Mormon Question

[lorathon]

I have a question about Mormonism.

From what I have learned a Mormon couple when married is “sealed” for eternity. My question goes with this belief.

If one spouse dies in a Mormon marriage can the living spouse get married again? If so doesn’t this become polygamy since they were sealed for eternity and even though one is dead they are still married?

Just curious.

 

[truthsilence]

I have a question about Mormonism.

From what I have learned a Mormon couple when married is “sealed” for eternity. My question goes with this belief.

If one spouse dies in a Mormon marriage can the living spouse get married again? If so doesn’t this become polygamy since they were sealed for eternity and even though one is dead they are still married?

Just curious.

Yes. Any living spouse can get married again after the death of their spouse. However in the case of a woman, she is free to marry again, but in order for her to be “sealed” to a new spouse, (an eternal marriage) she would need to acquire a “temple divorce”, thus cancelling the first “sealing”.

On the other hand, if a man’s wife dies, he can remarry and be sealed again, to another wife with no cancellation of the first sealing. I don’t believe there is any limit on how many wives a man can be sealed to.

I was told by a Stake President, that if I remained true and faithful to the LDS church and my husband did not go along with it, I would be given a “worthy spouse” in the hereafter so that I could make it to the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom. Seemed like I might be sharing that worthy spouse with other women in the same predicament. Can’t believe I stayed member for 15 years after that information was given to me!

ts

 

[Phil12123]

I have a question about Mormonism.

From what I have learned a Mormon couple when married is “sealed” for eternity. My question goes with this belief.

If one spouse dies in a Mormon marriage can the living spouse get married again? If so doesn’t this become polygamy since they were sealed for eternity and even though one is dead they are still married?

Just curious.

I’ve never been a Mormon, so this is just a guess, but from my understanding of Mormonism, there is no problem with the living spouse remarrying, particularly if it is the husband who remarries. And he can also get “sealed” for eternity with his second wife. The more wives the merrier in eternity because that helps his “exaltation” to godhood. In fact, Section 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants, requires plural marriage to reach godhood. Check it out. Or better yet, just look below and don’t defile your mind by looking at lds.org

scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/132/20#20

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[Phil12123]

I was told by a Stake President, that if I remained true and faithful to the LDS church and my husband did not go along with it, I would be given a “worthy spouse” in the hereafter so that I could make it to the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom. Seemed like I might be sharing that worthy spouse with other women in the same predicament. Can’t believe I stayed member for 15 years after that information was given to me!

And the “highest level of the Celestial Kingdom” for male Mormons is godhood, right? Female Mormons get to be married to a god and be perpetually pregnant, giving birth to millions of spirit babies who then come to another earth to inhabit bodies and then pray to your god-husband as their “Heavenly Father.” Right?

 

[truthsilence]

And the “highest level of the Celestial Kingdom” for male Mormons is godhood, right? Female Mormons get to be married to a god and be perpetually pregnant, giving birth to millions of spirit babies who then come to another earth to inhabit bodies and then pray to your god-husband as their “Heavenly Father.” Right?

Well, I’ve never heard it said quite like that in LDS terminology, but from what I understand, worthy men and women can become gods and goddesses and have “eternal increase”. (Meaning they will be able to have more children in the hereafter).

Inheriting worlds of our own, and populating them. Thats how I understood it from the inside, in LDS terminolgy. And yes, you hear it on a pretty regular basis.

Even Heavenly Father progresses, and receives more glory through his children’s progression to godhood. I’ve never heard anything about women praying to their god-husband.

Hope this helps. Mormons, please correct me if I have mistated.

ts

 

[majick275]

That concept is an interpretation of the Mormon Temple endowment. In that ceremony men are sealed to become kings and priests to God (Elohim) and women are sealed to become queens and priestesses to their husbands. So the thinking is that Elohim increases in glory as a king of kings and god of gods. men increase by becoming kings and gods. women are rewarded by becoming part of the harem of exalted men.

 

[truthsilence]

That concept is an interpretation of the Mormon Temple endowment. In that ceremony men are sealed to become kings and priests to God (Elohim) and women are sealed to become queens and priestesses to their husbands. So the thinking is that Elohim increases in glory as a king of kings and god of gods. men increase by becoming kings and gods. women are rewarded by becoming part of the harem of exalted men.

Thank’s for the elaboration, majick.

 

[Phil12123]

I’ve never heard anything about women praying to their god-husband.

**No, you misunderstood me. Not the women praying, but the children of that celestial marriage praying. **

Female Mormons get to be married to a god and be perpetually pregnant, giving birth to millions of spirit babies who then come to another earth to inhabit bodies and then pray to your god-husband as their "Heavenly Father."

Your spirit children who went to an earth to inhabit bodies would pray to your god-husband as their “Heavenly Father.” Right?

 

[truthsilence]

**No, you misunderstood me. Not the women praying, but the children of that celestial marriage praying. **

Your spirit children who went to an earth to inhabit bodies would pray to your god-husband as their “Heavenly Father.” Right?

Oh! I understand what you meant now. My mistake. Sorry about that!

Well, I was always taught that Heavenly Father (Jesus’ Father) would be the only God anyone would ever pray to. It’s nice they’ve picked one, what with all the many Heavenly Father’s there are out there.

 

[Phil12123]

Well, I was always taught that Heavenly Father (Jesus’ Father) would be the only God anyone would ever pray to. It’s nice they’ve picked one, what with all the many Heavenly Father’s there are out there.

**Jesus’ Father, “Heavenly Father,” I think, is supposed to be the only God anyone on this earth would ever pray to, but when faithful male Mormons obtain their “exaltation” and become gods, I think they get their own earth to populate with their own spirit children produced by their celestial marriages. So they have a different earth with their children down there praying to the exalted Mormon/god who begot them.

BTW, because male Mormons are taught that they are presently “gods in embryo” there is little if any emphasis on their being sinners in need of a Savior to save them from their sin. That biblical teaching is largely absent, so anyone trying to reach a Mormon with the true Gospel has a lot of false doctrine to overcome first, unlike the case of the average nonbeliever who just doesn’t want anything to do with God. Because of all that false-doctrine baggage, I always love to hear how and why a Mormon finally sees and accepts the truth, which is truly a miracle. Perhaps you could share your story of how that happened.**

 

[filiae]

Question: If a celestial marriage produces spirit children who are to pray to the god who begot them, and this world prays to ‘Heavenly Father’ as God, who was ‘Heavenly Father’s’ wife? And how can that be?
Or do I completely misunderstand?

 

[Chris-WA]

Question: If a celestial marriage produces spirit children who are to pray to the god who begot them, and this world prays to ‘Heavenly Father’ as God, who was ‘Heavenly Father’s’ wife? And how can that be?
Or do I completely misunderstand?

Mormons do believe that God the Father is married to one or more wives, but that is as specific as they get. Who “she” or “they” are has not been formally taught. There is an LDS hymn that mentions a “mother” in heaven. I suppose Mormons would simply say that this information has not been revealed yet.

Mormons don’t expend much thought on this topic. They simply accept it and move on. The logical conclusions of this belief are particularly troublesome, however, and are part of the most bizarre teachings in all of Mormonism. If what they say is correct, then Heavenly Father is not the all-powerful God of the universe and creator of all. Instead of being creator of the universe, God is part of the universe, and is only one member of some celestial race of beings. This is why most of Christianity can safely say that Mormons do not worship the same God as we do. Our God has no beginning or end, is the creator of all that is seen and unseen, and exists apart from creation. Their God was once a man on some other world who progressed to godhood, had himself a god above him, was eternally married to one or more women, and simply “organized” pre-existing eternal matter to create the earth. The two concepts are literally worlds apart and define two very different ideas of God.

 

[MelanieAnne]

My question is where does Jesus fit in with all of this? The Mormons acknowledge Jesus as a God, “one in purpose” with Heavenly Father, but they don’t pray to Him. They do acknowledge the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross (and they add the Garden of Gethsemene) but still, they do not pray to Jesus.

So, in the Mormon scheme of things, is crucifixion & sacrifice what Jesus has to do to get His own world? And if not, how does Jesus get to move up to “Heavenly Father” status and get His own world? On the other hand, if crucifixion & sacrifice are part of becoming a God, do the Mormons of this world, when they progress, expect to be under Jesus or under the current Heavenly Father or someone else ~ some other member of the Mormon Pantheon of Gods? And do they, as they progress to Gods, have to be crucified and/or sacrificed?

Gosh, I thought that the trinity was tough, but I was wrong! Mormon theology, if examined in detail, raises way more question!

 

[sanblasboy13]

My question is where does Jesus fit in with all of this? The Mormons acknowledge Jesus as a God, “one in purpose” with Heavenly Father, but they don’t pray to Him. They do acknowledge the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross (and they add the Garden of Gethsemene) but still, they do not pray to Jesus.

He is considered a brother. being the first spirit brother. And i guess Lucifer is also his brother. Jesus is a lesser god.

 

[MelanieAnne]

He is considered a brother. being the first spirit brother. And i guess Lucifer is also his brother. Jesus is a lesser god.

Great! So, under the Mormon scenario, how does Jesus get His own world? What does he have to do to be “head God” of his own world? Was being crucified here part of his “progression” to being a top tier God? Is that what Mormon men progressing to Godhood have to look forward to?

 

[sanblasboy13]

Great! So, under the Mormon scenario, how does Jesus get His own world? What does he have to do to be “head God” of his own world? Was being crucified here part of his “progression” to being a top tier God? Is that what Mormon men progressing to Godhood have to look forward to?

Yes, I believe so actually. Men need here to live, like they like to say “righteous” lives and get sealed in the Temples and some other jimbo,lol. I’ll get back to you about that. I’m still a little shaky on that.

 

[sanblasboy13]

Great! So, under the Mormon scenario, how does Jesus get His own world? What does he have to do to be “head God” of his own world? Was being crucified here part of his “progression” to being a top tier God? Is that what Mormon men progressing to Godhood have to look forward to?

Hmm i think i sent my response wrong…o well,lol. Yes I believe Jesus in able to attain full Godhood and his own planet needed to go through that. Men while on Earth need to get sealed in the temple and live righteous lives here. Then they get their own planet. I’m still not sure I answered yer question.

 

[MelanieAnne]

Hmm i think i sent my response wrong…o well,lol. Yes I believe Jesus in able to attain full Godhood and his own planet needed to go through that. Men while on Earth need to get sealed in the temple and live righteous lives here. Then they get their own planet. I’m still not sure I answered yer question.

I’m still waiting to hear how Jesus gets his own planet where He gets to be head God. Then, I suppose, when we find out that, we might have some clue as to what Mormon men progressing to Godhood might have to do.

It would seem, at the very least, that Jesus being crucified here wasn’t enough for Him to be worshiped here, at least not by Mormons. For them, He is just acknowledged as a “lesser” God and and “elder brother”. So that is apparently not enough to be “God of this World” which would tend to indicate if He is going to be God of any world, it would have to be God of another world.

Although it seems to me that I heard once that Jesus was the creator of THIS world and was, in fact the “Jehovah” of the Old Testament, which would indicate He IS the God of this world! Hmm. It’s all very confusing!

Guess I’ll stick with being a Catholic! Mormon theology, when you get into it, is just too confusing!

 

[Allweather]

Honestly, I don’t think Jesus actually plays all that big a role in Mormon worship.

A couple of nights ago I was browsing around You Tube. I found a video clip of the TV talk host Glenn Beck giving his Mormon testimony. Here is a link to the video:

youtube.com/watch?v=wKtAPT9KEfM

I listened to almost the entire clip, right up to the point where he said that soon after he got Mormon baptized he got a better media job, and that this proved that “someone is watching out for him” or words to that effect. What was notably absent from Beck’s testimony, as near as I could tell, was the name of Jesus. At that point I turned it off, disgusted. I’ve never been a fan of Glenn Beck. Now I know why.

Also, I’ve been to Mormon church a handful of times. At those times, there just isn’t much Jesus being talked about. It is all about Heavenly Father, Joseph Smith, Rev Hinckley, Book of Mormon, etc. About the closest they come to actually saying “Jesus” is mentioning the “Atonement of Christ” and that is rare.

I strongly believe that this is significant. I believe that a Church of Jesus Christ should be talking about Jesus Christ from the beginning to the end. That’s one thing I love about the Catholic Church, and the Mass… it is all Jesus, all the time.

 

[truthsilence]

Guess I’ll stick with being a Catholic! Mormon theology, when you get into it, is just too confusing!

Amen, MelanieAnne.

I believe that a Church of Jesus Christ should be talking about Jesus Christ from the beginning to the end. That’s one thing I love about the Catholic Church, and the Mass… it is all Jesus, all the time.

And Amen, Allweather!

Thanks be to God…