Mormon Temple in Rome, happening today

[RebeccaJ]

In what way are they anti-Catholic? Is this a personal opinion or can you report on how the current leadership has acted in an anti-Catholic manner. I heard that the LDS Church assisted financially in the rehab of the SLC Cathedral and often they work jointly together to serve local needs of the poor. The Cathedral of the Madeleine is located just a few blocks east of Temple Square. Surprisingly, the LDS leadership was in attendance at the 100 year anniversary of the cathedral. Given that this beautiful cathedral is just a few blocks from the central most important Mormon temple, it is odd that Mormons don’t complain or taunt Catholics about being on “their” home turf. The Rome temple is not even close; Holly even taunts that Mormons for doing the same thing Catholics have already done.

Again, every time we complain about others we find that we ourselves have already done the same thing we complain about. Why not just stop the complaining and petty accusations?

why me, is that you?

 

[flyonthewall]

Do you live in Utah? Are you being discriminated against for your religion?

Who labeled someone “pedophiles?”

It is not just my perception, flyonthewall, as there are two of us here saying it is true.

Here we go…tell me it never happened.

Maybe someone *should *write a book about being Catholic in Utah.

I do live in Utah, but I have not always lived here. I know what it is like to be in the minority of belief, and to be near a church that actively tried to tear my belief down.

The One Trinity labeled us as pedophiles on another thread…and was scolded by another catholic poster for making such a comment. If T.O.T. lives in Utah and behaves much like he/she has here, no wonder he/she has not had any good interactions while in Utah.

I am not saying you have not had any bad interactoins with LDS while in Utah. What I take issue with is blanket statements like "Anyway, the one thing you will never hear a Utah Mormon say is “sorry.”. I know many LDS here in Utah that would apologize in a heart beat if they thought they made anybody, not just non-LDS, feel unwelcome or uncomfortable.

There are many people here in Utah that are out to “tweak” the nose of the establishment and are against anything LDS. With that kind of attitude comes a huge chip on ones shoulder, and will usually not be able to see anything good about anything.
Not saying that is the case with you or T.O.T, but I have seen it.

 

[flyonthewall]

Honestly, I’m surprised they didn’t do this a long long time ago! The Mormons are very anti-Catholic as they should be considering the level of sheer Heresy they have sunken to. It honestly don’t surprise me that they don’t build their “temple” directly across from Peter’s Basilica if anyone would ever allow that! :banghead:

I, too would like to know how you feel LDS are “anti-catholic”. Being in disagreement is not being anti anything.
The LDS church has worked hand in hand with the Catholic church on many occasions. I know the LDS church has helped many other religions build their meeting houses, right here in Utah and the Catholic church has been on the receiving end of that help too.
To say we are anti-Catholic deserves some proof.

 

[lax16]

We really must move on from this caliber of conversation; painting with such broad brush strokes in absolute statements. Not every Mormon insults others; to say so is preposterous if not deceiptful. No all Catholics are raving lunatics or close minded. On both sides of the issue are faults and strengths.

Each of you needs to step back and re-read your comments with an objective eye so that you understand how outlandish they are and how uncharitable. They demonstrate nothing of the Spirit of Christ or of words befitting a follower of Jesus.

I agree that healthy, ecumenical discussion can certainly disagree, but it is never uncharitable or deceiptful.

JeanMichel - The point of the conversation is that living in Utah as a Catholic, or as a non-Mormon isn’t easy.
Who said that every mormon insults others? It seems to me you are making some pretty wide strokes with your brush.
Catholics are close minded lunatics??!! That’s news to me.

I have re-read my comments. I stand by what I said. Utah is a tough place to live for non-Mormons (or from what I have been told, former Mormons as well).

The worst thing that people do here in Utah is to tell you that a) what you say happened never did or b) if something happened to you it was somehow your fault.
And, no, for the most part, people here don’t say sorry (like when they almost cause a car accident and avoid eye contact, a wave of “sorry” would do much better), or when your house is vandalized and the parents say of their kids who did it “boys will be boys”…
I can go on, but I won’t since it is off topic.

I refuse to accept your comment that people who discuss the problems they are having are being uncharitable. Not loving one’s neighbor as thyself if the real problem.

I do realize that this is not the thread for this - a book will cover the topic much better. I like your idea for a chapter Rebecca!

 

[lax16]

I do live in Utah, but I have not always lived here. I know what it is like to be in the minority of belief, and to be near a church that actively tried to tear my belief down.

Then you should understand how hard it can be to be a minority.

The One Trinity labeled us as pedophiles on another thread…and was scolded by another catholic poster for making such a comment. If T.O.T. lives in Utah and behaves much like he/she has here, no wonder he/she has not had any good interactions while in Utah.

Is it possible that something bad has happened to The One Trinity? How about a little compassion until we know the details?
You see, you said it… if something bad happens to someone it is because they deserve it. THAT DRIVES ME CRAZY!!! I have heard that so many times since living here and I have never ever heard it before.
How about a zero tolerance for dissing one’s neighbor because Jesus said so? How about turning the other cheek and not condoning revenge?

I am not saying you have not had any bad interactoins with LDS while in Utah. What I take issue with is blanket statements like "Anyway, the one thing you will never hear a Utah Mormon say is “sorry.”. I know many LDS here in Utah that would apologize in a heart beat if they thought they made anybody, not just non-LDS, feel unwelcome or uncomfortable.

I have had numerous issues and believe me, we are a nice conservative family who mind our own business. We don’t push anything in other people’s faces.
I have had to defend my faith against the strangest misconceptions and we (and many other people that I know) have had to deal with vandalism.
When we were the victim of another act of vandalism at our house by our neighbor kids I was told by an LDS neighbor that it is LDS kids just “fooling around” and not to take it personally.
Huh? Acts of repeated vandalism are not to be taken personally? By the neighbor’s own admittance he said it was LDS kids who like to fool around after mutuals (whatever that is).
No apologies, just told not to take it personally.

Would you and your friends apologize in a heartbeat if you knew that the people were devout Catholics and had no intention of becoming LDS?

There are many people here in Utah that are out to “tweak” the nose of the establishment and are against anything LDS. With that kind of attitude comes a huge chip on ones shoulder, and will usually not be able to see anything good about anything.
Not saying that is the case with you or T.O.T, but I have seen it.

Yes, I have noticed that. There is a large “anti” culture here in Utah. We are not that. But we are devout and we do stand up for our beliefs if necessary.

 

[lax16]

In what way are they anti-Catholic? Is this a personal opinion or can you report on how the current leadership has acted in an anti-Catholic manner. I heard that the LDS Church assisted financially in the rehab of the SLC Cathedral and often they work jointly together to serve local needs of the poor. The Cathedral of the Madeleine is located just a few blocks east of Temple Square. Surprisingly, the LDS leadership was in attendance at the 100 year anniversary of the cathedral. Given that this beautiful cathedral is just a few blocks from the central most important Mormon temple, it is odd that Mormons don’t complain or taunt Catholics about being on “their” home turf. The Rome temple is not even close; Holly even taunts that Mormons for doing the same thing Catholics have already done.

I noticed that you mentioned that the **current **leadership of the LDS church is not anti-Catholic. I hope that is true - but that is not your church’s history with the Catholic Church.
Home turf? This is the United States of America and Mormons think Utah is their own theocractic state! There were Catholics in Utah from the beginning and a cathedral is where the bishop resides and presides over the Catholic community.
Should the Catholics of Utah be told that they are unable to house their bishop because it is too close to temple square?
There is also a large Presbytyrian Church one block over. And let’s not forget the mason temple not too far down the road.
Please provide your source showing that the LDS church donated financially to the Cathedral.

Again, every time we complain about others we find that we ourselves have already done the same thing we complain about. Why not just stop the complaining and petty accusations?

I think people should have a place to discuss their problems. Since this is a forum for different religions to come together, I think this is the perfect place. Catholics in Utah can talk about issues that are concerning to them and the LDS posters can help them understand what is going on. Unless of course, we are told to stop complaining.

 

[lax16]

Just to bring this back on topic - we as Catholics do not send tens of thousands of missionaries out into the world telling people that your church is wrong and apostate.

That is why our cathedral can stand close to temple square in SLC - we are not there to try and steal people away from the LDS religion or send missionaries out in front of temple square trying to engage them in a conversation about the Catholic Church.

I can bet anyone a dollar that there will be some sort of a shuttle/cab service to take people from the Vatican over to the new LDS temple. Like they do from the Salt Lake airport. If you have a little bit of time, they will gladly bring you over. Why? Because it is all about trying to bring in new converts.

Come visit our Cathedral in downtown Salt Lake City. No missionary will meet you at the door. You are free to look in and admire (or not) the artwork. You will not be greeted by a missionary from a foreign land trying to engage you in conversation about your beautiful family.

You are free to come and go in our churches and cathedrals and you will not be approached by young women, old men, or anyone else who is trying to convert you. And that is why there is a difference between the LDS temple being built in Rome and the Cathedral of the Madeleine in Salt Lake City. Mormon missionaries will be trying to convert those in the area and hoping to capitalize on the thousands of tourists who come to Rome to see the beautiful history of the Catholic Church that has existed, without interruption, for 2,000 years.

 

[KathleenGee]

The very architecture of the Roman LDS Temple will communicate its idea of itself and how it relates to Italy and its history. The modus operandi will speak for itself.

Mormonism is a denial of documented history…both of the Jewish people, and the universal faith given us by the Apostles.

The universal Catholic faith is not corrupt. All human beings deal with their own corruption and demons.

 

[The_One_Trinity]

I, too would like to know how you feel LDS are “anti-catholic”. Being in disagreement is not being anti anything.
The LDS church has worked hand in hand with the Catholic church on many occasions. I know the LDS church has helped many other religions build their meeting houses, right here in Utah and the Catholic church has been on the receiving end of that help too.
To say we are anti-Catholic deserves some proof.

Okay. If you want proof, then you also need to show proof that your not anti-catholic friend?

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Thanks to all who participated/
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