I’m so glad Telstar has rejoined us.
Thanks.
I must say that I was a little surprised to see you’ve returned. But, it’s always good to have someone to debate about Mormon vs Catholic teaching.
With pleasure. 2 Peter 2:1, in the KJV. Does your bible use a different form?
I note that in tens of thousands of pages of LDS general conference talks the word “heresy” also only arises once.
As a matter of fact, it is slightly different in the DR version:
“
2 Peter 2: [1] But there were also
false prophets among the people, even as
there shall be among you lying teachers, who shall bring in
sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction. [2] And many shall follow their riotousnesses,
through whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. [3] And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you. Whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their perdition slumbereth not.”
But, that quote doesn’t say anything about babies going to hell or predestination. So, I’m still wondering where he would have mentioned either of those things. Maybe I’m just confused as to what you mean by that.
BTW… “the way of truth” (or The Way) was what the Apostles called the early Church at that time, because it was ‘the way’ that Jesus had given to them, when He also promised to always be with them, and to “lead” them “
into all truth”. St. Peter (our first Pope) was most certainly prophesying the coming of many “false prophets” in that chapter. Wasn’t he?
Yes. It was good Cardinal Ratzinger whose scholarship ended up updating the Catechism in 1994, stating the hope that unbaptized children would go to heaven. I don’t know if it’s coincidence but 1994 is also the year that the LDS church started announcing every year in General conference that a portion of monies from our tithes were going to Catholic Charities. That change in the Catechism very much changed the attitudes of many LDS towards the Catholic church.
I’m glad that changed Mormon attitudes toward the Church, but their misunderstanding (via JS’ claims) of what the Catholic Church actually taught on the subject, was what caused the problem in the first place. It’s a shame it took them so long to realize the real truth.
I have never heard that JS ever had stated anything against infant baptism prior to translating the BoM. What is your source? Indeed, I can’t remember any teachings of JS on the infant baptism practice ever.
I wish I could find where I read that, but I can’t. I’ve read so many things about him, from so many different sources, that I can’t recall where I found it. All I remember was that he had* heard* that the CC taught this, supposedly along with ‘many’ Protestants, when he was still very young. Sorry, if that’s not true, then I apologize. But, if anyone else knows what I mean, or can find it, I’d appreciate it.
I’ve seen at least one argument on this board, not by LDS persons, that predestination is a Catholic doctrine. I’ll try to find that post. It wasn’t in the “Other Religions” section.
I’m glad you agree with me that it’s an heresy.
I’m pretty sure the Bible has references to some people being ‘predestined’ in some way, but not to the degree that they don’t have free will to make their own choice. Since God knows every heart, and every action of every man before they’re even born, so it might be seen that they were somehow ‘predestined’. But, the Catholic Church teaches that we are fully responsible for our own actions, because we always have free will to make our own choices. This goes all the way back to Adam & Eve. They had free will to choose, so they were guilty of committing the sin of disobedience against God. That’s why the belief in predestination, as taught by Calvin, is heretical.
