Mormon President dies at 97

[Martwen]

Here it is again, rien.

Do you see anything that I have said which is a lie??

Was he not a businessman?

Were there other world religious leaders at his funeral?

What were his “people” doing that made him “bring peace to his people”?

Is not Monson the handpicked CEO to be?

Does not BYU actively recruit Fiji and Samoan athletes for BYU?

Does not the mormon church own acres and acres of downtown Las Vegas property?

Does the LDS ‘church’ own a publishing company?

Do they own a hotel chain?

What is “uncalled for”, rien?

Robert

These are all good points. I would also like to know If a mormon can still drink Coke. I know that it has caffeine but it was OKed at one point because the LDS had a stake in Coka-Cola

 

[Annie_B]

These are all good points. I would also like to know If a mormon can still drink Coke. I know that it has caffeine but it was OKed at one point because the LDS had a stake in Coka-Cola

Officially members are not to drink coffe and tea (herbal teas are allowed). President Hinkley said “no caffeine” but it was NOT offical church doctrine/teaching. Caffeine - technically - is ok for Mormons

 

[why_me]

These are all good points. I would also like to know If a mormon can still drink Coke. I know that it has caffeine but it was OKed at one point because the LDS had a stake in Coka-Cola

Not exactly. The caffeine has always be applied to hot drinks, which meant coffee and tea. However, drinking coca-cola is left up to the descretion of the lds member. Some do and some don’t.

It is always best to bring a bottle of 7up or Sprite to a lds party.

 

[Annie_B]

Not exactly. The caffeine has always be applied to hot drinks, which meant coffee and tea. However, drinking coca-cola is left up to the descretion of the lds member. Some do and some don’t.

It is always best to bring a bottle of 7up or Sprite to a lds party.

Good point about Sprite/7 UP:thumbsup:

Technically, though, it is not the caffine in the coffee and tea that is not allowed. Decaffeinated (sp?) coffe and tea are not allowed either. Unless, of course, it is herbal tea
Annie

 

[why_me]

Good point about Sprite/7 UP:thumbsup:

Technically, though, it is not the caffine in the coffee and tea that is not allowed. Decaffeinated (sp?) coffe and tea are not allowed either. Unless, of course, it is herbal tea
Annie

I am not so sure about decafe. I have been to a mormon party where the lds host served non-alcoholic wine and some lds drank the non-alcoholic wine. The old adage from the 1970’s that I remember so well: Avoid the very appearance of evil may not apply so forcefully anymore.

So no decafe for you? I haven’t drank decafe either. I haven’t drank a cup of coffee since I was just a youngin. I hated the taste and that was it for me. One cup (sip) and no more.

 

[Annie_B]

I am not so sure about decafe. I have been to a mormon party where the lds host served non-alcoholic wine and some lds drank the non-alcoholic wine. The old adage from the 1970’s that I remember so well: Avoid the very appearance of evil may not apply so forcefully anymore.

So no decafe for you? I haven’t drank decafe either. I haven’t drank a cup of coffee since I was just a youngin. I hated the taste and that was it for me. One cup (sip) and no more.

I was always told that coffee is coffe and tea is tea - regular or decaf…I do believe that the Church teaching means no coffe or tea - period…I have known LDS who have taken the Word of Wisdom from D&C literally - not taking into account later revelation. They drink COLD coffee and tea…I am pretty sure that is not accpeted as a “loophole” to the rule…I am just grateful that WE are not the judge of others and that that is left up to Heavenly Father. Ultimately we all have free will:thumbsup:

Annie

 

[majick275]

this has caused confusion over the years for many. you can read early LDS accounts where hot soup and hot cocoa were discouraged. my parents wouldn’t allow us to drink coke but we could have hot herbal teas. we could also have dr. pepper and my grandmother would drink Sanka every day. It tended to depend on the bishop if temple recommends were at stake otherwise it depended on who you were around. (what we used to call “congregational doctrine”) my dad sometimes drank o’doull’s or other non-alcoholic beers. my mom would sometimes heat wine up to cook out the alcohol and then refrigerate it to make her own non-alcoholic wine. my challenge growing up in Texas was not being able to drink iced tea which was often times the only available beverage outside of LDS churches

 

[PaulDupre]

The WoW statement about hot drinks came from the popular medical notions of the time. The book Colon Hygiene: Comprising New and Important Facts Concerning the Physiology of the Colon, by John Harvey Kellogg (of Corn Flakes and The Road to Wellville fame) stated in 1915:

Hot Food and Drinks

The practice of eating food as hot as it can be swallowed, and especially of taking hot drinks at meals, is unquestionably a very active cause of constipation…

Priessnitz, the sagacious peasant doctor of water cure fame, noted the unwholesome effects of hot foods more than a century ago (1815, well before the WoW). By experiments upon pigs he demonstrated that hot food produced an unhealthy state in the intestine. He according recommended that his patients take their food at the natural temperature of the air, and the thousands coming from every part of the civilized world who annually ate at his table in the little village of Graeffenburg, hidden among the forests of Austrian Silesia, testified to his success in the treatment of chronic constipation and numerous other ills which were at that time acknowleged as incurable even by the best physicians.

Hot foods and drinks produce a sensation of comfort in the stomach directly after they are swallowed. In certain forms of indigestion this effect is particularly noticable. In these cases, however, temporary comfort is obtained only at the expense of the later serious disadvantages of the constipating effects of such a diet.

• Colon Hygiene: Comprising New and Important Facts Concerning the Physiology of the Colon, by John Harvey Kellogg, pp 97-98

This kind of “health science” was all the rage during the early-middle 19th century (as it is today) and rode the coat tails of the then-powerful temperance movement. Emma Smith was a firm believer in it. LDS church history acknowleges that Emma Smith was the impetus behind the Word of Wisdom. I believe that D&C 89 was Joseph’s “payment” to Emma in exchange for what later became D&C 132 (revelation on polygamy).

The LDS have tried to justify the “hot drinks” proscription ever since.

Paul

 

[Annie_B]

The WoW statement about hot drinks came from the popular medical notions of the time. The book Colon Hygiene: Comprising New and Important Facts Concerning the Physiology of the Colon, by John Harvey Kellogg (of Corn Flakes and The Road to Wellville fame) stated in 1915:

This kind of “health science” was all the rage during the early-middle 19th century (as it is today) and rode the coat tails of the then-powerful temperance movement. Emma Smith was a firm believer in it. LDS church history acknowleges that Emma Smith was the impetus behind the Word of Wisdom. I believe that D&C 89 was Joseph’s “payment” to Emma in exchange for what later became D&C 132 (revelation on polygamy).

HOWEVER it came about, I believe that God had more than a little to do with it…Heavenly Father knows us and uses us in a variety of ways to bless others. If we influence a church teaching(as you are stating Emma Smith did), who is to say that is/was not a part of the plan in the first place? We do not influence God; He influences us.
Annie

The LDS have tried to justify the “hot drinks” proscription ever since.

Paul