I think this is a very good description. I’d only clarify, Protestants consider their actions against Catholicism as a restoration. Reforming in order to restore. Mormonism is just one more form of Christian primitivism.
The problem is that the church of Christ, and the Community of Christ share initials.
But you’re not going to point out what IS incorrect? Don’t you want to help clarify something if someone’s mistaken?
Since Janderich is quick to complain but not to explain, I’ll try to clear things up.
Yes, they believe that multiple gods EXIST, but they don’t worship anyone other that the God they call God The Father/Elohim. Agreed.
Yes, they believe Jesus and Satan (along with all of us as well) are spirit children of God and we’re all therefore spirit brothers and sisters as well. Agreed.
Yes, they believe that men can progress to become gods just like God did. Yes, this may be, but it is important to note that it will be a long time after the resurrection and God will always be greater than us.
No, they DO believe that Jesus’ atonement was sufficient to redeem us (the atonement that happened in the Garden of Gethsemane); however they don’t actually put a lot of emphasis on His death because they considered all the work done in the Garden. The atonement and then resurrection is what they focus on. Fine.
No, they do not believe everyone will go to some form of heaven. It’s just pretty difficult to get into Hell- you have to have KNOWN that the LDS church was the true church and deny it anyway. In other words, people like me that have left the LDS church are pretty much the only ones that’ll be there. The murderers, traitors, and other evil people will get to go to the lowest degree of heaven, provided they never heard about the LDS church before their deaths. I believe your statement about who goes to hell (outer darkness) is still too broad and I in no way believe you would be considered one. It is not enough, simply to have left the church. Joseph Smith taught that to become a son of perdition, a person must “have the heavens opened unto him, and know God…He has got to say that the sun does not shine while he sees it; he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have been opened unto him, and to deny the plan of salvation with his eyes open to the truth of it” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.358). Spencer W. Kimball said, “The sin against the Holy Ghost requires such knowledge that it is manifestly impossible for the rank and file to commit such a sin” (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p.123)" Such an one must desire to put Christ to death anew if he were able.
Salvation in the LDS church is based on works AND grace. Agreed.
They’ve officially condemned polygamy, but believe that it’ll be practiced in Heaven. Example: If a man’s wife dies, he can remarry and be sealed to another woman in the temple because he’s allowed to have more than one wife in Heaven. If a woman’s husband dies, she cannot remarry in the temple because she can’t have more than one husband. However, the church will recognize the civil marriage of two people that have both been previously sealed in the temple without a problem. A man that hasn’t been previously sealed can’t marry a woman that has, though; even civilly. He HAS to be sealed to someone in order to attain the highest level of heaven. One may infer, but there has nothing stating such.
They don’t believe that people of color were CURSED in the premortal existence. As it was explained to me in my Laurel class, people of color were the spirits that didn’t want the responsibility of holding the priesthood because of it’s power. They asked to be turned a darker color so they didn’t have to deal with that responsibility. By the late 1970’s, all the spirits that didn’t want that responsibility had come to earth already, and so that ban was rescinded. This is definitely not doctrine. There may have been a few statements by church leaders but there is certainly nothing official.
A woman’s salvation isn’t necessarily tied to obedience to her husband (officially), but if a woman doesn’t get sealed to someone she can’t attain the highest degree of heaven. It is also traditionally a lot harder for a woman to successfully request to get her sealing broken than it is for a man. I agree a woman’s salvation is not tied to her husband. I also agree that a woman must at some point be sealed to a husband. (By the way, the reverse holds for a man). However, marriage and sealing may not happen during this life. That opportunity may yet come after death but before the resurrection. I have never heard that it is more difficult for a woman to get a sealing cancellation. It is difficult for either party.
There ya go. Janderich, next time you want to refute something please explain. Don’t just play the victim.
Notice the first part of my repsonse “If.” Nice link, but that poster is wrong too, Mormons aren’t Protestant and aren’t Christian. Joseph Smith reported in his first vision that he was told all Christian churches and denominations had fallen into apostasy and God was offended at their worship. To my knowledge, none of these denominations have changed in the last 190 years, so Mormons must hold they are still in apostasy. Why would Mormons want to be part of a group that offends God on a weekly basis?
Again Steve, the founder of your denomination taught close to the same thing, the apostacy/restoration dichotomy.
Most Protestants will deny to their tomb that Mormons are Protestants. Protestant thought gave birth to Mormon thought. I recall that Joseph Smith had attended a Presbyterian church and his family a congregational church of some sort. The parents of Joseph Smith attended some form of Protestant church and Joseph decided that everyone was wrong.
Mi,You know nothing about protestantism OR Mormonism, I wouldn’t expect you too! Unless your a convert from either your in no position to judge the beliefs and practices of other Churches.
**Your opinions are all based on outside observations and stereotypes. Wow. All the judgement here.
Unless you’ve been mormon or protestant, You have no right to tell them or me what is wrong and what is right. **
Do you see me telling Catholics here that their faith is wrong?!
Jan,
If comes a man tomorrow whose name would be Jesus and I think he is my saviour because I feel he is my saviour would make me Christian too then.
Would it be fair to say that as you write what they think would be considered anathema?
I agree it is extremely insulting to Christianity and what they believe and proclaim is blasphemy.
Then it would be fair to say you would agree with anathema.
Anathema is everything coming from you, from the inside of yourself, expecially making you feel good and maybe others too, but going subtle or openly against the Person you affirm is your guide.
It is not just that. It is because you believe in a different God, a different Christ, and a very weak and dishonest Christ.
I am not understanding your notion of Anathema as it regards feelings and guides. You are saying that if it does not make them feel well then they are anathema. They do have a burning in their bosom as a sign of faith. I am not sure how that makes them feel.
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, while rejecting the traditional doctrine of the Trinity, believe that Jesus Christ is the divine Son of God, our Lord and Savior, one of the members of the Godhead, and most certainly is the Creator. Latter-day Saints believe that through the atoning sacrifice of our Savior Jesus Christ, we can become heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ (Romans 8:17), participating in the same life that God lives, becoming gods. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ do not believe that we become gods through any power of our own, but that it is only by God’s grace, and our accepting of His grace, demonstrated by continuous faith in Jesus Christ, continuous repentance, and following the Lord’s commandments.
I don’t think you are understanding, Mormons believe Jesus Christ is both creator and created. A God among gods. You’ve taken HIs name and use it in false teachings, which Jeff Lindsay only underlines in bold red.
The first article I linked to addresses the Latter-day Saint understanding of this issue, hence why I linked to it.
(For Mormon theology, I’m using this site (and subsequent links) for my source.)
To orthodox Christianity: Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God, a member of the Godhead, born of the Father before all ages God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial (one in Being, distinct Person, but of same essence) with the Father.
To orthodox Christianity: Christ, by being consubstantial with the Father, was most certainly the Creator. As the Father is maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible, it was through Christ that all things were made.
To orthodox Christianity: As God said on Mount Sinai: “I AM the Lord, your God. Thou shall not have other gods besides me.” Therefore, when the Psalms say we will be made “little less than the gods,” the Prophets of the Old Testament say we will “become gods,” Christ says that we will “become gods,” and St Athanasius writing that “God became man so that men might become gods,” we mean that through Christ’s Incarnation (God becoming man in the flesh), by partaking in the Covenant Christ established, we the partake in the Divine Nature of God, having our bodies glorified and made perfect after the Resurrection, so that we can forever worship perfectly in the Heavenly Liturgy of the Book of St John’s Revelations (or Apocalypse) for all Eternity.
You don’t even understand what you are talking about and your insult to Christianity and how you do it. And you are deeply unwilling not to want to understand why. We would just like you and mormons understand why. Your wrongness is in the relativism of divinity while Christianity rely in absolutisms.
