mormonism

[Pillar_of_Fire]

How do you answer from the bible to refute the great apostasy
theory? My friend tells up up to a certain number of popes the
church became invalid. How should i respond?

thankyou, God bless

pillar-of-fire

 

[SingleMomMonica]

How do you answer from the bible to refute the great apostasy
theory? My friend tells up up to a certain number of popes the
church became invalid. How should i respond?

thankyou, God bless

pillar-of-fire

The Bible says, “The Gates of Hell will not Prevail” over the Church and Jesus promised the “Holy Spirit would guide in all Truth”, etc.

Yet, most of the proof that the great apostasy is the history of the entire Church, including secular historians from the early Church times, provide the proof that the great apostasy never took place.

Plus common sense tells us that God would certainly Not take on Human Flesh, be born into this world, suffer and DIE in order to give us a Church which only until the Apostles died…this idea is just ridiculous.

AND according to the LDS Church, although they typically hide this from Non-Temple-Worthy-Mormons, they believe that the Apostle John and another Apostle (I forget which one) never died - which would mean that the great apostasy couldn’t have happened because 2 of the Apostles were still around, so the Church was never lost because Jesus said, “Where two or three are gathered, there am I in their mist”. Some Mormons even speculate that the sightings of Big Foot are actually sightings of these Apostles. They base this silly notion on John 21:23. This simply shows that their own bizarre teachings contradict their other bizarre teachings. (a couple of Missionaries accidently let this teaching of theirs slip once and once I showed them from their own doctrine that the great apostasy could have never occured, they never came around ever again).

My mom is a member of LDS and is actually attending RCIA now as she may become Catholic.

 

[Randy_Carson]

How do you answer from the bible to refute the great apostasy
theory? My friend tells up up to a certain number of popes the
church became invalid. How should i respond?

thankyou, God bless

pillar-of-fire

In Search of “the great apostasy”
By Patrick Madrid

catholic.com/thisrock/1992/9203fea.asp

 

[ricko]

Imagine this, the Mormons are throwing a “Great Apostasy” party but nobody shows up. If nobody shows up, was there a “Great Apostasy” party? Hardly, if the apostasy happened it was without the knowledge of the Church or historians or anyone else during those times. During the supposed apostasy, things were moving right along in the Church with the Apostles spreading the Word and the Early Church Fathers and councils and establising the Canon of the bible. So to say there was an apostasy leaves us saying “Where’s the beef?”

 

[thistle]

How do you answer from the bible to refute the great apostasy
theory? My friend tells up up to a certain number of popes the
church became invalid. How should i respond?

thankyou, God bless

pillar-of-fire

Ask the Mormons when the Great Apostasy happened. They are unable to tell you and scramble around saying it was a process which is rubbish of course. Apostasy is instant so they should be able to give a date.

 

[agangbern]

How do you answer from the bible to refute the great apostasy
theory? My friend tells up up to a certain number of popes the
church became invalid. How should i respond?

thankyou, God bless

pillar-of-fire

If that thing they call Great Apostasy had indeed occurred, then surely we would not be here now on this earth anymore. For it is written that,

“the day of the Lord will come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opoposes and is exalted above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sits in the temple of God and gives himself out as if he were God….”

“And then the wicked one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of his mouth and will destroy with the brightness of his coming.” (2Thes 2:3-8)

When the so-called Great Apostasy happens, Jesus’ glorious coming shall quickly follow with a “breath” that will destroy the wicked one.

Jesus’ glorious coming has not yet occurred. That is a fact which cannot be doubted. Therefore, we are certain that the great apostacy has not yet occurred too!

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

Ask the Mormons when the Great Apostasy happened. They are unable to tell you and scramble around saying it was a process which is rubbish of course. Apostasy is instant so they should be able to give a date.

Also, in the case that an actual date is given, pay attention to the date. If they believe that the date is prior to the canonization of the Bible, ask how come they accept the canonization of the Bible which was determined by, what they would believe to be, an apostate Church. If it is after the canonization of the Bible, ask why certain beliefs of this post canon Church (which would also be the apostate Church to them) hold all the same beliefs as the early Church held i.e. the Real Presence, infant Baptism, so on and so forth, as taught by the Early Church Fathers and the Scriptures, while their Church does not .

God bless

 

[CentralFLJames]

I don’t think anyone should be trusting their souls on the Mormon eschatological track record and failed prophesies. If Jesus returned on the dates (he revised it a few times) Smith said then we would each by Mormon reckoning “be gods” by now and ruling our own planets somewhere.

Mormons don’t have a history of their own to stand on and so they have no alternative but to revise and reinterpret the history of The Church.

James

 

[catholic1seeks]

In Search of “the great apostasy”
By Patrick Madrid

catholic.com/thisrock/1992/9203fea.asp

Be sure to look at this article, though. I’ve read it before on www.ewtn.com.

“If Mormons want their claim of a complete apostasy as to be taken seriously, they must evince biblical and historical evidence supporting it. So far they’ve come up empty-handed. Honest investigators will see the unavoidable truth: The Mormon “great apostasy” doctrine is a myth. There never has been—nor will there ever be—a complete apostasy. Jesus Christ promised that his Church, established on the solid rock of Peter, will remain forever. We have his Word on it.”

 

[MGLechner]

There was a great apostasy…it happened in 19th Century New England…when a young man was “told” by an Angel to go dig up some “gold plates” that were buried in the ground.

 

[agangbern]

There was a great apostasy…it happened in 19th Century New England…when a young man was “told” by an Angel to go dig up some “gold plates” that were buried in the ground.

Are you not joking?

 

[thistle]

Are you not joking?

MGLechner is simply pointing out that Mormonism is the joke and a completely false religion. It beats me why Mormons don’t see the truth.

 

[Randy_Carson]

There was a great apostasy…it happened in 19th Century New England…when a young man was “told” by an Angel to go dig up some “gold plates” that were buried in the ground.

MG -

Do you by chance have relative in NC?

PM me…I would have PM’d you but you seem to have that feature turned off.