Mormon temples compared to Catholic Basilicas and Cathedrals

[zaffiroborant]

If you can’t defend your faith with reason, dramatic hyperventilating is another option.

You know the more I think about it the more offensive it becomes, that’s a serious accusation, that people here are out to destroy individuals.

 

[RebeccaJ]

But for some reason…I get the feeling that you were.

I confess, I once was hippie, for about a week, when I was 8 years old. Then a friend convinced me to be a Navajo and we painted our faces with those mini lipsticks from a gum ball machine. That lasted until the summer, when she went home and then I was back to being the totally unhip and friendless, me. Because who wants to be friends with a hippie-Navajo-Mormon white girl?

 

[dianaiad]

Oh come on, people here are out to destroy individual Mormons. Are you clutching your hands to your chest or throwing you arm over your head while fanning yourself.

Stating fact is not being dramatic. …and my claim was that your aim is to destroy Mormonism and Mormons. You attack the beliefs of the church, and you go after Mormons who post here with everything in your arsenal. That’s what your purpose is.

That’s what your purpose is here, when you discuss Mormonism. That’s the whole point…to disparage, defame and, er, detract Mormonism.

I don’t remember a thread on this forum that discusses Mormonism, or Mormons, in any positive way. A few of you try…but even with them it’s more like being 'damned with faint praise."

No mention of the way Catholics and Mormons work together, frequently, in areas where natural disasters have taken place. Very little mention of how Mormons and Catholics frequently work together locally in helping others.

Nothing like that.

The fact is, ladies and gentlemen, that some of you (not all, but a very vocal group) simply cannot let Mormonism go. You are here, you stay here, and you’ve BEEN here for many years…and spend a great deal of time focused on how much you hate Mormonism.

Stephen, you have posted on no other topic since July 3…
Zaffirobaorant, your last 150 or so posts, (also to late June of this year) consisted primarily of posts about Mormonism, with exceptions for a game and one discussion of gays and beards…about ten or so posts.
Jerusha, bless you: your last 200 or so posts show more variety…though a good half of them are about Mormons and Mormonism.
LivingWaters…of your last 200 posts, around 150 were about Mormonism.
TwoPekingGuys…of YOUR last 200 posts, all but 30 were about Mormons and Mormonism.

I cannot, of course, criticize you for this, because, well, of my last six thousand posts, I doubt that more than fifty or so (if that) are about anything but Mormonism.

Here’s the difference, though. I’m a Mormon. I make no bones about why I’m here: to defend my faith against inaccuracy. I’m not pretending to be anything I’m not, or pretending to be doing anything I’m not.

You aren’t. You are, most of you, Catholics posting on a Catholic forum, and you are, almost exclusively, focused on Mormonism.

So…why are you objecting to my noticing your presence and your purpose? Does it make you uncomfortable for me to actually notice that you are so laser focused on the topic?

Now me…well…

Here’s the thing. I have a LOT more time on my hands now than I used to have. I’m no longer teaching (not allowed to be in large groups anymore, especially large groups of kids with germs and all). So…I write a lot.

I moderate another debate forum…and it is a religious one. Oddly enough, I don’t write about Mormonism all the time over there. Far from it. I don’t write about any OTHER specific religious belief system, either, in case you are wondering.

Perhaps, if you visited some of the other very good sub-forums on this site? There are some wonderful ones, actually. Shoot, it might even be a good idea to visit topics other than Mormonism on the ‘non-Catholic religions’ forum.

you don’t like Mormonism and Mormons. I get that. Do try to own it and not get insulted when I actually see that, and say that. Especially when it’s so easy to illustrate. All I had to do is count the posts.

 

[LivingWaters7]

As I stated earlier, we see this poster cannot address the actual topic of the thread.

Stating fact is not being dramatic. …and my claim was that your aim is to destroy Mormonism and Mormons. You attack the beliefs of the church, and you go after Mormons who post here with everything in your arsenal. That’s what your purpose is.

No, it is not a “fact” (and we have already seen relatively recently in this very thread that your statements about “facts” related to non-LDS posting here are anything but).

That’s what your purpose is here, when you discuss Mormonism. That’s the whole point…to disparage, defame and, er, detract Mormonism.

I think it’s quite obvious that as believing Catholics, we believe that Catholicism is the true faith, with the fulness of the Truth. Mormonism (among other religions) is therefore not the true faith from our perspective, and we discuss and debate reasons as to why it isn’t. Those that post frequently on the LDS-related threads do so for various reasons, whether it’s general interest or some personal connection (whether as a former member or having family that are/were members). There is nothing wrong with that (if you look at threads related to Eastern Orthodoxy, Judaism, Evangelicalism, etc, you will see the same phenomenon, of the same “cast” of people posting, because they are connected to that faith somehow). As well, I can go over to Mormon Dialogue and Discussion Board, or LDS.net (i.e. Mormon forums), and you will see the exact same phenomenon: when the topic of Catholicism comes up, or Evangelicalism, you will see the same Mormon posters posting in those topics, because of whatever personal connection they have (whether as former Catholics, former Evangelicals, etc).

But no, at least for me, I don’t seek to “destroy” Mormonism, let alone individual Mormons. Discussing and debating what I see are errors related to Mormonism is not the same as seeking to “destroy” it.

I don’t remember a thread on this forum that discusses Mormonism, or Mormons, in any positive way. A few of you try…but even with them it’s more like being 'damned with faint praise."

No mention of the way Catholics and Mormons work together, frequently, in areas where natural disasters have taken place. Very little mention of how Mormons and Catholics frequently work together locally in helping others.

Probably because, as you yourself stated, this is a Catholic debate forum, and is set up to debate. Funny, that.

Also, Catholicism works with people of many churches and religions during natural disasters and in local causes. Mormonism is merely one of many.

As well, I have always stated things that i admire/“envy” about Mormonism. Indeed, when you decided to bring up a post of mine from my blog in another thread, perhaps you noticed a post that discussed things that I admire about Mormonism.

But don’t let that get in the way of a good rant.

Nothing like that.

The fact is, ladies and gentlemen, that some of you (not all, but a very vocal group) simply cannot let Mormonism go. You are here, you stay here, and you’ve BEEN here for many years…and spend a great deal of time focused on how much you hate Mormonism.

See above. And your choice of words is always amusing. No, at least for me, I don’t “hate” Mormonism. I obviously don’t think it is the truth, and point out those errors that I see (and I usually try to be quite neutral in tone, and not go off on rants). But again, that is different from “hate”.

Stephen, you have posted on no other topic since July 3…
Zaffirobaorant, your last 150 or so posts, (also to late June of this year) consisted primarily of posts about Mormonism, with exceptions for a game and one discussion of gays and beards…about ten or so posts.
Jerusha, bless you: your last 200 or so posts show more variety…though a good half of them are about Mormons and Mormonism.
LivingWaters…of your last 200 posts, around 150 were about Mormonism.
TwoPekingGuys…of YOUR last 200 posts, all but 30 were about Mormons and Mormonism.

That is funny. And is there something…wrong with that? You seem to think so, with no logical reason.

And if you care to go back further in my posting history, you’ll see that I actually started on this forum as a firmly believing, endowed Latter-day Saint (Elders Quorum President), defending the faith.

I cannot, of course, criticize you for this, because, well, of my last six thousand posts, I doubt that more than fifty or so (if that) are about anything but Mormonism.

Here’s the difference, though. I’m a Mormon. I make no bones about why I’m here: to defend my faith against inaccuracy. I’m not pretending to be anything I’m not, or pretending to be doing anything I’m not.

You aren’t. You are, most of you, Catholics posting on a Catholic forum, and you are, almost exclusively, focused on Mormonism.

Let us be clear here: we are Catholics posting on the Non-Catholic Religions section of a Catholic forum. We focus on Mormonism for the reasons I already gave. That may upset you, but your attempt at ridicule fails.

So…why are you objecting to my noticing your presence and your purpose? Does it make you uncomfortable for me to actually notice that you are so laser focused on the topic?

I see that we must be specific when debating with you, because you seem to have a tendency of twisting what people are saying. The objection is in your characterization of our purpose. No, we don’t seek to “destroy” Mormonism and Mormons (the latter is especially offensive). And once again, when we say what we really mean, you tell us, no, this is what you really believe. It is tiring.

 

[LivingWaters7]

I moderate another debate forum…and it is a religious one. Oddly enough, I don’t write about Mormonism all the time over there. Far from it. I don’t write about any OTHER specific religious belief system, either, in case you are wondering.

That’s you. I visit and post on two Mormon forums. Many do the same thing you are accusing Catholics of.

Perhaps, if you visited some of the other very good sub-forums on this site? There are some wonderful ones, actually. Shoot, it might even be a good idea to visit topics other than Mormonism on the ‘non-Catholic religions’ forum.

So now you’re trying to send us away from the topic we’re interested in debating here. One wonders why.

you don’t like Mormonism and Mormons. I get that. Do try to own it and not get insulted when I actually see that, and say that. Especially when it’s so easy to illustrate. All I had to do is count the posts.

Incorrect. What is insulting is your word usage, and specifically stating that we are out to “destroy” Mormonism and Mormons. You did not illustrate any such thing (and counting posts does not demonstrate that). We will not “own” your false statements about our intents and views. I must say, it is very tiring reading the things you invent about us (whether it’s about whether a purported “hotel lobby” look points to falsity of worship, something you could not demonstrate, or that we’re out to destroy Mormonism).