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CyrilSebastian
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Emma Hale Smith was the main signatory of a petition in 1842, with a thousand female signatures, denying that Joseph Smith wad connected with polygamy.
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Randy_Carson
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Maybe they’re tired of being woken up on Saturday mornings, too.
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Randy_Carson
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Would allowing polygamy be a redefinition of the word “marriage”? Is polygamy something new?
Genesis 16:3: So, after Abram had lived ten years in the land of Canaan, Sarai, Abram’s wife, took Hagar the Egyptian, her slave-girl, and gave her to her husband Abram as a wife.
Genesis 29:20-28: So Jacob served seven years for Rachel, and they seemed to him but a few days because of the love he had for her. Then Jacob said to Laban, “Give me my wife that I may go in to her, for my time is completed.” So Laban gathered together all the people of the place and made a feast. But in the evening he took his daughter Leah and brought her to Jacob, and he went in to her. (Laban gave** his female servant Zilpah to his daughter Leah to be her servant.) And in the morning, behold, it was Leah! And Jacob said to Laban, “What is this you have done to me? Did I not serve with you for Rachel? Why then have you deceived me?” Laban said, “It is not so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn. Complete the week of this one, and we will give you the other also in return for serving me another seven years.” Jacob did so, and completed her week. Then Laban gave him his daughter Rachel to be his wife.
Judges 8:29-32: Jerubbaal the son of Joash went and lived in his own house. Now Gideon had seventy sons, his own offspring,for he had many wives. And his concubine who was in Shechem also bore him a son, and he called his name Abimelech.
1 Samuel 1:1-2: There was a certain man of Ramathaim-zophim of the hill country of Ephraim whose name was Elkanah the son of Jeroham, son of Elihu, son of Tohu, son of Zuph, an Ephrathite. He had two wives. The name of the one was Hannah, and the name of the other, Peninnah.
2 Samuel 3:2-5: And sons were born to David at Hebron: his firstborn was Amnon, of Ahinoam of Jezreel; and his second, Chileab, of Abigail the widow of Nabal of Carmel; and the third, Absalom the son of Maacah the daughter of Talmai king of Geshur; and the fourth, Adonijah the son of Haggith; and the fifth, Shephatiah the son of Abital; and the sixth, Ithream, of Eglah, David’s wife. These were born to David in Hebron.
1 Kings 11:1-3: Now King Solomon loved many foreign women, along with the daughter of Pharaoh: Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian, and Hittite women, from the nations concerning which the Lord had said to the people of Israel, “You shall not enter into marriage with them, neither shall they with you, for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods.” Solomon clung to these in love. He had 700 wives, who were princesses, and 300 concubines. And his wives turned away his heart.**
It would be for this country, yes.
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SAVINGRACE
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Had a family friend in Papua New Guinea who married two wives which was permitted as long as he could afford to keep take care of them.
He told my Dad and his other mates that it was an unwise decision and for all of them to be thankful for and stick to their one wife.
His wives gave him all sorts of headaches and ganged up on him often. When he bought the senior wife a house, the junior wife resented living with her so he ended up buying her one as well. He bought the senior wife a Toyota Sahara and the junior wife demanded one as well. He sent the children of the senior wife to a christian boarding school and when the junior wife heard about it, she demanded the same for her children (as any mother would).
He told my Dad and his other mates that it was an unwise decision and for all of them to be thankful for and stick to their one wife.
His wives gave him all sorts of headaches and ganged up on him often. When he bought the senior wife a house, the junior wife resented living with her so he ended up buying her one as well. He bought the senior wife a Toyota Sahara and the junior wife demanded one as well. He sent the children of the senior wife to a christian boarding school and when the junior wife heard about it, she demanded the same for her children (as any mother would).
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RebeccaJ
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Utah anti-polygamy law declared unconstitutional…
abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/sister-wives-star-kody-brown-wins-case-polygamy/story?id=25179092
State of Utah is appealing…
sltrib.com/news/1689789-155/utah-ruling-law-families-family-multiple
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iepuras
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Why? Isn’t it important that the truth come out? Would you rather see faithful Mormons continue to be deceived? I am happy the LDS church is starting to acknowledge the truth (albeit they are still not being entirely forthcoming with the complete truth) and that because of the publicity the essays are receiving more Mormons are starting to see that they have been deceived.
Many ex-Mormons have paid a heavy price for the truth in lost relationships, jobs and reputation. While I have sympathy for Mormons who are struggling with the truth and the consequent fall out, it is better for them to know the truth and learn to free themselves than to continue believing a false prophet.
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iepuras
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I agree. Plus, it would be redefining marriage from the way God established it in the beginning. It was Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Eve, Jennifer and Emily.
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iepuras
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Based on the recent activity on ex-Mormon online forums, there has already been an affect, which is a good thing. I normally ignore Mormon related posts on my Facebook feed, but I actually responded to a FB friend who decided to insult all the LDS and former LDS who didn’t know about the extent of Joseph’s polygamy. Somehow, it is all our fault that we didn’t know these things and if we react by leaving, well, that is our fault too.
The LDS church has already thrown Brigham Young under the bus because of the racially-motivated priesthood ban. The question is who are they going to throw under the bus for Joseph’s polygamy/adultery? They can’t really throw Joseph Smith under the bus because then they would have no basis for claiming he restored the “true church”. I think they have to throw God under the bus by saying that God commanded Joseph to do it (through the angel of course) and that if faithful Mormons have a problem with it, they have a problem with being obedient to God.
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Randy_Carson
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How about something like:
Joseph Smith and Brigham Young had some issues that we don’t agree with today, but what religion doesn’t? At least they got us going in the right direction, and today, the Church is better and stronger than ever.
Would that fly?
Joseph Smith and Brigham Young had some issues that we don’t agree with today, but what religion doesn’t? At least they got us going in the right direction, and today, the Church is better and stronger than ever.
Would that fly?
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Thorolfr
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So do you think that Abraham, Jacob, Elkanah (the father of Samuel), David and Solomon were doing something displeasing to God by practicing polygamy? God said of David, “I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart” (Acts 13:22).
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iepuras
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I recommend reading through this thread starting on page 19 for a discussion on OT polygamy.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=914014&page=19
Where did Jesus ever teach that polygamy ok? Divorce was allowed in OT, but did God approve of that? Jesus made it clear that divorce was tolerated because of the hard-heartedness of the people. That doesn’t mean He liked it or found it pleasing. Same thing with polygamy. Jesus brought us back to God’s standard for marriage in the beginning.
Are there any happy stories from the OT that are the result of polygamy? Polygamy is the cause of many sins including jealousy, murder, rebellion, idolatry, etc. Did any of the polygamists you mentioned have happy families? While the OT does not explicitly condemn polygamy, the writers certainly wrote of all the problems associated with it and indirectly showed how polygamy is not a good thing.
So, yes, I do think that men such as Abraham, Jacob, Elkanah, David and Solomon were doing something displeasing to God with their polygamy. It certainly caused a lot of problems, but even in all the problems, God showed His mercy to them. Just because God is merciful doesn’t mean He is pleased with or condones sin. God revealed Himself slowly, over time. These men from the OT did not have the full revelation of God in Jesus Christ.
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Thorolfr
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There were numerous prophets sent by God in the Old Testament and not one of them said anything condemning polygamy. God tells Jeramiah (15:19), for example, “you shall serve as my mouth”. So why didn’t God ever say anything through one of these prophets who were acting as His mouth about polygamy being displeasing to Him?
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iepuras
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Why are you also not asking why these same prophets did not condemn divorce? Jesus clearly condemned divorce and stated that remarriage after divorce is adultery. Why didn’t those same prophets also condemn divorce?
Are you trying to say that God set out polygamous marriage from the beginning and that is why men in the OT did it? Just because someone does something in the Bible doesn’t mean that it was a good thing. Abram was deceptive about Sarai being his sister and not his wife (Genesis 12), but that doesn’t make lying ok, does it?
Polygamy denies the inherent dignity God gave to women. It was not part of marriage that God established in the beginning. If you believe otherwise, please show me where God established polygamy in the beginning.
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JHow
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Why does this thread title make me think of St. Ives? How many cats and kits did he have? 40^3?
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PaulDupre1
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There is nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:9). All heresies are old heresies.
Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
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PaulDupre1
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Bingo!
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Chris-WA
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There have been quite a few LDS historians who have either been excommunicated or disfellowshipped for writing about these issues. Now that the LDS church is starting to publicly admit some of these historical problems that it previously denied or ignored, is it going to excommunicate itself?
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JaminB123
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As I studied both men, I felt the same way and all I could think was, “Well, there’s a reason why Jesus himself warned us of false prophets.” He was warning us about men like Mohammed, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, L. Ron Hubbard, and their ilk. These warnings weren’t for naught. Because we didn’t listen to Christ’s warnings, there’s not a Muslim border today that doesn’t know warfare and violence. Although Mormons are tame by comparison, how many souls have they led astray? Beware of any man who calls himself prophet… especially when they behave like scoudrals.
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” Matt 7:15
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