Mormon Worldview

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To bring this back to the original topic:

I gather that the members of the LDS faith believe that it is okay to lie for God when trying to bring someone into their church (milk before meat).

Does this affect their worldview (or behavior) when dealing on non-religious issues with non-LDS people?
 
I’m interested in whether or not it affects how they approach the world outside of LDS and how they think we approach them (since we all tend to judge others based on our own behavior).
 
Since they, in essence, believe in theocracy, their definition of what is justified in furthering their religious goals is very broad. For example, in many LDS communities, Mormon Democrats are regarded as heretics and potential apostates. So, yes, “lying for the lord” can become a broadly based principle. I mean, once you start practicing it, it becomes a habit. Joseph Smith as case-in-point.
 
Those that I read…the concern was that Christianity had it wrong all these thousands of years until Joseph Smith corrected everything. So out of charity…just like baptisms of the dead in their temples, they gave people ‘milk before the meat’. So a person being prosletyzed into the Mormon religion would see it very similar to Christianity. Then after the person received Mormon initiation through their rite, the person would then find out that their beliefs are very different from Christianity. The Mormon religion did not want to shock people about the real truth of their belief…

But because of the internet, there are those within Mormonism are seeing that it does no purpose, milk before the meat, as people are finding out their real beliefs any way no matter what Mormons say.

They know their beliefs are shocking. They try to reveal them slowly to candidates…they are in alot of change right now.
 
To bring this back to the original topic:

I gather that the members of the LDS faith believe that it is okay to lie for God when trying to bring someone into their church (milk before meat).

Does this affect their worldview (or behavior) when dealing on non-religious issues with non-LDS people?
It’s been my experience that Mormons won’t outright lie about their teachings, but concerning milk before meat, they will dance around the issue.

I don’t like canned apologetic responses and so when proselytizers approach me with their spiel I like to be prepared to ask them about the issues they likely won’t divulge themselves. I’ve been visited by four sets of LDS missionaries and in each instance I’ve invited them in to chat. They’ve been very polite, but quickly put off by my questions about Heavenly Mother, the United Order, and other things not usually brought up during such discussions. Concerning Heavenly Mother specifically, I’ve yet to get a straightforward answer. I know for a fact that they have a teaching about her thanks to the omniscience of the internet, and while no missionary has come right out and said “No, we don’t believe in Heavenly Mother”, I’ve gotten “Well, that’s pretty difficult to discuss unless you have a good grounding in the basic teachings of the church” to which I’ve responded “OK, give me the basics and then tell me how Heavenly Mother is incorporated into that.” Each time they’ve politely excused themselves.

That’s one thing I really appreciate about Catholic proselytizers. So far I’ve gotten direct answers to any question I’ve tossed their way, and if they can’t answer, they seem humble enough to just leave it at “I don’t know. Good question”. This poor priest up the street I constantly pester with questions, but he’s taken it with stride and a chuckle.
 
It’s been my experience that Mormons won’t outright lie about their teachings, but concerning milk before meat, they will dance around the issue.

I don’t like canned apologetic responses and so when proselytizers approach me with their spiel I like to be prepared to ask them about the issues they likely won’t divulge themselves. I’ve been visited by four sets of LDS missionaries and in each instance I’ve invited them in to chat. They’ve been very polite, but quickly put off by my questions about Heavenly Mother, the United Order, and other things not usually brought up during such discussions. Concerning Heavenly Mother specifically, I’ve yet to get a straightforward answer. I know for a fact that they have a teaching about her thanks to the omniscience of the internet, and while no missionary has come right out and said “No, we don’t believe in Heavenly Mother”, I’ve gotten “Well, that’s pretty difficult to discuss unless you have a good grounding in the basic teachings of the church” to which I’ve responded “OK, give me the basics and then tell me how Heavenly Mother is incorporated into that.” Each time they’ve politely excused themselves.

That’s one thing I really appreciate about Catholic proselytizers. So far I’ve gotten direct answers to any question I’ve tossed their way, and if they can’t answer, they seem humble enough to just leave it at “I don’t know. Good question”. This poor priest up the street I constantly pester with questions, but he’s taken it with stride and a chuckle.
Some LDS believe in a goddess mother, others don’t, others aren’t sure and aren’t sure how to answer, really, when asked about this Mormon belief. Those that do believe in this goddess may just say what their belief is, without blinking, others will have a concern that this belief will prevent the person asking the question from accepting Mormonism, ie, a stumblimg block to belief that Mormonsim is The True Church. So they may try to steer the conversation to what they think you should have asked, or, they may just drop it.

From the view of the person asking…seems there is no straightforward answer to be had.
 
Some LDS believe in a goddess mother, others don’t, others aren’t sure and aren’t sure how to answer, really, when asked about this Mormon belief. Those that do believe in this goddess may just say what their belief is, without blinking, others will have a concern that this belief will prevent the person asking the question from accepting Mormonism, ie, a stumblimg block to belief that Mormonsim is The True Church. So they may try to steer the conversation to what they think you should have asked, or, they may just drop it.

From the view of the person asking…seems there is no straightforward answer to be had.
Now this doesn’t make much sense to me. Heavenly Mother is mentioned in a variety of early Mormon literature, penned by prominent leaders in the faith who were said to have prophetic powers, and today there even exist LDS hymns giving honorable mention to her! Furthermore, I think one could logically deduce the belief given other Mormon beliefs (and perhaps my understanding of Mormon theology is wrong, which then I’d really like it if someone could cut to the chase and correct me with straightforward answers):

Mormonism teaches:
  • that men must be married to be exalted,
  • that God is an exalted man,
  • that God underwent all the same “ordinances” as men of today.
How is it possible to believe all three without concluding that Heavenly Father is also married to a Heavenly Mother?
 
Now this doesn’t make much sense to me. Heavenly Mother is mentioned in a variety of early Mormon literature, penned by prominent leaders in the faith who were said to have prophetic powers, and today there even exist LDS hymns giving honorable mention to her! Furthermore, I think one could logically deduce the belief given other Mormon beliefs (and perhaps my understanding of Mormon theology is wrong, which then I’d really like it if someone could cut to the chase and correct me with straightforward answers):

Mormonism teaches:
  • that men must be married to be exalted,
  • that God is an exalted man,
  • that God underwent all the same “ordinances” as men of today.
How is it possible to believe all three without concluding that Heavenly Father is also married to a Heavenly Mother?
The Mormons I know only say, Heaveny Mother is not doctrinal, but makes sense in the same way you have laid it out. I run into more Mormons that use the “not doctrine” argument, which to them means, doesn’t have to be believed but they are ok with others believing. 🤷

It seems to me a form of denial, but Mormonism has all kinds of that double-think sort of thing going on. They compartmentalize, A can be believed and B can be believed but A and B can’t be believed together, so, just don’t put them together and don’t worry about it! …and dodge any questions that come up from others.
 
Mormon teachings are so self-contradictory that each LDS structures them differently in order to reduce cognitive dissonance. Thus we have McMullen and Parker telling us different things. However, they are not lying. They are just telling us what they individually believe. Do I need to post the “splinters” picture again?
 
Since they, in essence, believe in theocracy, their definition of what is justified in furthering their religious goals is very broad. For example, in many LDS communities, Mormon Democrats are regarded as heretics and potential apostates. So, yes, “lying for the lord” can become a broadly based principle. I mean, once you start practicing it, it becomes a habit. Joseph Smith as case-in-point.
LDS believe in a two party system and our leaders from Brigham Young to modern prophets have declared this and encourage members to participate in the party of their chioce. However, the Church will take a stand on some moral issues such as the definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman. We believe the writers of the U. S. Constituion were inspired of God.

We believe that some day Jesus Christ will return to the earth and then there will be a theocracy with Jesus Christ the King. Don’t you believe this?
 
We believe that some day Jesus Christ will return to the earth and then there will be a theocracy with Jesus Christ the King. Don’t you believe this?
That is not exactly a theocracy, since all of God’s people will be perfected. Why don’t you tell some of your LDS friends that it will not be until then? Constitution hanging by a thread? The way some LDS are, the wrong influences on an LDS president could easily destroy the Constitution.
 
We believe that some day Jesus Christ will return to the earth and then there will be a theocracy with Jesus Christ the King. Don’t you believe this?
No.

[BIBLEDRB]2 Peter 3:10-11[/BIBLEDRB]

When Jesus Christ returns, the fate of the world is to be judged and dissolved. Only the spiritual Kingdom of God–the Church–will remain to usher in a new Heaven and a new earth.
 
When Jesus Christ returns, the fate of the world is to be judged and dissolved. Only the spiritual Kingdom of God–the Church–will remain to usher in a new Heaven and a new earth.
Yes, Jesus will reign over the Kingdom of God which will be made up of “the house of Jacob.” (Luke 1:33) That is why it is so important to understand the Abrahamic covenant and the covenant Jesus made with Jacob. (read Genesis 28:20-22) And why it is important for the “sons of Jacob” to return to the ordinaces of the Lord and to pay tithing to prepare for the Lord’s second coming. (see Malachi 3:6-10) Here are the verses from the New Testament:

“And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shll be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and th Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: *And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever.” *(Luke 1:31-33) emphasis added
 
There will be no faith if Christ comes back to rule.

He will never come back to this earth. He is already ruling from heaven as The Lamb of God.

When we come to the end of this heaven (and that includes Mormon planets with their man gods) and earth, it will be the end of this world as we know it.

At the final judgment, all of us will be judged by how…not the theology…not the exaltation or going to Mass…we will be judged by how we believed in the presence of Christ standing before our neighbor and how we took care of our neighbor…for their sake, for Christ’s sake (a term that is used now in sacrilegious ways in public).

Then we will finally be able to follow Christ, being gloriously resurrected with Him to a new heaven and a new earth, where all will draw on Him…see Revelations 22.

What the most astute apocalyptic academic priest in Rome is saying that we are approaching a second coming of Christ…that is interior…we are approaching a great time now where the world as we know it will change and be purified…and the belief in God will return to people’s hearts…but we will become poor…but very happy…and live in Christ centered communities. The priest I am referring to has extensively studied both Catholic and Protestant reflections on the times we are living in, as well as exhortations from approved mystics and saints.

But no, Christ will never come back to rule this world…not the transformed and renewed one that is coming, but only when we are given a new heaven and earth.

If we can see Christ now, there is no more faith to believe in that what we cannot see, and no more hope as we now have what we seek.

Only in Christ do we find our true selves realized…Christ is really that longing that is drawing us back to Him…and our true selves.

In Mormonism…you seek exalted to be a god. In Catholicism, we die to self so that the New Man, Christ, through His Word and Sacraments – whose meaning and intent has not changed for 2,000 years …comes to us as fruit to eat…in tradition…it is the gifts of bread and wine.

Through the Word and Sacraments, and our fidelity and carrying the Cross, we are gradually transformed to become more Christlike…one day at a time. What is miraculous about this transformation, is that the more we die to ourselves for Christ…the more authentic in our individuality we become.

Authenticity. Authentic belief and practice in Christ to become an authentic and real person who is humane and recognizes himself in his neighbor.
 
Yes, Jesus will reign over the Kingdom of God which will be made up of “the house of Jacob.” (Luke 1:33)
Luke does not say that the Kingdom of God is made up of the house of Jacob. Also, what the angel decalared to Mary has happened. While I understand Mormons are still waiting for Jesus to reign, all of mainstream Christianity know that He reigns now.
That is why it is so important to understand the Abrahamic covenant and the covenant Jesus made with Jacob. (read Genesis 28:20-22) And why it is important for the “sons of Jacob” to return to the ordinaces of the Lord and to pay tithing to prepare for the Lord’s second coming. (see Malachi 3:6-10) Here are the verses from the New Testament:
Some kind of grand leap you have going there.
“And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shll be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: *And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever.” *(Luke 1:31-33) emphasis added
Jesus is the fulfillment of Jewish prophecy. Gentiles do not become Jewish, Jesus Christ is the Word of God, and God’s Word, in the new and everlasting covenant, is for ALL.
 
It seems to me a form of denial, but Mormonism has all kinds of that double-think sort of thing going on. They compartmentalize, A can be believed and B can be believed but A and B can’t be believed together, so, just don’t put them together and don’t worry about it! …and dodge any questions that come up from others.
Like this one?
How does the Holy Spirit fit into Joseph Smith’s understanding of happiness?
 
LDS believe in a two party system and our leaders from Brigham Young to modern prophets have declared this and encourage members to participate in the party of their chioce. However, the Church will take a stand on some moral issues such as the definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman. We believe the writers of the U. S. Constituion were inspired of God.

Yet Joseph was continually violating the US Constitution. You do not see the conundrum?
 
The Roman catholic Church has the Bible as the inspired word of God, with the Church, meaning the preceding writers of commentaries and the leaders/preachers in it taking priority over said scripture, and determining to the non-clerical members what It means.
This is, for a good reason, like the structure of the Jewish Faith. Which the Roman Catholic Church took from the example of the Sanhedrin, as written of in Exodus, and the Apostles in the book of The Acts of The Apostles. Anyway, the R.C. didn’t invent a new scripture upon which to base their litany, they relied on and followed the bible, subject to their own private interpretation, for good or ill.
But, the LDS, that is Joseph Smith felt it necessary to depart whole hog from the Scripture and attempt, as did Mohammed, to write a whole new “bible” all the while proclaiming himself a Prophet of that, supposedly, same God, whose scripture he chose to forgo. And to add insult to injury, He plagiarized heavily from it and even today his ‘followers’ attempt to interpret and redefine even the Bible as we know it. As if this weren’t enough he and his ‘followers’ set them selves up as a conclave of ‘prophets’ of the LDS and while swilling Whiskey and smoking fine cigars wrote and/or dictated the “covenants and Doctrines” of the LDS as they were 'revealed to them, before they would shuffle off to bed with each others daughters and/or wives. This is the first major difference between the Christian churches and the morons. The second major difference is that in this Book of Joseph Smith’s devising, it claims that Jesus is the Flesh and Blood brother of Lucifer, i.e. Satan, both having been engendered by God, their father, who was a flesh and blood human as are we all. This Man becoming God later by virtue of his virtue, (apparently the morons believe that being Good can make you God.) And they now all live together, except for Satan and all the nonmorons, with God and his various wives, as well as their own, on the little known, nor ever astronomically regarded planet Kolob ( totally non-nonsensical name ).
Quite frankly scarlet, I don’t give a good god damn what the Morons say. They are full of chit. Totally and utterly.:yup: Thank You Catholic dot com for this platform to properly inform those ignorant ( now who would blame them? ) of Moronism of what it is mainly aboot.
You right properly ought to be Roman Catholic.com.
The Church can’t duck the Homosexua Pedophiliac Priests in their leadership, the church having created that issue with their erroneous interpretation of the scripture “the doctrines of demons…Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats”.
likewise the Morons can’t duck their incredibly Un/Non-Godly recent history, with their prophets propounding polygamy, and exclusion of Negroes from membership altogether.
Where fore their “World View”? Its the hyper myopic vision of a drunken lecher. They fool no God with their vain posturing. As far as God goes, Romney and Obama are going to meet in Hell, where there is a room reserved for men who would use God to win an election. Right next to Bush.👍 I am conservative, to the death, but seek no friends apart from God.
 
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The Church can’t duck the Homosexua Pedophiliac Priests in their leadership, the church having created that issue with their erroneous interpretation of the scripture “the doctrines of demons…Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats”.
I would be interested in seeing the scientific studies that show a celibate man, and/or a man who doesn’t eat meat, becomes a pedophile.
 
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