Mormonism and Protestantism

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That’s an opinion! There are more Churches that accept them than don’t! :eek:
Well, as was stated by IggyAntiochus, that’s irrelevant. The Body of Christ is not a democracy. But if we use your standard - there are more Churches that reject the BoM as false; and yet, the CoC believes the BoM to be inspired.
 
Well, as was stated by IggyAntiochus, that’s irrelevant. The Body of Christ is not a democracy. But if we use your standard - there are more Churches that reject the BoM as false; and yet, the CoC believes the BoM to be inspired.
You know nothing about protestantism OR Mormonism, I wouldn’t expect you too! Unless your a convert from either your in no position to judge the beliefs and practices of other Churches.

Your opinions are all based on outside observations and stereotypes. Wow. All the judgement here.

Unless you’ve been mormon or protestant, You have no right to tell them or me what is wrong and what is right.

Do you see me telling Catholics here that their faith is wrong?! :mad:
 
You know nothing about protestantism OR Mormonism, I wouldn’t expect you too! Unless your a convert from either your in no position to judge the beliefs and practices of other Churches.

Your opinions are all based on outside observations and stereotypes. Wow. All the judgement here.

Unless you’ve been mormon or protestant, You have no right to tell them or me what is wrong and what is right.

Do you see me telling Catholics here that their faith is wrong?! :mad:
I am a former evangelical protestant. Do I have your permission to participate in the discussion now?
 
You know nothing about protestantism OR Mormonism, I wouldn’t expect you too! Unless your a convert from either your in no position to judge the beliefs and practices of other Churches.

Your opinions are all based on outside observations and stereotypes. Wow. All the judgement here.

Unless you’ve been mormon or protestant, You have no right to tell them or me what is wrong and what is right.
Actually, Scripture commands us to say what is wrong and what is right.
Do you see me telling Catholics here that their faith is wrong?! :mad:
Catholics are part of the Body of Christ. Mormons and the CoC are not.
 
That’s not an opinion. I’m sorry, but truth is not relative to opinions. The objective truth is that Mormonism is not Christian.
If by “Christian” you mean one that believes in Jesus Christ as Savior and Redeemer then we most definitely are Christian.

However, if you define “Christian” as one who must believe in the Trinity and the Bible alone as scripture then we definitely are not, and we do not claim to be.

The problem occurs when people try and lump these two statements together. This simply causes confusion, and I am afraid many are happy with it that way.
 
I would consider the CoC a cult as well. Although they have distanced themselves from the LDS church - they continue to hold that the Book of Mormon and the Book of Doctrine and Covenants are inspired scripture.
If by CoC you mean Church of Christ you are completely wrong. Both books are man created, uninspired by God. The believe in multiple gods, Jesus and Satan are spirit children of God, that men can become gods, Jesus death was insufficient to atone for our sins, everyone will go to some form of heaven, only LDS who leave the church will go to hell (outer darkness), salvation is based on works, still teach polygamy, still teach that people of color were cursed in a pre-mortal existence, a woman’s salvation is tied to her obedience to her husband, etc… None of these things has any place at a CoC.
 
If by CoC you mean Church of Christ you are completely wrong. Both books are man created, uninspired by God. The believe in multiple gods, Jesus and Satan are spirit children of God, that men can become gods, Jesus death was insufficient to atone for our sins, everyone will go to some form of heaven, only LDS who leave the church will go to hell (outer darkness), salvation is based on works, still teach polygamy, still teach that people of color were cursed in a pre-mortal existence, a woman’s salvation is tied to her obedience to her husband, etc… None of these things has any place at a CoC.
Wow, about half of your statements are incorrect…
 
Unless you’ve been mormon or protestant, You have no right to tell them or me what is wrong and what is right.
I was raised Mormon, but honestly that doesn’t matter- anyone can look at the tenets of the LDS faith and compare them to the “requirements” for a denomination to be considered Christian and see that there are some major discrepancies between the two.

mitex, you may want to think about the fact that NO ONE is JUDGING Mormonism, people are OBJECTIVELY stating the facts. Even Mormons DO NOT consider themselves protestant. In fact, it’s insulting to the LDS community to bunch them in with other protestant denominations (or to even compare them to Catholicism) because they believe they’re the one true church, not a denomination of the catholic (meaning universal) Christian Church.

To be considered a true Christian Church, one must believe in the Trinity. The LDS church does not. That is not a judgement, that’s a hard, solid fact that ANY LDS member on here would agree that they do NOT believe in the trinity.

No one’s being uncharitable here.
 
Since the Book of Mormon denies Christian verity, they are not a Christian church.
Are you talking about the very existence of the BoM, and its denial of the final composition of that book, or the messages of the BoM? There is a lot of Christian content in the BoM, since much of it was copied and paraphrased from the Bible. And much of the BoM contains solidly Protestant teachings.

Yes, there is content which is contrary to the teachings of the Bible. This is one reason why they accept those which are cautious about it.

And there are plenty of teachings, consistent with the Bible, in the BoM, which condemn the Brighamite church as it is today.
 
Are you talking about the very existence of the BoM, and its denial of the final composition of that book, or the messages of the BoM? There is a lot of Christian content in the BoM, since much of it was copied and paraphrased from the Bible. And much of the BoM contains solidly Protestant teachings.

Yes, there is content which is contrary to the teachings of the Bible. This is one reason why they accept those which are cautious about it.

And there are plenty of teachings, consistent with the Bible, in the BoM, which condemn the Brighamite church as it is today.
I mean to say that since there are parts of the BoM which deny fundamental Christian teaching, the LDS belief that it is the word of God, despite those contradictions, means that the LDS is not a Christian church body. The fact that parts of it are in accord with the Scriptures makes them no more Christian than parts of the Qu’ran which are in accord with the Scriptures makes Muslims Christian.
 
Wow, about half of your statements are incorrect…
Said in regards to
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If by CoC you mean Church of Christ you are completely wrong. Both books are man created, uninspired by God. The believe in multiple gods, Jesus and Satan are spirit children of God, that men can become gods, Jesus death was insufficient to atone for our sins, everyone will go to some form of heaven, only LDS who leave the church will go to hell (outer darkness), salvation is based on works, still teach polygamy, still teach that people of color were cursed in a pre-mortal existence, a woman’s salvation is tied to her obedience to her husband, etc… None of these things has any place at a CoC.
But you’re not going to point out what IS incorrect? Don’t you want to help clarify something if someone’s mistaken? :confused:

Since Janderich is quick to complain but not to explain, I’ll try to clear things up.

Yes, they believe that mutliple gods EXIST, but they don’t worship anyone other that the God they call God The Father/Elohim.

Yes, they believe Jesus and Satan (along with all of us as well) are spirit children of God and we’re all therefore spirit brothers and sisters as well.

Yes, they believe that men can progress to become gods just like God did.

No, they DO believe that Jesus’ atonement was sufficient to redeem us (the atonement that happened in the Garden of Gethsemane); however they don’t actually put a lot of emphasis on His death because they considered all the work done in the Garden. The atonement and then resurrection is what they focus on.

No, they do not believe everyone will go to some form of heaven. It’s just pretty difficult to get into Hell- you have to have KNOWN that the LDS church was the true church and deny it anyway. In other words, people like me that have left the LDS church are pretty much the only ones that’ll be there. The murderers, traitors, and other evil people will get to go to the lowest degree of heaven, provided they never heard about the LDS church before their deaths.

Salvation in the LDS church is based on works AND grace.

They’ve officially condemned polygamy, but believe that it’ll be practiced in Heaven. Example: If a man’s wife dies, he can remarry and be sealed to another woman in the temple because he’s allowed to have more than one wife in Heaven. If a woman’s husband dies, she cannot remarry in the temple because she can’t have more than one husband. However, the church will recognize the civil marriage of two people that have both been previously sealed in the temple without a problem. A man that hasn’t been previously sealed can’t marry a woman that has, though; even civilly. He HAS to be sealed to someone in order to attain the highest level of heaven.

They don’t believe that people of color were CURSED in the premortal existence. As it was explained to me in my Laurel class, people of color were the spirits that didn’t want the responsibility of holding the priesthood because of it’s power. They asked to be turned a darker color so they didn’t have to deal with that responsibility. By the late 1970’s, all the spirits that didn’t want that responsibility had come to earth already, and so that ban was rescinded.

A woman’s salvation isn’t necessarily tied to obedience to her husband (officially), but if a woman doesn’t get sealed to someone she can’t attain the highest degree of heaven. It is also traditionally a lot harder for a woman to successfully request to get her sealing broken than it is for a man.

There ya go. Janderich, next time you want to refute something please explain. Don’t just play the victim.
 
I mean to say that since there are parts of the BoM which deny fundamental Christian teaching, the LDS belief that it is the word of God, despite those contradictions, means that the LDS is not a Christian church body. The fact that parts of it are in accord with the Scriptures makes them no more Christian than parts of the Qu’ran which are in accord with the Scriptures makes Muslims Christian.
I agree totally with that. The LDS teaches that the BoM, in toto, is the word of God, which is consistent with the Muslim attitude towards the Qu’ran.

I was talking about the CoC, which is substantially different in their beliefs about the book.
 
I agree totally with that. The LDS teaches that the BoM, in toto, is the word of God, which is consistent with the Muslim attitude towards the Qu’ran.

I was talking about the CoC, which is substantially different in their beliefs about the book.
Yes, the CoC has a much more cautious approach to the BoM than the LDS does. However, they do accept it as a revelation from God (along with the Doctrine and Covenants), which places them in the same category as the LDS in agreeing that God’s word has contradicted itself (of course, they don’t say that it’s a contradiction, but it is). So while the attitude may be slightly different, the end result is the same.

Using the Qu’ran, again, as an example, I would hardly consider myself Christian if I stated that while I don’t believe the Qu’ran improves upon the Bible or replaces it, I believe that God really revealed Himself to Muhammad and the Qu’ran is the result of that revelation.
 
Wow what a judgmental attitude; you know barely anything about them… They’re a mainline protestant sect! I suppose I am in a heretical cult as well. The Church of England! 🤷
This is why I trust the Catholics. Without the apostolic succession, you wind up in situations of having people change or deny parts of the faith, and you have nothing to point to to say “that’s not Christian”. Is a Mormon a prostestant Christian? it depends? Do you think that there will be more revelations after the NT? Then Mormons and for that matter Muslims are Protestants. Do you have to believe in the Trinity? If not you have to accept Jehovah’s Witnesses as Christians. Is Hell fundemental? If not, Josh Olsteen is a gospel preacher. Without someone to make that ruling, Christianity means nothing more than “a religion that professes that a nice guy named Jesus existed and did some stuff in Palestine”.

It’s not possible to remove judgementalism from the process without essentially throwing open the doors to any definition of Christianity that people like. Either the Mormons have the true faith or they do not. If they don’t they are as much Heretics as Pelegians or Ebionites or Arians or Judeizers.
 
So while the attitude may be slightly different, the end result is the same.
It all differs among the individuals. One of my best teachers about Mormonism has a strong RLDS background. My respect for RLDS has more to do with Nauvoo history, and some deeper teachings of the LDS.
 
If by CoC you mean Church of Christ you are completely wrong. Both books are man created, uninspired by God. The believe in multiple gods, Jesus and Satan are spirit children of God, that men can become gods, Jesus death was insufficient to atone for our sins, everyone will go to some form of heaven, only LDS who leave the church will go to hell (outer darkness), salvation is based on works, still teach polygamy, still teach that people of color were cursed in a pre-mortal existence, a woman’s salvation is tied to her obedience to her husband, etc… None of these things has any place at a CoC.
If you’re going to post a response, then please pay attention.
 
Would the LDS Church be considered Protestant?

How would you explain the Mormon Church when it comes to Orthodoxy, Catholicism and Protestantism?
From the Latter-day Saint perspective, we are not Protestant, and do not consider ourselves as such, primarily because we do not see ourselves as “reforming” the Church (which is what Protestant historically referred to), but rather we see ourselves as a “restoration” of Christ’s ancient Church, by God Himself. A number of other churches can also fall under this “restorationism” branch, such as Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, Seventh-day Adventist, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc.

In general, non-Latter-day Saints view us as non-Christian (and therefore not Protestant), since we do not hold to the traditional Trinity doctrine of God. So either way, the answer is that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not considered Protestant.
 
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