
  • Ritual Chanting/Speaking in Tongues - No Longer Done at Temple, Done Until Late 80s
C. Faith in Jesus Christ always produces good fruits.
■ “Because faith is wanting, the fruits are. No
man since the world was had faith without having
something along with it. The ancients quenched
the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword,
women received their dead, etc. By faith the
worlds were made. A man who has none of the
gifts has no faith; and he deceives himself, if he
supposes he has. Faith has been wanting, not only
among the heathen, but in professed Christendom
also, so that tongues, healings, prophecy, and
prophets and apostles, and all the gifts and blessings
have been wanting” (Smith, Teachings, 270).

“Paul says, ‘To one is given the gift of tongues,
to another the gift of prophecy, and to another the
gift of healing;’ and again: ‘Do all prophesy? do all
speak with tongues? do all interpret?’ evidently
showing that all did not possess these several
gifts; but that one received one gift, and another
received another gift—all did not prophesy, all
did not speak in tongues, all did not work miracles;
but all did receive the gift of the Holy Ghost;
sometimes they spake in tongues and prophesied
in the Apostles’ days, and sometimes they did not.
The same is the case with us also in our administrations,
while more frequently there is no manifestation
at all, that is visible to the surrounding
multitude” (Smith, Teachings, 243–44).
  • Kolob - No Longer Preached by Missionaries, but Used to Rope the Narcissistic in by Promising One’s Own Planet Upon Death to be the God of
The real life we’re preparing for is eternal life. Secular knowledge has for us eternal significance. Our conviction is that God, our Heavenly Father, wants us to live the life that He does. We learn both the spiritual things and the secular things “so we may one day create worlds [and] people and govern them” (Henry B. Eyring, quoting Spencer W. Kimball, Ensign, October 2002.)
  • Magic Underwear - Only at Temple
    " Temple garments afford protection. I am sure one could go to [the] extreme in worshiping the cloth of which the garment is made, but one could also go to the other extreme. Though generally I think our protection is a mental, spiritual, moral one, yet I am convinced that there could be, and undoubtedly have been, many cases where there has been, through faith, an actual physical protection. So we must not minimize that possibility." President Kimball
 
  • African American Ban in the Priesthood - They Can be in the Priesthood Now, too! Thank you, Carl Malone!
Elder Hyde remarked, “Put them on the level, and they will rise above me.” I replied, if I raised you to be my equal, and then attempted to oppress you, would you not be indignant and try to rise above me, as did Oliver Cowdery, Peter Whitmer, and many others, who said I was a fallen Prophet,1 and they were capable of leading the people, although I never attempted to oppress them, but had always been lifting them up? Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization.
  • Caffeine - They can drink it! Thank you, Starbucks!
Some of the early Brethren explained what was meant by this phrase. Hyrum Smith, brother of the Prophet, wrote: “And again, ‘hot drinks are not for the body, or belly;’ there are many who wonder what this can mean; whether it refers to tea, or coffee, or not. I say it does refer to tea, and coffee.” (“The Word of Wisdom,” Times and Seasons, 1 June 1842, p. 800.)
  • Women Missionaries - They Can Go, Too!
  • Pants for Women - Wow, Pushing the Envelope!
https://missionary.lds.org/clothing/sister/guidelines?lang=eng

All prove my original point that in the last 10 years, Mormonism changed dramatically. Connect the dots.
 
My personal apologies to 5Star and how I have been part of the hijacking of her thread and question.

God’s blessings to you and your family. It really depends on where you live when it comes to Mormon neighbors.

In what is known as the Mormon corridor (ID, UT, AZ) it’s hard, or has been in the past.
Living in what has been called the “mission field”, Mormon neighbors can be a delight, and often in need of neighbors with similar morals, as they are in the minority.

As long as they are clear as to your faithfulness to your own faith, there shouldn’t be a problem.
 
All prove my original point that in the last 10 years, Mormonism changed dramatically. Connect the dots
You actually missed on every one of them. Every single one. You’re poorly informed.
 
Pants for Women - Wow, Pushing the Envelope
You didn’t say Sister missionaries. You said women. And clothing styles is not a doctrine. It’s a policy. You obviously don’t know the difference.
 
nitpick the thesis I stated to the OP with “caffeine is not banned,” when I was specifically referring to coffee is being a troll,
If you were referring to coffee then you’re wrong again. Coffee was considered against the word of wisdom 40 years ago and it still is today. Nothing has changed.
 
If you were referring to coffee then you’re wrong again. Coffee was considered against the word of wisdom 40 years ago and it still is today. Nothing has changed.
This is where we will never agree. Please read about the Catholic Church’s hierarchy of truth from Vatican II. It will proove most meaningful for you.
 
I dont care if you disagree. I know you’re wrong just like every other former Mormon does.
 
You are arguing trivial points that mean nothing and negate the foundational truths I exposed. Can you see the forrest from the trees?
 
@Minux, @Lemuel, & @AngelaMarie - How about the three of you just stop with this nonsense. If you three want to continue the fruitless discussion take it to PM. Really, does any of it matter to Catholics?
 
Horton, as you will see, I have already repented for my part for hijacking 5Star’s thread. No need to scold 😃
 
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