Mormonapologetic videos in defense of Mormonism...

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It has been claimed by some posters that there is no evidence for the lds faith or the book of mormon. And yet, FAIRLDS the mormonapologetic equivalent to the catholic answers has released these videos. What do you think of the content of the videos??

It is broken up into 15 sections that equal out to be about an hour and 20 minutes. You may recognize some of the footage. They posted about 1/2 hour of it 6 months ago, but now there is an additional hour to watch.

Introduction:
youtube.com/watch?v=aPlCue-rmFY…;watch_response

Coins and The Book of Mormon:
youtube.com/watch?v=_TC-JJhVL3U

Metals and The Book of Mormon:
youtube.com/watch?v=kFB6IAjwYQk

Grains and The Book of Mormon:
youtube.com/watch?v=VuFUiCRkqYk

Horses, Elephants and chariots in The Book of Mormon:
youtube.com/watch?v=dXbUy3b6H9k

Book of Mormon geography (Old World):
youtube.com/watch?v=FtqaeCo6rTY

Book of Mormon geography (New World):
youtube.com/watch?v=AvjZzw7qrvc

Origins of the Native Americans:
youtube.com/watch?v=gYkUg_9i2kQ

Book of Mormon and Temples:
youtube.com/watch?v=af6esIB10d4

Hebrew poetry in The Book of Mormon:
youtube.com/watch?v=niLOtZximlw

Reformed Egyptian:
youtube.com/watch?v=H8TXk-QiS6I

Archaeology and the Bible:
youtube.com/watch?v=TZwmshFLVxA

Scholars response to Bible vs The Book of Mormon:
youtube.com/watch?v=k-GmYaWZUxs

Testimonies of the scholars:
youtube.com/watch?v=Uqtj6wT5DVc

Silk, Book of Mormon archaeology and the credits:
youtube.com/watch?v=3maCub_MF5E

Alma 7:10, Jesus born at Jerusalem:
youtube.com/watch?v=jiO5OLX95LE
 
Would you think it fair for youtube videos be posted to refute the bias video links you posted?
 
All really sad and pathetic, really. Anyone with even the slightest bit of education - who isn’t brainwashed - can spot the dissembling going on here. There is a reason that Mormon “scholars” are not taken the least bit seriously in the academic world at large; that reason is, they make no attempt to examine and interpret the data in something resembling an objective fashion. Instead, the examine the data from the starting point that everything in the BoM is true, therefore the data must be interpreted in such a way to support the BoM, even when doing so produces the most incredible, twisted, tortured explanations imaginable.

And even then, the tortured explanations don’t really support the BoM. Take the video about “Origins of the Native Americans”, for instance. The “Senior Scholar” (a funny enough title right there - are we supposed to be impressed? What are this man’s credentials? Where did he study?) basically comes right out and admits that it’s true, the DNA evidence isn’t there, then he goes into a long, rambling lecture about how even though the evidence isn’t there, it COULD still be true because of something about Polynesians or whatever. What he completely glosses over is the fact that at the very least, a very large portion of living Native Americans have absolutely nothing to do with the “Lamanites” of the BoM, and what this rather damning fact does to the credibility of the entire Mormon belief in this ridiculous mythology of theirs.

Again I also have to wonder why Mr. Good Catholic Boy, Mr. “I Have Major Cath-Cred 'cause I Allegedly Attend a TLM”, Mr. “We Are God’s Spirit Children and God Can’t Understand Us Unless He Was Once a Man, But I Am Catholic and Don’t You Dare Suggest Otherwise”, aka ‘why me’, is posting Mormon apologetics links here.
 
I found a very informative video entitled “The Bible vs. The Book of Mormon”. This one video offers interviews with many anthropologists, other historians and scholars, including LDS anthropologists. It is a little over 1 hour long and logically approaches the writings of the Bible and Book of Mormon and compares those writings to evidence or lack of evidence that exists to this day.

Just like the OP, I would like to know what people think of the contents of this video.
 
Honestly? Grasping at straws because there is no real substantial evidence to point to, but thanks for sharing.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I found a very informative video entitled “The Bible vs. The Book of Mormon”. This one video offers interviews with many anthropologists, other historians and scholars, including LDS anthropologists. It is a little over 1 hour long and logically approaches the writings of the Bible and Book of Mormon and compares those writings to evidence or lack of evidence that exists to this day.

Just like the OP, I would like to know what people think of the contents of this video.
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The ones WhyMe posted are a direct response to that video.
 
BDawg said:
The ones WhyMe posted are a direct response to that video.
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Really?

I guess the biggest difference would be the assertions of proof made in the video I found as opposed to the admittance of no real proof in the videos whyme provided. 🤷
 
ibkc said:
Again I also have to wonder why Mr. Good Catholic Boy, Mr. “I Have Major Cath-Cred 'cause I Allegedly Attend a TLM”, Mr. “We Are God’s Spirit Children and God Can’t Understand Us Unless He Was Once a Man, But I Am Catholic and Don’t You Dare Suggest Otherwise”, aka ‘why me’, is posting Mormon apologetics links here.
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And the posting of apologetic material seems to run counter to “Mr. I’m only post when the LDS is attacked”

Posting this is either straight up apologetics or proselytizing, either way I don’t see a “Mr. Catholic” anything in this action.
 
I think it is funny that Mormon people think everyone is dumb. I mean this in a way of that… if I went to school and learned about America and whatnot (or went to school and learned about the bible) I am oviously wrong.

Jesus born in THE LAND of Jersusalm haha no he was born in BETHLHAM LOOK AT A MAP they are not even close
 
I’m sorry, but if this is fairlds.org best attempt at validating mormonism, they need to get their money back from whomever produced it.

So much babbling, talking in circles, and not one thing concrete to substantiate their claims. I especially liked the credentials of the one guy being listed as “senior scholar”. In what?
 
twopekinguys said:
I’m sorry, but if this is fairlds.org best attempt at validating mormonism, they need to get their money back from whomever produced it.

So much babbling, talking in circles, and not one thing concrete to substantiate their claims. I especially liked the credentials of the one guy being listed as “senior scholar”. In what?
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If you are talking about John Tvedtnes, he has graduate degrees in Anthropology and Near Eastern Languages. (I think he has one more, too.) He has also published in a number of non-Mormon scholarly venues having to do with his specialties.

I watched the videos, and I thought they were very responsibly done. They pointed out criticisms of the Book of Mormon that had been nullified by subsequent discoveries, or that are not in line with what the text actually says. They freely acknowledged that there are details in the book that we have not found any hard evidence for, and pointed out that the situation is much the same for Biblical Archaeology, except that it is easier to get started on a somewhat sure footing in the Near East because so many of the place names have stayed the same, which is not the case in Mesoamerica.

And in fact, they did mention some very concrete evidences for the Book of Mormon. For instance, archaeologists have now found a site in Arabia the ancients called NHM that is right about where the Book of Mormon says there was a place called “Nahom” (ancient semitic languages didn’t have vowels,) and almost directly East of this place, there is a very luxuriant area on the coast with a number of characteristics that perfectly match the Book of Mormon’s description of a place they called Bountiful. And guess what? Bountiful was supposed to be almost directly East of Nahom. They mentioned some examples of Hebrew poetic forms that show up repeatedly in the Book of Mormon, but which could not have been known to Joseph Smith. And so on.

The reason this all sounds like “double-talk” to some people is that the scholars interviewed were very careful not to claim more than they could actually back up, and they noted that scholarship is not about “proving” things absolutely, but about collecting evidence to establish probabilities. Most people just want “black-and-white” answers that are actually pretty rare, especially when we are talking about fields like archaeology and anthropology.

So what I’m saying is that people who see what was said on those videos as “double-talk” are very likely to have never done any real scholarship themselves. They are the kind of people who want “black-and-white” answers–if not from themselves, then at least from groups that disagree with them.

This is certainly the case for the “Bible vs. the Book of Mormon” video mentioned. It was produced by a pack of fundamentalists who put together a very one-sided and irresponsible attack against the Book of Mormon, and simultaneously manufactured an overy rosy picture of the state of Biblical Studies.

So throw in your lot with the fundies if you want, but as for me, I’ll stick with people who have enough horsepower under the intellectual hood to grasp the limitations of various fields of scholarship.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Really?

I guess the biggest difference would be the assertions of proof made in the video I found as opposed to the admittance of no real proof in the videos whyme provided. 🤷
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Among other things. But you are correct. The FAIR videos were entirely responsible in their characterization of current scholarship, while the Living Hope Ministries video claims WAY more than they can back up.
 
BDawg said:
So what I’m saying is that people who see what was said on those videos as “double-talk” are very likely to have never done any real scholarship themselves.
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I am a graduate student, so I have an idea of what is involved in real scholarship. Disregarding concrete science in favor of “It’s possible that Middle Eastern Jews could have come to North America, even though there is no evidence at all that they did” is not scholarship. It’s pure speculation. He might as well tell us that all the Nephites were born with prehensile tails that they used to play the zither - I mean, there’s no way to prove that false, either! :rolleyes: Is that what passes for “scholarship” among Mormon “senior scholars”?
 
Again I also have to wonder why Mr. Good Catholic Boy, Mr. “I Have Major Cath-Cred 'cause I Allegedly Attend a TLM”, Mr. “We Are God’s Spirit Children and God Can’t Understand Us Unless He Was Once a Man, But I Am Catholic and Don’t You Dare Suggest Otherwise”, aka ‘why me’, is posting Mormon apologetics links here.
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why me claims to be Catholic?!?!
 
why_me said:
It has been claimed by some posters that there is no evidence for the lds faith or the book of mormon. And yet, FAIRLDS the mormonapologetic equivalent to the catholic answers has released these videos. What do you think of the content of the videos??

It is broken up into 15 sections that equal out to be about an hour and 20 minutes. You may recognize some of the footage. They posted about 1/2 hour of it 6 months ago, but now there is an additional hour to watch.

Introduction:
youtube.com/watch?v=aPlCue-rmFY…;watch_response

Coins and The Book of Mormon:
youtube.com/watch?v=_TC-JJhVL3U

Metals and The Book of Mormon:
youtube.com/watch?v=kFB6IAjwYQk

Grains and The Book of Mormon:
youtube.com/watch?v=VuFUiCRkqYk

Horses, Elephants and chariots in The Book of Mormon:
youtube.com/watch?v=dXbUy3b6H9k

Book of Mormon geography (Old World):
youtube.com/watch?v=FtqaeCo6rTY

Book of Mormon geography (New World):
youtube.com/watch?v=AvjZzw7qrvc

Origins of the Native Americans:
youtube.com/watch?v=gYkUg_9i2kQ

Book of Mormon and Temples:
youtube.com/watch?v=af6esIB10d4

Hebrew poetry in The Book of Mormon:
youtube.com/watch?v=niLOtZximlw

Reformed Egyptian:
youtube.com/watch?v=H8TXk-QiS6I

Archaeology and the Bible:
youtube.com/watch?v=TZwmshFLVxA

Scholars response to Bible vs The Book of Mormon:
youtube.com/watch?v=k-GmYaWZUxs

Testimonies of the scholars:
youtube.com/watch?v=Uqtj6wT5DVc

Silk, Book of Mormon archaeology and the credits:
youtube.com/watch?v=3maCub_MF5E

Alma 7:10, Jesus born at Jerusalem:
youtube.com/watch?v=jiO5OLX95LE
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Sounds like JW stuff to me

Blessings and peace
 
This is so sad and such a shame at what lengths the Mormoms will go to. :confused:
 
Daniel C Peterson. Ever notice that all “important” Mormon men have initials? He’s a professor of Islamic studies at BYU. A self-proclaimed apologist who works with FAIR quite a bit.

He’s a smug self-important type who uses “ironic” terms but what he really is is sarcasm at it’s best.

He’s the typical male LDS man. Bald, Red tie, Blue suit, non-humble man who tries to dazzle with his witticism while putting down everyone online with his “irony”.

Some find him funny. I find him pathetic.

in Christ
Steph
 
tundramom said:
Daniel C Peterson. Ever notice that all “important” Mormon men have initials? He’s a professor of Islamic studies at BYU. A self-proclaimed apologist who works with FAIR quite a bit.

He’s a smug self-important type who uses “ironic” terms but what he really is is sarcasm at it’s best.

He’s the typical male LDS man. Bald, Red tie, Blue suit, non-humble man who tries to dazzle with his witticism while putting down everyone online with his “irony”.

Some find him funny. I find him pathetic.

in Christ
Steph
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He does seem Pathetic… and boring. Saddly he reminds me of one of the missionaries I knew who tried to explain that God wasn’t on a PLANET kolob but a a planet near a star named kolob. Who cares I say all sound foolish to me. DCP seems to think we are all stupid and will fall for his ummm… knowledge 🤷
 
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