Mormonapologetic videos in defense of Mormonism...

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Daniel C Peterson. Ever notice that all “important” Mormon men have initials? He’s a professor of Islamic studies at BYU. A self-proclaimed apologist who works with FAIR quite a bit.

He’s a smug self-important type who uses “ironic” terms but what he really is is *sarcasm *at it’s best.

He’s the typical male LDS man. Bald, Red tie, Blue suit, non-humble man who tries to dazzle with his witticism while putting down everyone online with his “irony”.

Some find him funny. I find him pathetic.

in Christ
Steph
I’ve read a lot from him over at MAAD and find him to be just as Tundramom describes him(though I would replace the word sarcasm with contemptuous). Although I’m sure there are certain posters here who will ask why we have such a low opinion of him. And how he is a sterling example of defending Mormonism, totally compassionate and Christ like.
 
why me claims to be Catholic?!?!
On his/her info, under religion it says: n/a

wouldn’t it say “Catholic” if he/she were Catholic???

whyme, are you Catholic? I thought maybe you were Mormon? :confused:
 
Would you think it fair for youtube videos be posted to refute the bias video links you posted?
People on this forum do post antimormon videos from youtube all the time. It is not uncommon. The purpose of my post was to show that mormons are out there actively defending their faith and that there are answers out there that are based on faith.
 
Again I also have to wonder why Mr. Good Catholic Boy, Mr. “I Have Major Cath-Cred 'cause I Allegedly Attend a TLM”, Mr. “We Are God’s Spirit Children and God Can’t Understand Us Unless He Was Once a Man, But I Am Catholic and Don’t You Dare Suggest Otherwise”, aka ‘why me’, is posting Mormon apologetics links here.
Because a few people on this forum, including yourself, have made claims about a lack of evidence supporting the book of mormon. But as these videos show, mormons are defending their faith and making their case too.
 
I’ve read a lot from him over at MAAD and find him to be just as Tundramom describes him(though I would replace the word sarcasm with contemptuous). Although I’m sure there are certain posters here who will ask why we have such a low opinion of him. And how he is a sterling example of defending Mormonism, totally compassionate and Christ like.
Daniel Peterson is often attacked through the Internet by antimormns for the reason that he does make sense and antimormons find this to be a threat. But he is a scholar and has recently published a book on Islam.
 
Daniel C Peterson. Ever notice that all “important” Mormon men have initials? He’s a professor of Islamic studies at BYU. A self-proclaimed apologist who works with FAIR quite a bit.

He’s a smug self-important type who uses “ironic” terms but what he really is is sarcasm at it’s best.

He’s the typical male LDS man. Bald, Red tie, Blue suit, non-humble man who tries to dazzle with his witticism while putting down everyone online with his “irony”.

Some find him funny. I find him pathetic.

in Christ
Steph
You forgot to mention that he loves Krispy Kreme donuts. He often makes fun of his own love for donuts. However, he is a scholar and a true blue mormon. Mormons are not barefoot and stupid. I would have to say that the great majority of mormons are very well educated.

What is a typical catholic male?
 
And the posting of apologetic material seems to run counter to “Mr. I’m only post when the LDS is attacked”

Posting this is either straight up apologetics or proselytizing, either way I don’t see a “Mr. Catholic” anything in this action.
It is to provide balance to the antimormon rhetoric that is ripe on the mormon threads. As I have said, it is often commented on that mormons are no proof for their faith. And FAIR is responding to such criticism that is not only found here but also on antimormon sites. I think that they are doing a good job. But in the end, religion is about faith and not evidence. There is no evidence that there is a god but many have faith that there is. It is the same for any religion. Faith unlocks doors and not evidence in finding god.
 
On his/her info, under religion it says: n/a

wouldn’t it say “Catholic” if he/she were Catholic???

whyme, are you Catholic? I thought maybe you were Mormon? :confused:
Yes, I am catholic but I also have a mormon history and my children are mormon. And I attend Mass quite often when possible. But at times depending on where I am, attend the mormon services too.
 
I am a graduate student, so I have an idea of what is involved in real scholarship. Disregarding concrete science in favor of “It’s possible that Middle Eastern Jews could have come to North America, even though there is no evidence at all that they did” is not scholarship. It’s pure speculation. He might as well tell us that all the Nephites were born with prehensile tails that they used to play the zither - I mean, there’s no way to prove that false, either! :rolleyes: Is that what passes for “scholarship” among Mormon “senior scholars”?
And when, exactly, did they say “It’s possible that Middle Eastern Jews could have come to North America, even though there is no evidence at all that they did”? What I heard was, “There is some evidence, but that doesn’t amount to proof.”
 
i think it’s the classic half glass of water situation. mormons who tend to reverse engineer conclusions from their desired end state look at things like this and believe “wow, this shows scientifically/historically/etc. that the BoM is true” because they believe that makes their claims plausible.

Non-mormons will look at this same “evidence” and say “that’s all you got?” and wonder how you could ever see those things as proof of anything.

the FAIR/FARMS/Maxwell Institute folks pretty much ensured a lack of credibility outside of LDs circles when they put out the salamander spin during the hoffman forgeries.

The NHM issue only appeals to mormons because the BoM is so vague on this that you could point to anywhere in the middle east and say that’s Nahom. NHM could mean anything. it isn’t Nahom, it’s NHM. we don’t know what it was referring to. this reminds me of the 70’s when everything in mesoamerica was linked to nephite cities as “proof” the BoM was true. now we have LGT trying to explain away the fact that was proven false.

the pompous BYU “scholars” are still out there doing the Nibbley thing where they throw out a bunch of unfounded assertions with shoddy research as “plausible”. this is then used as “eminent scholars” who are “widely published” to give credibility amongst the easily fooled.

I have to give zerinus credit on this one. He gives the mormons their best approach on this when he said “if you are looking to archeology to prove it you are looking in the wrong place”. (paraphrase due to old age memory) The LDs are best off retreating into the tried and true testimony approach where the trust that inteh end God will show them how such things could actually be true and it was just a test of faith.

as for the rest of us…we see this as no different that charles taze russel, mary baker eddy, david koresh… well you get the point.

I just don’t see how there could be a better example of 2 peter 2 than the LDs church under Joseph Smith.
 
Yes, I am catholic but I also have a mormon history and my children are mormon. And I attend Mass quite often when possible. But at times depending on where I am, attend the mormon services too.
I’m sorry your children are Mormon. That must be very difficult for you? 😦
 
I’m sorry your children are Mormon. That must be very difficult for you? 😦
Not really. The mormon faith has treated them very well. They have been taught good values and they are great young adults. And so, I can not complain. My children believe in god and practice what the bible teaches. And if they were catholics, they would be a good model for other catholic young people to follow by their example on how to do life.

I can not complain but who knows what the future will bring…🙂
 
as for the rest of us…we see this as no different that charles taze russel, mary baker eddy, david koresh… well you get the point.

I just don’t see how there could be a better example of 2 peter 2 than the LDs church under Joseph Smith.
Of course it is always easy to bring up names that have a specific connotation but that does not make it true. How can someone put Mary Baker Eddy’s name with Koresh? Or with Joseph Smith?

The lds church is a world wide church that serves the community very well. Mormons and Christian Scientists are good people. Sorry, I cannot agree with you and your comparisons.
 
Of course it is always easy to bring up names that have a specific connotation but that does not make it true. How can someone put Mary Baker Eddy’s name with Koresh? Or with Joseph Smith?

The lds church is a world wide church that serves the community very well. Mormons and Christian Scientists are good people. Sorry, I cannot agree with you and your comparisons.
it’s very easy. they all started with a false prophet claiming revelation from God to start a new church withe them in charge. The JWs are a worldwide church that claims to serve the community very well. so are the SDA’s (ellen white). What do you find so problematic about koresh? his story is eerily similar to Joseph smith’s. he was never proven guilty of any crimes but kept getting accused by “anti-branch davidians” of many of the same things JS was accused of and he died in a government assault on his church. kinda like JS. None of his revelations have ever been “proven” wrong.

what didn’t you like about the Christian Scientists comparison?

Look, at the end of the day, despite your arrogant bragging about how great the LDS church is and how it’s members are so much better people than anyone else, it’s a manmade religion founded by a false prophet who introduced multiple heresies. This means it leads people away from the true faith. it is currently led by men who claim to receive direct revelation from God and say that God himself tells them that no other church has any authority whatsoever to act in Gods name and thus cannot possess any sacramental grace at all. They refer to the creeds as ABOMINATIONS in the sight of God and all of us who profess them as corrupt.

you can pretend to be both catholic and mormon all you want, you’re not fooling anyone. there will be no converts to mormonism here and no one will allow the “nose of the camel” into the tent either (spencer kimball miracle of forgiveness) by accepting mormon doctrine as a valid christian tradition.

now stop with the missionary tracting here, repent and be firmly catholic.
 
i think it’s the classic half glass of water situation. mormons who tend to reverse engineer conclusions from their desired end state look at things like this and believe “wow, this shows scientifically/historically/etc. that the BoM is true” because they believe that makes their claims plausible.

Non-mormons will look at this same “evidence” and say “that’s all you got?” and wonder how you could ever see those things as proof of anything.
Well, many of these “non-Mormons” don’t have a good grasp of the logical structure of the problem. Consider the fundamentalists who made the “Bible vs. the Book of Mormon” video. They believe that the Bible is all literally true, including the miracle stories and such. Now, these people think the Bible is all proved true because we know where Jerusalem and various other sites are, etc. But since many of these sites have existed continuously, and everyone agrees that the Bible is at least partly based on real history, who cares? It doesn’t prove a thing about the Bible being the Word of God.

On the other hand, the Book of Mormon was supposed to have been translated by some hick from the frontier in the early 19th century America, by the power of God. If we make archaeological discoveries to confirm this narrative, it is a MUCH BIGGER DEAL, because non-believers don’t believe the book is based on real history at all, except maybe a few things gotten from the Bible. A hypothesis is much more useful and powerful if it goes out on a limb.
The NHM issue only appeals to mormons because the BoM is so vague on this that you could point to anywhere in the middle east and say that’s Nahom. NHM could mean anything. it isn’t Nahom, it’s NHM. we don’t know what it was referring to. this reminds me of the 70’s when everything in mesoamerica was linked to nephite cities as “proof” the BoM was true. now we have LGT trying to explain away the fact that was proven false.
The Book of Mormon is vague about New World geography–necessarily so, since none of the place names have stayed the same. On the other hand, it is much more easily tracked in the part that occurred in the Old World. They left Jerusalem (and we know where that is), traveled southeast along the western coastal area of Arabia, reached “a place called Nahom” where they buried Ishmael, and turned almost due east and traveled that way until they came to a place on the eastern coast of Arabia that they called Bountiful because it was very fertile, etc. They built ships and left from there.

As the FAIR video points out, Hugh Nibley and others had used this to posit a tentative travel route for Lehi’s party since the 1950’s or so. They figured that the party probably turned east at the old Frankincense Trail.

Well, guess what? Right about where the Frankincense Trail turned east, we find “a place called NHM,” that had an ancient burial ground, where Ishmael could have been buried. And if you go almost due east from there, you find a rare spot along the eastern coast of Arabia that fits all the criteria for Bountiful mentioned in the Book of Mormon. And furthermore, the place had been used as a small harbor for sea travel in the past.

But this isn’t good enough for you, because “it isn’t Nahom, it’s NHM.” Oh, please. Ancient Semitic languages had no vowels, so NHM inscribed on an ancient altar from around Lehi’s time is as close as we’ll ever get to direct confirmation of “Nahom.”

Considering the origin of the Book of Mormon, this one archaeological confirmation is a BOMBSHELL. It isn’t some random fact that seems to line up with an ultra-vague narrative. The narrative is reasonbly specific. Mormon scholars had already used it to posit a possible route. And now some archaeological finds have confirmed that route in spades.
 
They believe that the Bible is all literally true, including the miracle stories and such.
Hey BDawg,

There was a part of your post that stood out and caught my attention.

Can you please clarify what you mean by the statement quoted above? What miracles do Mormons not believe?

Also, please explain the Mormon connection to Ishmael. I knew Islam has a connection but never realized a Mormon connection.
 
Hey BDawg,

There was a part of your post that stood out and caught my attention.

Can you please clarify what you mean by the statement quoted above? What miracles do Mormons not believe?
We believe all the miracles of the Bible. You are reading that passage out of context.
Also, please explain the Mormon connection to Ishmael. I knew Islam has a connection but never realized a Mormon connection.
This Ishmael is not the same as Ishmael the son of Abranam and Hagar. He is a different person. He was the father in law to the sons of Lehi, who journied with Lehi and his family towards the promissed land, and died and was buried at the place they called Nahom; hence the connection.

zerinus
 
You forgot to mention that he loves Krispy Kreme donuts. He often makes fun of his own love for donuts. However, he is a scholar and a true blue mormon. Mormons are not barefoot and stupid. I would have to say that the great majority of mormons are very well educated.

What is a typical catholic male?
wow whyme, a typical Catholic male?..there is NO such thing, not in relationship to education. God never said education had anything to do with anything. That is a mormon construct.
 
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