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hosemonkey
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“Only the worthy are allowed in.”
And only the mentally defective STAY in.
Boy, Zerinus, you have posted some doozies, but that one takes the cake.
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And only the mentally defective STAY in.
Boy, Zerinus, you have posted some doozies, but that one takes the cake.
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Allweather
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That’s OK. Since idiot is a psychiatric type of term, and since I don’t fit that definition, I assume any use of it with reference to me, or anyone else capable of using a keyboard, to be hyperbolic.
You’re missing something. You suggested I look at 26 “problems” related to Trinity. I said I would when I got the chance, but offered an advance reminder that I’m not a theologian, so don’t expect anything significant from me. The reason I gave that reminder is because Trinity, perhaps more than most theological notions, can get real deep, real fast. I’m not capable of any theological insight. I believe what the Catholic Church teaches about Trinity, and about everything else. I appreciate and admire modern hobby theologians, like yourself, who fancy themselves capable of innovative and exciting thought with regard to Trinity and other deep theological ideas. And I do so admire you. But I can’t keep up with you. I’ll just plod along here, attaching myself to the teachings of Mother Church. That way, I’ll avoid becoming a heretic by means of my inferior mind.
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Allweather
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Well, then, you are ill-informed.
You think that’s why the missionaries don’t come to my house anymore? Or is it because I use hard words like “apologetics?”
However, I notice YOU spend an inordinate amount of time on me considering how unworthy a candidate I am. I’m flattered.
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zerinus
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I don’t think so.
No idea; you should ask them.
I eat and drink with sinners, like Jesus did!
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c659smith
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Sacred Scripture, Sacred teaching, and Sacred traditions, is what makes a Christian not just biblical. Why I do not believe all of Gods teachings could be wrapped up in a book. Our understanding is of the Trinity comes from Sacred teachings.
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God
For he sent his son the eternal word who enlightens all mankind The word made flesh, in the holy spirit and thus become sharers in the divine nature.
eph 1-9
eph2:18
there are many more biblical reference to the Trinity.
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God
For he sent his son the eternal word who enlightens all mankind The word made flesh, in the holy spirit and thus become sharers in the divine nature.
eph 1-9
eph2:18
there are many more biblical reference to the Trinity.
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Allweather
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Oh, yes you are. Nya, Nya, Nya, Nya, Nya.
Give 'em a call and tell 'em I’ll be home today at 1600 hrs MST.
I eat and drink with sinners, like Jesus did!
Well, I am indeed a sinner, among the very worst of them. Thank you for being so generous with your valuable missionary time. I hope I’m not keeping you from more useful errands, like ironing your white shirt, or checking the air in your bike tires…
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c659smith
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- Jesus conceived through God’s spirit in the womb of the Virgin Mary. Father,Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Do you have a spirit? Does it need to eat,drink,sleep? is it mortal?
Jesus as a man the word made flesh was subject to the father.
- Their is only one spirit of God THE WILL OF THE FATHER (GRACE GIVEN)
- “I can do this”, Have you ever said this, if so who were you talking to? The son as God prayed to the father. God can do whatever he likes.
In all this remember you are considering God to be Mortal. God is the word and the word is with God. Jesus is the eternal word made flesh returned to the father and to return once again as is promised in the new covenant.
Mormons – Will not recognize the past two thousand years and beyond but will reject the word of God to whom Jesus being God is the word for one alleged prophet.
What about the prophets and Saints before this prophet of the Mormons? Was Issaiah wrong? Was King David wrong?
I pray for all to come to the one true Church “the One Holy Catholic, and Apostolic Church” Truth
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Allweather
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Did you read the article from The Catholic Encyclopedia to which I linked you?
I’m too old to wriggle. If you could see my emaciated frame, you’d know that is true. But I notice that you are not responding to the article, which has a whole bunch of Scriptural citations supporting Trinity, as well as a sturdy discussion of the development of the doctrine by the theologians who count.
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Chris-WA
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hosemonkey
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c659smith
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for the mormons out there why are you the true church?
why did it take so many years for your church to form after the prophets?
why did it take so many years for your church to form after the prophets?
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zerinus
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We don’t compare ourselves with Islam or with any other religion for that matter. But our leaders are wise enough, intelligent enough, and inspired enough to know that mainiaining good relations with other religions, and treating them with respect, is important—unlike the Pope who went to Germany and made that gaff, and called Mohammed a terrorist, and then had to go the Turkey and pray in the mosque and grovel before the mufti out there to mend fences and repair the damage.
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zerinus
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I will give you a tip. Don’t get hung up about theology. True theology is derived from the Bible. It must be biblical. If it is not, it is not theology, and it is not Christianity. I am not a theologian—only insofar as I know my Bible. I will stand up to any theologian because I know my Bible—not because I have read theological textbooks. That is the basis on which I discuss religion, and that is where my theology is derived form. There is only one major difference between us. We have a lot more of the word of God than you do. We know something that you don’t. That is what makes a knowledgeable Mormon a better theologian than non-Mormon.
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zerinus
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I hadn’t read that article. I don’t have the patience or the time to read lengthy articles. Now that you mentioned it, I went back and had a sedond look, but still haven’t read it. My attention span is limited. I can’t read long articles. If you wanted to summarise it for me and tell me the gist of it, I may comment. But to respond to that article I would have to write another article twice as long; and I don’t have the time or patience to do either.
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Jean_Marie_1
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Which means you capitulate, and you recognize that 2,000(!) years of tradition is just WAY too much to argue against!
LOL!
I laugh at you!
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zerinus
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You missed my point. Our Church is easy to join for those who deem themselves worthy of it to join, unlike the Jews at Antioch who “judged themselves unworthy of everlasting life” (Acts 13:46—see Acts 13:14-48). Our Church is easy to join for those who are worthy of it because our criteria for membership is based on the testimony of the Holy Ghost, as it was in the early church; not on theological knowledge based on theological books, as it is in the dead churches of today. Remember the story of the Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch? Here is the main part of the story:
Acts 8:
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
That is the criterion we apply for baptizing converts. No RCIA, no great theological lessons, just the pure testimony of the Holy Ghost.
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zerinus
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We will baptize someone as soon as they gain the witness of the Spirit that the Church is true, and express a desire to be baptized; see my previous post. The only addition to that is that we explain to them the requirements of baptism, which is repentance of their sins; and the main covenants they enter into when they join the Church—i.e. the importance of reminding worthy, regular church attendance, paying tithing, observing the word of wisdom and the commandments that God has given etc., which doesn’t require an awful lot of teaching.
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zerinus
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Because it was established by God and not by man in the latter days.
Why shouldn’t it have?
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Allweather
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I’m not asking you to respond to the article about Trinity. You linked me over to what apparently is an Islamic set of theological “problems” with Trinity that supposedly destroys the doctrine. You also have stated that Trinity is not a Biblical doctrine. The article presents Trinity both Biblically and extra-Biblically, as the “central doctrine of the Christian religion.”
I know what you mean about long articles, and that is a long one, but you’re intelligent and should be able to read it in around 15 minutes. Three or four reads, with cross reference checking, might take another hour or two. Given your love for theology, you should find such an expenditure of time enjoyable. If nothing else, the article might help you to understand Trinity from the Christian perspective, and dispel these odd notions that you have about it being “non-Biblical.”
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