I’m not denying what was at that time and place, just also acknowledging that it was imperfect and at some times wrong. I can make the same argument for any other time/place/group if you’d like. The world and the Truth are MUCH bigger than any single time, any single place, or any single group.And to be aware, and be intellectually honest, as to what was indeed taught, and accepted. .
Jane as much as you may like to have it different, the reality was, that was what was taught. It was never discouraged, infact it was encouraged.
The teachings were, that the living prophets teachings superseded scripture. That was taught in the firesides I attended and the bi-weekly devotionals in the Marriot Center. These firesides and devotionals at BYU were done by the 12, the 1st Presidency, and the 70. These were teachings from those pulpits.
Im not sure if they still hold those firesides and devotional, but they were held is very high esteem and we were always reminded of how blessed we, those of us in the BYU community, to have such constant access to the living prophets, seers, and revelators so often.
You still see this said over at Mormon Dialogue and Discussion Board. Also, this idea can be seen in the 14 Fundamentals in Following the Prophet:The teachings were, that the living prophets teachings superseded scripture. That was taught in the firesides I attended and the bi-weekly devotionals in the Marriot Center. These firesides and devotionals at BYU were done by the 12, the 1st Presidency, and the 70. These were teachings from those pulpits.
Thanks LW.You still see this said over at Mormon Dialogue and Discussion Board. Also, this idea can be seen in the 14 Fundamentals in Following the Prophet:
**“Second: The living prophet is more vital to us than the Standard Works.”
“Third: The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.”**
lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng
lds.org/general-conference/2010/10/obedience-to-the-prophets?lang=eng&_r=1
Jane I am not sure if you are aware of this, but you are not a typical Mormon. Im guessing you are influenced by other non-Mormon teachings in the culture that you live in.I’m not denying what was at that time and place, just also acknowledging that it was imperfect and at some times wrong. I can make the same argument for any other time/place/group if you’d like. The world and the Truth are MUCH bigger than any single time, any single place, or any single group.
If you’re accusing me of growing up / living in a culture where everyone is LDS and live in an and LDS-only bubble, I plead guilty. So do about 80% of LDS people.Jane I am not sure if you are aware of this, but you are not a typical Mormon. Im guessing you are influenced by other non-Mormon teachings in the culture that you live in.
Yes Sin has been forgiven in Christ. That’s the thing, the sin has been forgiven and perhaps we have even grown past it but the ultimate reality is that it was once there and something from which we needed saving. Can heavenly Father then forget his salvation at the hands of his heavenly Father and simply say I’m not a sinner anymore? I never needed saving? I am perfect? No, he would always have to remember his debt to his heavenly Father, that he is imperfect. Unlike his son Jesus who is perfect.Where does this notion of “once a sinner always a sinner come from”? Genesis 6:9 states that Noah was perfect and he clearly had sinned prior to that point because all except Christ have sinned. The same goes for Job (Job 1:1). Romans 8:17 states that the righteous will be joint-heirs with Christ. In spite of all the righteous except Christ having sinned, the righteous will receive the same reward as Jesus. Generally the Christian notion of repentance is that the sin is washed away and the repentant sinner is as clean as if the sin had never been committed.
So you are saying yes, God the father has the potential to sin because he was once a man.You have been told that God is inescapably different from man, fundamentally cutting off God from man.
Yes, the Christian God is also omnipresent.So that would make God Himself finite because He had a beginning, and He would be subject to time and matter. There wouldn’t be an ulta-God as we see Him. Mormons see Him with omniscience and omnipotence, but we give Him more attributes.
LDS also believe that God is omnipresent.Yes, the Christian God is also omnipresent.
No, the Mormon God has a body.LDS also believe that God is omnipresent.
How is he omnipresent? Certainty not in his physical body. Mormons also distinguish between the Holy Spirit and the Father right, that these are two separate entities right?LDS also believe that God is omnipresent.
Who said a physical body limits an all powerful being from being omnipresent? He’s all powerful.How is he omnipresent? Certainty not in his physical body.
Mormon Doctrine says “It is the Spirit by means of which God is omnipresent” but then says the Holy Ghost “can be in only one place at one time” which is not omnipresent either.How is he omnipresent? Certainty not in his physical body. Mormons also distinguish between the Holy Spirit and the Father right, that these are two separate entities right?
So what was he before he became “exalted” and became your god? It is clear LDS teaching that your god was once man, and that he was capable of sin, probably did sin because he was a man but then became god and was then perfect.LDS also believe that God is omnipresent.
And who said Mormon Doctrine was infallible scripture?Mormon Doctrine says the Holy Ghost “can be in only one place at one time” which is not omnipresent either.
This is how I see it. What the Mormon Church taught in the past, whether under Brigham Young, David O. McKay, or Gordon B. Hinkley, was accepted as the authoritative teachings by active, believing Mormons of those times. Those Mormons believed what you are calling incorrect.I’m not denying what was at that time and place, just also acknowledging that it was imperfect and at some times wrong. I can make the same argument for any other time/place/group if you’d like. The world and the Truth are MUCH bigger than any single time, any single place, or any single group.
I think it is clear that the Mormon God, who was once a man, is omnipresent just as you are omnipresent.And who said Mormon Doctrine was infallible scripture?
So the author of Mormon Doctrine is sharing his thoughts on the matter, just like how you are, correct?And who said Mormon Doctrine was infallible scripture?
Yes. I am also fallible, and still learning. To think otherwise is hubris.So the author of Mormon Doctrine is sharing his thoughts on the matter, just like how you are, correct?