Mormonism - A Catholic Perspective

[nancy_dalrymple]

To all concerned,for a free book of Mormon go to www.Mormon.org/book of mormon. read doctrine and covenants 132 and you will understand.Also look up plural wives.And seer stone.while your at it look up brigham young he was the 2nd president after Smiths death and had 56 wives and some were sisters.the roots of their Church is evil as you will see. The truth I tell you, in Christ Jesus name Nancy

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Bryan,

Thanks for the link. Best wishes on joining the Tiber Swim Team - prayers are with you on each stroke of the way.

Now the quote I was looking for puts a lot of stress or encouragement on a guy seeming to get - or is that to beget ? - virgins … up to ten virgins (and, maybe still counting). These passages are hard to square with Christ’s focus on marriage being between one man and one woman. **Have you not read, he replied, that at the beginning the Creator “made them male and female,” and said, “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh”? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate ** Matthew 19:4–6, Mark 10:6–9
Then there are these other references that do seem to imply it is one man and one woman who are united as one flesh symbolic of Christ and the Church:
1 Corinthians 6:15-17
Ephesians 5:30–32
Ephesians 5:21–33
Revelations 19:7

On a personal note, I don’t know about anyone else, but my wife and I just celebrated our 38th wedding anniversary - and, I have no idea how I could survive with two women (even in different houses!) Truly, anyone trying this … well… I can’t even imagine it.

Here is post and see if anyone understands anything different.

**61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife. **

God bless

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Hi Tom, That was great.I’d like you to look up Royal Arch Degree. Then go to( Freemasons secrets learn inside secrets of feemasons),be patient and read all if you can you’ll know what I’m talking about. Love of Christ Nancy Eph:5:11:thumbsup:

 

[jean8]

Hi, you can get a free book on www.mormon.org/bookof mormon-7k or at a mormon church near you. Try the internet first . Nancy:thumbsup:

Why would anyone consider joining cult?
Joseph Smith died in a gun battle. He had several wives. Most Mormons seem to have a obsession with sex…
They teach God having sex with his spirit wives? How can you even think of such nonsense.

Pray that God will lead you to the truth found in his Holy Word, the Bible .

jean8

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

To Jean8 I’m sorry but you must be thinking I condone Mormonism,I dont in fact I’ve left the message to all who are confused about it. Rennie asked for more information about their belife,so I gave the site where you can get a book and see for yourself,about how foney they realy are. I hope I"ve explained it to you ok?EPH:5:11 love you Nancy

 

[tqualey]

Hi, delaacecruz,

I am not sure I understand your question.

While it is not recorded that Christ actually named His Church (like He changed the Simon: Matthew 16:17-18, Jesus answered, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” )

when christ founded his church in Mat. 16:18, did christ
intended that his church will have an official name?
Is He founded called the church of christ? rome 16:16
or church of god 1 cor 1-2?

A careful reading of the 4 Gospels will give you a very good idea that Christ did not give many details concerning His Church - He left that for the Holy Spirit to work through with the Apostles and their Successors.

The name “Christian” first appears in Acts 11:26 “And it came to pass, that even for a whole year they were gathered together with the church, and taught much people, and that the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”

Did this help?

God bless

 

[AMDGtoo]

when christ founded his church in Mat. 16:18, did christ
intended that his church will have an official name?
Is He founded called the church of christ? rome 16:16
or church of god 1 cor 1-2?

The word “Christian” appears in Acts, and the early followers of Christ were known as “followers of the Way” (you’ll see this in the Didache which shows in part how Christians of the first century lived). The word “Catholic” first appears in a letter of St. Ignatius of Antioch in or about 110 A.D. to distinguish Christ’s Church from heretical groups of the time. St. Ignatius’ letter indicates that by 110 A.D., the original Christian Church was already well known as the “Catholic Church”.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Dear Delaacecruz,In ref:to Romans 16:16 was to all the churches that were built on the word of God.Christ is the living word,and all the praise,honor,and glory go to the Father.Christ is the church,and lives in our hearts.For greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world.He’s coming back for his believers,his people who are the church,the body of Christ(not a building). I realy dont think God is that narrow minded,for even you if you go to heaven will be given a new name,and it wont matter what it will be to you,will it?Love of Christ Nancy REV 3:12 REV 21:5

 

[cathybramble]

Just finished a book on this exact topic entitled A Tale of Two Cities: A Comparison Between the Mormon and the Catholic Religious Experiences by Rev. William Taylor. It’s an excellent comparison of Mormon beliefs and Catholic beliefs, written by a Catholic priest who has many Mormon family members. You can buy it at amazon.com

i highly recommend the above book. i’m a utah born catholic myself (my dad is catholic), but my mom was raised LDS and so half my family is of that faith. in fact my great-grandfather was a utah pioneer AND a polygamist LOL i love my mormon family and heritage. even in polygamy, i can even say, there was something honorable about my great grandfather refusing to give up his second wife, because polygamy was legal when he married her. he made a promise to her and kept it, however misguided it was, he took responsibility and even went to jail for it. i don’t accept their faith but love doesn’t have those kind of boundaries, so don’t be haters looking for the bad.

anyway i found that book to be very straight foward and non-judgemental. a very good place to start for those who want to understand the differences in the two faiths.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

i highly recommend the above book. i’m a utah born catholic myself (my dad is catholic), but my mom was raised LDS and so half my family is of that faith. in fact my great-grandfather was a utah pioneer AND a polygamist LOL i love my mormon family and heritage. even in polygamy, i can even say, there was something honorable about my great grandfather refusing to give up his second wife, because polygamy was legal when he married her. he made a promise to her and kept it, however misguided it was, he took responsibility and even went to jail for it. i don’t accept their faith but love doesn’t have those kind of boundaries, so don’t be haters looking for the bad.

anyway i found that book to be very straight foward and non-judgemental. a very good place to start for those who want to understand the differences in the two faiths.

The Lord loves a cheerfull giver,life is not a game. Mother Theresa loved everyone but if you would have asked her about plural mariages,any one here would know her answer,but she would have been more gracefull.Yes we do love our familys but dont or shouldnt, always agree in what they do … Psalms 119:97-105 In his love Nancy The bible speeks for it’s self.

 

[cathybramble]

The Lord loves a cheerfull giver,life is not a game. Mother Theresa loved everyone but if you would have asked her about plural mariages,any one here would know her answer,but she would have been more gracefull.Yes we do love our familys but dont or shouldnt, always agree in what they do … Psalms 119:97-105 In his love Nancy The bible speeks for it’s self.

if you want to learn about the LDS church that’s great - i did, but why start off asking people to talk about what “bad things” they bring about? it’s easy to find evil in any person or group if that is what you’re looking for.

i can see the charity in wanting to correct someone if you find their beliefs damaging to their souls… but you should write to the general authorities of the LDS church or something, not badmouth them here on a catholic site this thread is kind of reminding me of idle gossip with quite a lot of misinformation floating around… i think it’s charitable to mention that this too is damaging to one’s soul.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

if you want to learn about the LDS church that’s great - i did, but why start off asking people to talk about what “bad things” they bring about? it’s easy to find evil in any person or group if that is what you’re looking for.

i can see the charity in wanting to correct someone if you find their beliefs damaging to their souls… but you should write to the general authorities of the LDS church or something, not badmouth them here on a catholic site this thread is kind of reminding me of idle gossip with quite a lot of misinformation floating around… i think it’s charitable to mention that this too is damaging to one’s soul.

I decided to do your free rice questions I stayed on for over one and a half hours. I dont know how I did but I got alot right did I feed anyone rice? and the mormon religion is harmfull to your soul. NancyPS the mormons are wonderfull but their Book is all wrong. Love Ya By!

 

[seekdatruth]

if you want to learn about the LDS church that’s great - i did, but why start off asking people to talk about what “bad things” they bring about? it’s easy to find evil in any person or group if that is what you’re looking for.

i can see the charity in wanting to correct someone if you find their beliefs damaging to their souls… but you should write to the general authorities of the LDS church or something, not badmouth them here on a catholic site this thread is kind of reminding me of idle gossip with quite a lot of misinformation floating around… i think it’s charitable to mention that this too is damaging to one’s soul.

It’s always “badmouthing” when it’s not in favor of LDS. I’ve yet to see “misinformation”, except for one lone person who speculated on Walmart and Walgreens ownership. That, IMO was ridiculous, but when someone else asked why it mattered I had to tell them. I later corrected the poster’s statement by bringing to light that those 2 are likely not LDS anyway, so not to worry about it. Yet that gets thrown in again and again as our “faulty” reasoning here and in every aspect of our religion. All I see is, “That’s wrong! It’s all lies! You are just badmouthing.” Yet there are no solid defenses or explanations set forth to correct us, just statements that we are wrong. How so? Tell us, please!

 

[seekdatruth]

OK, so on another thread, another LDS poster got onto the topic of the creation of the universe and how it differs markedly from that of the Catholic Church. I just want to explore this topic here, since this thread seems to be more in line with comparisons between the two regions.
Here’s a link to the thread where we got onto it:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4606841&postcount=161
Again, it’s only a comparison. If anyone has counter evidence, please state what the inaccuracies are and provide sources, don’t just scream, “LIES!!!”

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Cathybramble,

Enjoyed your post - and, glad you liked the book. I really have no real knowledge about the LDS (OK: Smith, lost golden tablets, Young, seagulls … and what appears to be a fixation on acquiring virgins).

To be honest, I am already months behind on material I have to read… and I know I will never get to this (even if it makes it to Cliff’s Notes! )

Please tell me this, if you will: the term ‘cult’ has been thown around with seeming abandon when referring to the LDS (come to think of it, the same term is used to describe us Catholics by various Protestant denominations… ) So, admittedly it is a bit vague at best. Would you describe the LDS as a cult? Please explain your answer.

Thanks and God bless

 

[cathybramble]

It’s always “badmouthing” when it’s not in favor of LDS. I’ve yet to see “misinformation”, except for one lone person who speculated on Walmart and Walgreens ownership. That, IMO was ridiculous, but when someone else asked why it mattered I had to tell them. I later corrected the poster’s statement by bringing to light that those 2 are likely not LDS anyway, so not to worry about it. Yet that gets thrown in again and again as our “faulty” reasoning here and in every aspect of our religion. All I see is, “That’s wrong! It’s all lies! You are just badmouthing.” Yet there are no solid defenses or explanations set forth to correct us, just statements that we are wrong. How so? Tell us, please!

truthfully i stopped reading when i saw someone say that the mormons don’t read the bible or use it at all. that isn’t true.

i’m not defending their religion, i know a lot about it, and i have some thoughts about it that i won’t share here - i’ve also put up with my share of discrimination from them, living here behind the zion curtain as a “non-member.” but is it constructive to sit here on a catholic site and talk about how bad they are? prolly not

 

[cathybramble]

Hi, Cathybramble,

Enjoyed your post - and, glad you liked the book. I really have no real knowledge about the LDS (OK: Smith, lost golden tablets, Young, seagulls … and what appears to be a fixation on acquiring virgins).

To be honest, I am already months behind on material I have to read… and I know I will never get to this (even if it makes it to Cliff’s Notes! )

Please tell me this, if you will: the term ‘cult’ has been thown around with seeming abandon when referring to the LDS (come to think of it, the same term is used to describe us Catholics by various Protestant denominations… ) So, admittedly it is a bit vague at best. Would you describe the LDS as a cult? Please explain your answer.

Thanks and God bless

i think their technical classification as a “cult” has to do with the teaching that if a mormon leaves the faith (i think especially a temple mormon who has done all the rituals and knows the handshake, etc.), even their own family is obliged to shun them.

so there’s that. and yes they have secret names and secret handshakes and secret temple ceremonies that non-members are not supposed to know about. in fact when my mom first met my dad and started learning about catholicism, she asked him what our secret rituals were, and he was completely dumbfounded and said… “we don’t have any. nothing we do is secret.”

for obvious reasons, my mom never officially renounced the LDS faith but she is better known in the local parochial schools where my girls attended, and my dad’s parish… than in any mormon ward. she had no objection to raising us catholic

 

[cathybramble]

I decided to do your free rice questions I stayed on for over one and a half hours. I dont know how I did but I got alot right did I feed anyone rice? and the mormon religion is harmfull to your soul. NancyPS the mormons are wonderfull but their Book is all wrong. Love Ya By!

that free rice site is awesome huh!! i guess the way it works is that the free rice is sponsored by the people on the ad banners. so yep… you done fed someone - yaay!!

my opinion about the mormons is that they are very misled. i believe their hearts are in the right place and most of them are very good people.

i don’t very often get into theological discussions with them for a variety of reasons but my favorite thing is when they (almost invariably) tell me “i know the book of mormon is true because i read it and prayed about it and God told me it was true.” my standard response is, “i read it and prayed about it and God told me it was not true.” then i ask them who God was lying to, them or me, and do they really believe that God is a liar because… the God i believe in does not lie to anyone.

for more insight, you might want to watch this movie: DNA vs. the book of mormon

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8594203721530427132

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

.Dear Cathybramble, I watched the whole video and it was just what the doctor ordered. Anyone who wants answers to the book of Mormons should go to that site and watch.I’m going to send it to my grandaughter in Utah I pray she will listen to the video,these were all people who were bishops and true belivers. They are scholars,anthropoligists,moluculer Biology in DNA. Deu.18-v-21,22 and 2nd Peter 2v1,3 Rom:10v2 Thank You so much for it will help alot of people if they listen.God Bless You Nancy

 

[cathybramble]

.Dear Cathybramble, I watched the whole video and it was just what the doctor ordered. Anyone who wants answers to the book of Mormons should go to that site and watch.I’m going to send it to my grandaughter in Utah I pray she will listen to the video,these were all people who were bishops and true belivers. They are scholars,anthropoligists,moluculer Biology in DNA. Deu.18-v-21,22 and 2nd Peter 2v1,3 Rom:10v2 Thank You so much for it will help alot of people if they listen.God Bless You Nancy

yes, these are not people who have it out for the mormons. in fact, the study was originally put together for the purpose of PROVING the book of mormon, not refute it - that is what makes it so credible.