Mormons Building Temple in Vatican's Backyard

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Well, guys, the holy city of Rome will soon be the site of a Mormon temple. Here is the link:

ldschurchtemples.com/rome/video/

Apparently the temple will have a cross on the door to the temple - something you’ll never, ever find in or near a Mormon temple (if they can help it). Unfrortuantely, the biblically and doctrinally illiterate will most likely be impressed by the structure, and become drawn to Mormonism.

Your priests better get on the ball and start telling your folks about the doctrinal deviations of this group - I mean, shouldn’t the Pope say something?

Canterbury, as bad as it is, doesn’t have a Mormon temple in its backyard, thank the Lord!

Anglican gal
 
Little late with this…already been another thread on it. 🙂
 
Forget what the mormon says, thank you for posting this again.🙂
 
Anglican_Gal said:
Well, guys, the holy city of Rome will soon be the site of a Mormon temple. Here is the link:

ldschurchtemples.com/rome/video/

Apparently the temple will have a cross on the door to the temple - something you’ll never, ever find in or near a Mormon temple (if they can help it). Unfrortuantely, the biblically and doctrinally illiterate will most likely be impressed by the structure, and become drawn to Mormonism.

Your priests better get on the ball and start telling your folks about the doctrinal deviations of this group - I mean, shouldn’t the Pope say something?

Canterbury, as bad as it is, doesn’t have a Mormon temple in its backyard, thank the Lord!

Anglican gal
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I wouldn’t worry about it. First of all, there are plenty of equally resplendent, and superior, Catholic basilicae and other churches in Rome and the surrounding area. Secondly, a Mormon temple is not used for regular worship but rather for administration of endowments (Mormon “sacraments”). Thus, that building will be empty most of the time. Third, Brighamite Mormon temples are closed to the public. Only LDS with temple recommends can get in. It’s kind of hard to be drawn in to a locked building.

On that third point—who do you think would be drawn to Mormonism on account of a temple? Modernists, secularists, and the lapsed will walk up to the door, see that it is locked, ask an attendant and leave with the impression that Mormons are closed-minded and engaged in bigotry, or worse, that they have something to hide. Uninformed Catholics will not be wowed by the temple for the above reasons. Protestants… well… it’s Rome, so there aren’t a lot of them. Jews will not be interested, nor will Muslims… who does that leave?

So this begs the question of what exactly the point of that temple is. Frankly, I don’t think there is a point beyond nose-thumbing.
 
Anglican_Gal said:
Well, guys, the holy city of Rome will soon be the site of a Mormon temple. Here is the link:

ldschurchtemples.com/rome/video/

Apparently the temple will have a cross on the door to the temple - something you’ll never, ever find in or near a Mormon temple (if they can help it). Unfrortuantely, the biblically and doctrinally illiterate will most likely be impressed by the structure, and become drawn to Mormonism.

Your priests better get on the ball and start telling your folks about the doctrinal deviations of this group - I mean, shouldn’t the Pope say something?

Canterbury, as bad as it is, doesn’t have a Mormon temple in its backyard, thank the Lord!

Anglican gal
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I wouldn’t worry about it. First of all, there are plenty of equally resplendent, and superior, Catholic basilicae and other churches in Rome and the surrounding area. Secondly, a Mormon temple is not used for regular worship but rather for administration of endowments (Mormon “sacraments”). Thus, that building will be empty most of the time. Third, Brighamite Mormon temples are closed to the public. Only LDS with temple recommends can get in. It’s kind of hard to be drawn in to a locked building.

On that third point—who do you think would be drawn to Mormonism on account of a temple? Modernists, secularists, and the lapsed will walk up to the door, see that it is locked, ask an attendant and leave with the impression that Mormons are closed-minded and engaged in bigotry, or worse, that they have something to hide. Uninformed Catholics will not be wowed by the temple for the above reasons. Protestants… well… it’s Rome, so there aren’t a lot of them. Jews will not be interested, nor will Muslims… who does that leave?

So this begs the question of what exactly the point of that temple is. Frankly, I don’t think there is a point beyond nose-thumbing.

P.S. In case you are wondering where the LDS church gets the money to put up temples like that one… well… here you go.
 
I think their Quorum – successors to the Apostles – is made up of businessmen.

The Catholic Church always has had an option for the poor, the first to set up hospitals and hospice, and university education available for more economic classes of people. Mexico had universities in the 1500’s with Indian professors, and Mexico through the Catholic Church gave women and girls a right to an education hundreds of years before Anglo America.

One has to also consider the great architecture throughout Italy; art, family, and religion are interchangeable. I think there are about 22,000 Italian Mormons. If it is a stake wedding, non-Mormons can attend. We don’t know about the numbers who come and then go.

The other issue, as stated on the other thread, that Mormonism is basically anti-Catholic, that faith died after the last apostle and that Roman Catholicism and Protestantism are both corrupt. The Italians know very little about Mormonism except the penchant for polygamy and ideas outside 2,000 mainstream Christianity.

For the most part, Italians are Catholic or they are nothing.

I also meant to add – the Italians’ interchangeability of art, religion, family – and wine!
 
I would say my issue with Mormonism is the side tracking of Salvation History and the 1800 gap restored in America…
 
My contention is that the LDS has to claim an apostasy in order to justify an open canon, and therefore the BoM.
 
KathleenGee said:
I think their Quorum – successors to the Apostles – is made up of businessmen.

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To be fair, Some are, some aren’t.

I was personally aquainted with Pres Holland when he was BYU president. Absolutely a delightful man and Pat, his wife is a gem. He is an educator by profession.

Oaks was a lawyer by profession, Nelson, a cariologist. Its been 2 decades since I have been out so not sure who has died and who the newer ones are.
 
Anglican_Gal said:
Apparently the temple will have a cross on the door to the temple - something you’ll never, ever find in or near a Mormon temple (if they can help it).
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:eek: Wow. They’re really putting the finishing touches on their deception.
 
RebeccaJ said:
:eek: Wow. They’re really putting the finishing touches on their deception.
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Simply a response to recent criticism that they tend to be phobic about the cross. And folklore says plenty of things about that.
 
Thanks, Marie…

Recall who Christ chose for His apostles…the Holy Spirit continued to work and drew on all sorts of people for bishops, as long as they met the criteria in the Epistles.

What really hurt the Church in some mission countries is that the perception was that the Church aligned itself with the ‘rich’ colonialists rather than the humble natives.
 
Cat_Herder said:
I wouldn’t worry about it. First of all, there are plenty of equally resplendent, and superior, Catholic basilicae and other churches in Rome and the surrounding area. Secondly, a Mormon temple is not used for regular worship but rather for administration of endowments (Mormon “sacraments”). Thus, that building will be empty most of the time. Third, Brighamite Mormon temples are closed to the public. Only LDS with temple recommends can get in. It’s kind of hard to be drawn in to a locked building.

On that third point—who do you think would be drawn to Mormonism on account of a temple? Modernists, secularists, and the lapsed will walk up to the door, see that it is locked, ask an attendant and leave with the impression that Mormons are closed-minded and engaged in bigotry, or worse, that they have something to hide. Uninformed Catholics will not be wowed by the temple for the above reasons. Protestants… well… it’s Rome, so there aren’t a lot of them. Jews will not be interested, nor will Muslims… who does that leave?

So this begs the question of what exactly the point of that temple is. Frankly, I don’t think there is a point beyond nose-thumbing.

P.S. In case you are wondering where the LDS church gets the money to put up temples like that one… well… here you go.
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Hi Cat Herder - But this temple will have a visitor’s center and gardens so those in town to see the sights will likely find an open door. And, my guess, a shuttle bus waiting at the Vatican to bring them on over.
Or at least Mormon billboards advertising “I am a Mormon” with a picture of an Italian family hugging on their front porch…or t.v. ads showing an Italian artist or something showing that he is a Mormon…just to highlight how diverse they really are.
(A religion that advertises…???)
Why the cross? Wow - they are always changing aren’t they?
 
lax16 said:
Hi Cat Herder - But this temple will have a visitor’s center and gardens so those in town to see the sights will likely find an open door. And, my guess, a shuttle bus waiting at the Vatican to bring them on over.
Or at least Mormon billboards advertising “I am a Mormon” with a picture of an Italian family hugging on their front porch…or t.v. ads showing an Italian artist or something showing that he is a Mormon…just to highlight how diverse they really are.
(A religion that advertises…???)
Why the cross? Wow - they are always changing aren’t they?
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While non-Mormons won’t be allowed in the temple, I know from personal experience that non-mormons can visit the other attractions, such as the Family History center or library that might also be built with the temple. That is certainly the case with the santa Monica Blvd. temple in Los Angeles, where the library is open to the public, and has better resources on genealogical information than some of the other public options here.
 
JHow said:
While non-Mormons won’t be allowed in the temple, I know from personal experience that non-mormons can visit the other attractions, such as the Family History center or library that might also be built with the temple. That is certainly the case with the santa Monica Blvd. temple in Los Angeles, where the library is open to the public, and has better resources on genealogical information than some of the other public options here.
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Yes, I live in Utah and have visited the grounds of the Salt Lake Temple. It also houses a large geneological research center that is open to the public. However, it is manned by older missionaries that lean over your shoulder as they are “helping” you and funny enough, they ask your religion!

Isn’t it nice of them to have these buildings open to the public so that the missionaries have a chance to talk to you? We once stopped at the Cove Fort in southern Utah for a chance to stretch our legs, and before we were all out of the car, an older man in a long black coat met us in the parking lot. Missionaries everywhere! Our youngest child was so frightened she began to cry!

Everything is done over the top to attract visitor’s and hopefully converts. But, let’s face it, when you have billions to spend on flowers and buildings, I guess that is what you will do.
 
lax16 said:
Yes, I live in Utah and have visited the grounds of the Salt Lake Temple. It also houses a large geneological research center that is open to the public. However, it is manned by older missionaries that lean over your shoulder as they are “helping” you and funny enough, they ask your religion!

Isn’t it nice of them to have these buildings open to the public so that the missionaries have a chance to talk to you? We once stopped at the Cove Fort in southern Utah for a chance to stretch our legs, and before we were all out of the car, an older man in a long black coat met us in the parking lot. Missionaries everywhere! Our youngest child was so frightened she began to cry!

Everything is done over the top to attract visitor’s and hopefully converts. But, let’s face it, when you have billions to spend on flowers and buildings, I guess that is what you will do.
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There are some older types that provide library help, but all the ones I encountered limited their assistance to the task at hand (how to run the microfilm copier, find gazetteers in the map room). I did not feel like I was being prosyletized at all (but then, I am kind of a unconvertable-looking dude in real life). :eek:

I will say I got a funny look once, when I met one lady there who introduced herself as “Sister” so-and-so, and I replied, “Oh, like a nun?” :o

I think she mentally assigned me to the “clueless” category after that, which perhaps spared me any faith-centered discussion.

Also, I have one famous surname that I research, which can sidetrack genealogical discussions.
 
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