This would be the only one I’d object to - when Jesus died for us, it could be claimed that there were only a handful of loyal members. He was denied or betrayed by those that were beloved by Him. I’m also leery of proclaiming that might-makes-right, for in the future we all may be distant minorities.
This is a discussion forum. We discuss topics related to the forum and thread topic. Indeed, a discussion forum more times than not discusses things that have already been discussed multiple times. Obviously the purpose is not to get us to change our minds about our agreement or disagreement with LDS beliefs (perhaps you misunderstand the purpose of this forum). In this thread, we are discussing supposed 17 points that the true church must have, and demonstrating why, in our view, the points are erroneous in a number of ways. Point out specifically where I stated that I want you to go through all 17 points. If you are actually reading my posts, you would note that I stated, “As well, it would be helpful if you could at least address a few of the points being brought up by multiple people…” What you have done repeatedly in this thread is dismiss out of hand criticisms of the 17 points, calling them unconvincing, that the points are defensible, etc. You offer no substantive thought or counter-point to anything (and if you think that you have in prior threads, perhaps you should point out the specific posts in which this was done). What is interesting is that I and others have offered our thoughts and criticisms of the points, and you don’t offer anything, except hand-waving dismissal.
Point 1: it’s the church Christ personally established before his death.
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Actually, a thread was started for you about a year ago, so you could give us a reason why you believe the Book of Mormon was true. One thread, One topic. In that thread, you never gave one reason. I don’t mean you gave a reason that we questioned, I mean you NEVER gave one reason at all. I question that the number 17 really makes it difficult when one was impossible.
Richard Lyman Bushman:
While Mormons may act like reason matters, it does not. So no argument would be convincing to a Mormon because it is clear that reason does not matter and an argument requires reason.
TexunNite, I don’t know why you always expect me to apologize for being a Mormon. Why would I apologize?
IFirst, please learn to spell. Texan is not hard to spell.
No, I never said that nor is that what Richard Lyman Bushman said. Using quotes to give the impression that I said that is dishonest. As a Catholic, I don’t have to be dishonest to defend my religion.
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That is true. The fact that the Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus Christ established, coupled with the fact that the Bible nowhere supports a total apostasy/loss of the Church (the Kingdom of God), is enough.
