Mormonism: God's "literal" spirit-children??

[MaHeRsHaLaL]

This isnt “bashing”. The LDS REALLY teach these things, anything that is presented that is inaccurate should be gladly corrected. This issue of producing spirit children by God having relations with a goddess is apparently a true belief of Mormons…but one that carries serious consequences and not a comfortable topic for many obviously. From my understanding this is one of those doctrines that we outsiders are not supposed to learn until after we convert to Mormonism.

From a Catholic perspective when heretical doctrine is being taught that means souls are potentially in grave danger to fall into those heresies, it is a good idea to expose them.

If it makes you feel better, then yes it is a teaching of the Mormon church.
Now to make you feel bad. It is not hidden and no one is lying about it. It is taught in the new member/investigator class in a couple of the early lessons and also in the last lesson.

 

[majick275]

then why do so many mormon posters here claim it’s not doctrine, not taught, etc.?

 

[MaHeRsHaLaL]

then why do so many mormon posters here claim it’s not doctrine, not taught, etc.?

let’s be very clear about what we are talking about. The church teaches that we have both a heavenly mother and father, that we are their literal offspring. The means by which we are conceived is not stated in the doctrine of the church.

 

[PaulDupre]

You should do no less. However calling members and missionaries liars is a different matter.
My point in copying the previous statement was that anyone can say those types of slanderous things about others. I hear the same things about JW’s and Catholics from other sources and I think it is terrible in those cases as well.
We were having a nice conversation about doctrine and quoting scripture when all of the sudden this person steps in and starts flailing the sword of “Oh yeah… well look what they did to me!”

You were the one who asked the question:

MaHeRsHaLaL:

You guys are absolutely obsessed with Mormons!!! I can’t believe you even care what they think. You write them off as nut cases and satan worshipers and yet you continually bring up their teachings?

Why?

I merely answered your question honestly. If you don’t want to read such things, then don’t ask such questions and don’t accuse people of being “obsessed”.

Paul

 

[PaulDupre]

let’s be very clear about what we are talking about. The church teaches that we have both a heavenly mother and father, that we are their literal offspring. The means by which we are conceived is not stated in the doctrine of the church.

I think it’s pretty clear:

“Chapter 2: Our Heavenly Family,” Gospel Principles, 11

We Are Children of Our Heavenly Father
God is not only our ruler and creator; he is also our Heavenly Father. “All men and women are … literally the sons and daughters of Deity. … Man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the earth in a temporal [physical] body” (Joseph F. Smith, “The Origin of Man,” Improvement Era, Nov. 1909, pp. 78, 80).

Mormons leaders have always stressed the term “begotten” to lead members to understand that Jesus was begotten by his father “in the same way that we are begotten by our fathers” (that is, sexually - see below). When they expressly use the same terminology when describing our conception in the pre-mortal existence, why should anyone assume that the conception is not the result of a sexual union between the heavenly father and his wives?

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I want the little folks [children] to hear what I am going to tell you. I am going to tell you a simple truth, yet it is one of the greatest truths and one of the most simple facts ever revealed to the children of men.
You all know that your fathers are indeed your fathers and that your mothers are indeed your mothers - you all know that don’t you? You cannot deny it. Now, we are told in scriptures that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh. Well, now for the benefit of the older ones, how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father…Now my little friends, I will repeat again in words as simple as I can, and you ask your parents about it, that God, the Eternal Father, is literally the father of Jesus Christ. (Joseph F. Smith, Box Elder Stake Conference Dec 20, 1914 as quoted in Brigham City Box Elder News, 28 Jan, 1915, pp.1-2.) (Family Home Evening [Manual], Personal Commitment, copyright 1972 by Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, pages 125-126).

They may not talk about it as openly as they did in 1972 (what with the attempt to mainstream and all), but it is still Mormon doctrine.

Paul

 

[majick275]

let’s be very clear about what we are talking about. The church teaches that we have both a heavenly mother and father, that we are their literal offspring. The means by which we are conceived is not stated in the doctrine of the church.

you are rare person indeed who makes that claim here. most mormons on this site would tell you that’s speculation. not in the standard works and then switch subjects. some have even claimed there was no such thing as eternal progression.

My experience is that the LDS teaches that God (Elohim) was once a man like us on another world with a Heavenly Father of his own who through faith and obedience achieved exaltation and is now in “Heaven” with his wives with who “birthed” our spirits (no specifics on how conceived or birthed) which were “infused” with our existing “intelligences” (no specifics on that). If we we are worthy of exaltation then we can become just like him and he will then be a God of Gods like his heavenly father. (and so and so on) this leaves as somewhat problematic then the relationship we will have with our worthy siblings that are sealed to us and parents, grandparents, children, grandchildren, etc.

That is the mormon teaching on eternal progression that I am speaking to on this thread. (literal spirit children)

 

[Catholic_Dude]

If it makes you feel better, then yes it is a teaching of the Mormon church.
Now to make you feel bad. It is not hidden and no one is lying about it. It is taught in the new member/investigator class in a couple of the early lessons and also in the last lesson.

If you say so, the funny thing is you are the first LDS to directly respond to my original question.

 

[MaHeRsHaLaL]

you are rare person indeed who makes that claim here. most mormons on this site would tell you that’s speculation. not in the standard works and then switch subjects. some have even claimed there was no such thing as eternal progression.

My experience is that the LDS teaches that God (Elohim) was once a man like us on another world with a Heavenly Father of his own who through faith and obedience achieved exaltation and is now in “Heaven” with his wives with who “birthed” our spirits (no specifics on how conceived or birthed) which were “infused” with our existing “intelligences” (no specifics on that). If we we are worthy of exaltation then we can become just like him and he will then be a God of Gods like his heavenly father. (and so and so on) this leaves as somewhat problematic then the relationship we will have with our worthy siblings that are sealed to us and parents, grandparents, children, grandchildren, etc.

That is the mormon teaching on eternal progression that I am speaking to on this thread. (literal spirit children)

As a quick and dirty rundown of the doctrine of eternal progression you got it! I will not hide from what I believe or the official doctrines of the church.
I do not however take well to Mormon bashing. I was raised anti-mormon and am pretty familiar with what they have to say. Since my conversion I have spent plenty of time reading about doctrines and scriptures and have interest in listening to people spout off misinformation, half-truths and family horror stories about the church.
Besides all that I am curious about the beliefs of others and why they believe them. I’m not interested in converting anyone (and from the sounds of it none of you are interested in being converted .) I’ve found that discussing others beliefs helps me strengthen my own. It makes me look things up, and ask questions.

 

[MaHeRsHaLaL]

If you say so, the funny thing is you are the first LDS to directly respond to my original question.

Feel free to ask me what the church teaches, I’m not a general authority, but I’m certainly not ashamed.

 

[majick275]

As a quick and dirty rundown of the doctrine of eternal progression you got it! I will not hide from what I believe or the official doctrines of the church.
I do not however take well to Mormon bashing. I was raised anti-mormon and am pretty familiar with what they have to say. Since my conversion I have spent plenty of time reading about doctrines and scriptures and have interest in listening to people spout off misinformation, half-truths and family horror stories about the church.
Besides all that I am curious about the beliefs of others and why they believe them. I’m not interested in converting anyone (and from the sounds of it none of you are interested in being converted .) I’ve found that discussing others beliefs helps me strengthen my own. It makes me look things up, and ask questions.

I salute you fro being honest and courageous enough to publicly state this. I obviously disagree with this doctrine But I respect you for owning up to it.