Mormons, Catholics, and the Great Apostacy

[itsjustdave1988]

Another great book is by a Catholic priest who was born and raised LDS…

**Tale of Two Cities: Mormons Vs Catholics
**by William Taylor
amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0933046022/ref=olp_product_details/104-0528918-3133537?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

**About the Author
**Father Taylor was born and raised in the LDS (Mormon) religion. He has great love for the Mormon people and respect for their religion. His one thought in wrting A Tale of Two Cities was to lay the truths of the Catholic Church beside the beliefs of the Mormom religion.

 

[Sophie]

By the way, the Church of Christ is another group that teaches this “great apostasy” theory. I pray every day for all these “great apostacy” believers, that God may someday call them home to His Holy Catholic Church.

 

[tkdnick]

Apologia100:

Without trying to sound cliche, how about “The Passion of the Christ”

They won’t watch The Passion because it’s rated R.

 

[tkdnick]

Chris-WA:

The key issue above all others between Catholics and Mormons is the “Great Apostacy.” Either it happened or it didn’t. If it did, then the Mormons are correct and they are the true church they claim to be. If it did not happen, the Mormon church’s very reason for existence is gone. I would like to hear from LDS as to why they believe in the Great Apostacy and their evidence for it.

Doesn’t sound like you’ve gotten much response on this original post. Maybe this question will spark more conversation on the topic…What is the best way to show that the Great Apostasy didn’t occur. Obviously the Church Fathers are a good way to go, but some will say that those were corrupted already. Anyone got anything?

 

[Tmaque]

tkdnick:

Doesn’t sound like you’ve gotten much response on this original post. Maybe this question will spark more conversation on the topic…What is the best way to show that the Great Apostasy didn’t occur. Obviously the Church Fathers are a good way to go, but some will say that those were corrupted already. Anyone got anything?

One cannot claim that the church fathers were corrupted unless they can show a difference in teaching between them and the apostles. There is, in fact, no evidence of that. On the contrary, all evidence points to an fanatical adherence to the teachings of the apostles. To come to the conclusion that a great apostasy occured one would have to believe:

That the “truth” (as revealed to Joseph Smith) was purged from all the writings of the apostles.

That all of the pupils of the apostles, soon after the death of the apostles, suddenly became corrupted, no longer taught truth, lost all authority and that not even a handful of them stood their ground and held on to the Gospel as taught to them by the apostles.

That they believed so strongly in their new corrupt false beliefs that they were willing to suffer and die for them, and watch their families suffer and die for them as well.

To believe any of these is silly. To believe them all is utter blindness.

 

[tkdnick]

Tmaque:

One cannot claim that the church fathers were corrupted unless they can show a difference in teaching between them and the apostles. There is, in fact, no evidence of that. On the contrary, all evidence points to an fanatical adherence to the teachings of the apostles. To come to the conclusion that a great apostasy occured one would have to believe:

That the “truth” (as revealed to Joseph Smith) was purged from all the writings of the apostles.

That all of the pupils of the apostles, soon after the death of the apostles, suddenly became corrupted, no longer taught truth, lost all authority and that not even a handful of them stood their ground and held on to the Gospel as taught to them by the apostles.

That they believed so strongly in their new corrupt false beliefs that they were willing to suffer and die for them, and watch their families suffer and die for them as well.

To believe any of these is silly. To believe them all is utter blindness.

Well that would be what they believe! And they believe it blindly. State it as fact as if everyone with common sense would know it to be true. However, some believe that the Apostasy began during the time of the Apostles, others say after their death, and still others say it gradually occurred over the first 4-5 centuries.

 

[Tmaque]

tkdnick:

Well that would be what they believe! And they believe it blindly. State it as fact as if everyone with common sense would know it to be true. However, some believe that the Apostasy began during the time of the Apostles, others say after their death, and still others say it gradually occurred over the first 4-5 centuries.

I find it incredible that anyone would claim that the men that walked and talked and were taught by Jesus Christ himself for three years and then spent many hours with the resurrected Christ somehow lost there way, yet believe the LDS “prophets” of current day have somehow kept the “truth” revealed to Joseph Smith 175 years ago.

If the apostasy occured after the apostles death where is the evidence of a change in teaching?

 

[tkdnick]

Tmaque:

I find it incredible that anyone would claim that the men that walked and talked and were taught by Jesus Christ himself for three years and then spent many hours with the resurrected Christ somehow lost there way, yet believe the LDS “prophets” of current day have somehow kept the “truth” revealed to Joseph Smith 175 years ago.

If the apostasy occured after the apostles death where is the evidence of a change in teaching?

Good question! The thing is, they don’t go based on our idea of proof. Their idea of proof is a “burning in the bosom”. That’s how they “know” it’s “true”.

 

[Tmaque]

tkdnick:

Good question! The thing is, they don’t go based on our idea of proof. Their idea of proof is a “burning in the bosom”. That’s how they “know” it’s “true”.

Exactly, the LDS faith is based entirely on feeling.

 

[tkdnick]

Tmaque:

Exactly, the LDS faith is based entirely on feeling.

I’m beginning to see that more and more with my interaction with LDS people.

 

[Chris-WA]

I would still like to hear what some of our LDS friends think about this issue.

 

[Stephen-Maguire]

tkdnick:

Interesting to note…My LDS friends told me the apostasy occurred after the death of the Apostles. No proof, no references, nothing.

Two young ladies came from Utah 15 years ago, the whole way to Ireland to tell me that the Church Jesus established died with the Apostles.

I reminded them of the words of Jesus “Peter upon this rock I shall build my Church,and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”

I awaited their response, nada, zilch, nothing, anyway when they were leaving I asked them to come back, but no they didn’t.

Ok sorry for crashing your party, I know your looking for a Morman response, but it had to be said.