Mormons help Catholics rebuild after earthquake

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I’ve been in the Philippines for about 3 years and there are two things I’ve noticed:

(1) Filipinos help each other out because they are Filipinos, regardless of denominational differences. It’s not a matter of ecumenism, as one might technically understand the term in Christian dialogue, but a matter of being Filipino.

(2) There is no word for “ecumenism” in the Filipino language that sufficiently accommodates its technical nuances. There are words that generally mean “working together” and that would be the only thing meant by the priest when he uses the term “ecumenism.”

It’s not that the priest misunderstands Mormonism, or ecumenism, nor even that the Mormons here have a hidden agenda (though that’s certainly also possible).

Blessings,
Marduk.
the Mormons don’t have hidden agenda, in fact The Mormons help is very OPTIONAL they can accept it or not. I don’t Understand why dumbass people create an issue about this two religion. You did not create a UNITY you Create a War between this two, if your not able to understand a WORD just ask GOOGLE …
 
Please check the thread “Are Mormons Christian”. Mormons may use the same words as Christians but those words have entirely different meanings. Mormons thoroughly reject the Trinity, so I don’t see how they can perform a valid baptism even if they use the same words.

The Mormon God the Father (aka, Heavenly Father) was once a mortal man who progressed to becoming a god. He did not create any matter. He merely organized it to create the earth. Heavenly Father is married to at least one (but probably many more than one) Heavenly Mother with whom he fathered all of our spirits. He also fathered the spirits of Jesus and Lucifer. Heavenly Father had relations with Mary to father Jesus. Also, Heavenly Father is not the only Heavenly Father. There is an infinite regression of gods.

The Mormon Jesus is the spirit son of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother. He is their firstborn. He is also our older spirit brother. Jesus was not always part of the “godhead”. He became part of the Mormon godhead when he offered to be the savior of the world at the Grand council in heaven when the Mormon plan of salvation was presented.

There is not much to be said about the Mormon Holy Ghost. He is a spirit son of Heavenly Father and Mother. He too will eventually be given s physical body like ourselves. He also does not like to stay up late at night and typically goes to bed at midnight and definitely does not go to bad places where you might actually need him.

The Mormon godhead are three separate persons with separate bodies but are one in purpose.

This is why Mormon baptisms are not valid Christian baptisms. They do not believe in the same God as Christians do. As a side note, the Mormons also do not accept Christian baptisms as valid either.
For you enlighten
Mormons Believe in
1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

3 We believe that through the atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

5 We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

6 We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

7 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisaical glory.

11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.​

Only the LDS CHURCH HAVE A 17 POINTS OF THE TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST.
  1. Christ organized the Church (Eph 4:11-14)
    The true church must bear the name of Jesus Christ (Eph 5:23)
    The true church must have a foundation of Apostles and Prophets (Eph 2:19-20)
    The true church must have the same organization as Christ’s Church (Eph 4:11-14)
    The true church must claim divine authority (Heb 5:4-10)
    The true church must have no paid ministry (1 Cor 9:16-18; Acts 20:33-34; John 10:11-13)
    The true church must baptise by immersion (Matt 3:13-16)
    The true church must bestow the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands (Acts 8:14-17)
    The true church must practice divine healing (Mark 3:14-15)
    The true church must teach that God and Jesus are seperate and distinct individuals (John 17:11; 20:17)
    The true church must teach that God and Jesus have bodies of flesh and bone (Luke 23:36-39; Acts 1:9-11; Heb 1:1-3)
    The officers must be called by God (Heb 4:4; Ex 28:1; 40:13-16)
    The true church must claim revelation from God (Amos 3:7)
    The true church must be a missionary church (Matt 28:19-20)
    The true church must be a restored church (Acts 3:19-20)
    The true church must practice baptism for the dead (1Cor 15:16&29)
    “By their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matt 7:20)
    👍👍
 
I dont understand your point…

I gave the link that demonstrates that Catholic Moral theology does embrace good intentions… 🤷
The article you gave me a link to does not give credits for only good intentions.
 
Maybe as Catholics, we can recognize (in a realistic hope) that some members of Mormonism are Christian, while Mormonism itself is not.

Michael
 
No active member of the lds church is Christian in any way, shape or form. If they can believe in a man and what he says rather than follow Christ, they are not Christian.
 
The article you gave me a link to does not give credits for only good intentions.
If you re-read my post (#17), I said Catholic Moral theology takes good intentions into account.

The word “only” was never part of my response.

And that is truth. Catholic Moral theology takes into account good intentions. And the Church is serious about Her theology. 🙂
 
No active member of the lds church is Christian in any way, shape or form. If they can believe in a man and what he says rather than follow Christ, they are not Christian.
I would not assume this is supported by the Church. And I will not assume my comment is not only my own opinion.

You see, we are judged by what we know. For many, they are raised with these teachings as their foundation. Some may have genuine faith in Jesus, with genuine desire for His baptism, yet don’t know they are not in His Church. All those who are genuine, will be led out of this cult. So, the Lord, who knows all hearts sees perfectly who is desiring His grace and who is following men rather than God.

Michael
 
If you re-read my post (#17), I said Catholic Moral theology takes good intentions into account.

The word “only” was never part of my response.

And that is truth. Catholic Moral theology takes into account good intentions. And the Church is serious about Her theology. 🙂
Good intentions are not a reason to commit wrong. That is the only thing the article said about intentions. I am not sure how you take any other meaning with regards to intentions from the article.🤷
 
Maybe as Catholics, we can recognize (in a realistic hope) that some members of Mormonism are Christian, while Mormonism itself is not.

Michael
if you don’t have a Christian baptism, I don’t see how one would be Christan. Our hope would be that through Gods mercy they may be saved like any othe non-Christian might be
 
if you don’t have a Christian baptism, I don’t see how one would be Christan. Our hope would be that through Gods mercy they may be saved like any othe non-Christian might be
Yes, that is my hope 👍

Peace
Michael
 
Good intentions are not a reason to commit wrong. That is the only thing the article said about intentions. I am not sure how you take any other meaning with regards to intentions from the article.🤷
Go back to post #17. Kim made the comment in this thread entitled "Mormons help Catholic rebuild after earthquake.

He said that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Mormons helping Catholics rebuild after an earthquake is hardly “wrong”

I pointed out to him the link to the USCCB about the Catholic Theology does indeed take into account good intentions.

There is nothing morally wrong with Mormons helping Catholics rebuild after an earthquaks 🤷
 
Go back to post #17. Kim made the comment in this thread entitled "Mormons help Catholic rebuild after earthquake.

He said that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Mormons helping Catholics rebuild after an earthquake is hardly “wrong”

I pointed out to him the link to the USCCB about the Catholic Theology does indeed take into account good intentions.

There is nothing morally wrong with Mormons helping Catholics rebuild after an earthquaks 🤷
YOU made the statement that Catholic Theology takes into account good intentions.
YOU gave a link to the USCCB to prove what you said was correct.

The only thing the article says about good intentions is that they are not a justification for wrong doing. The article does not prove your point.

So, if you want to present more backup, ok:popcorn:

People can be kind to family and friends and curse God. How do their good intentions work for them?
 
YOU made the statement that Catholic Theology takes into account good intentions.
YOU gave a link to the USCCB to prove what you said was correct.

The only thing the article says about good intentions is that they are not a justification for wrong doing. The article does not prove your point.

So, if you want to present more backup, ok:popcorn:

People can be kind to family and friends and curse God. How do their good intentions work for them?
It demonstrates that Catholic theology accepts the idea of good intentions, which Kim’s comment implied doesn’t matter.

Catholic theology accepts good intentions. The Church does not dismiss good intentions.

I have no need to prove anything . Catholic theology does not reject good intentions 🤷
 
I would not assume this is supported by the Church. And I will not assume my comment is not only my own opinion.

You see, we are judged by what we know. For many, they are raised with these teachings as their foundation. Some may have genuine faith in Jesus, with genuine desire for His baptism, yet don’t know they are not in His Church. All those who are genuine, will be led out of this cult. So, the Lord, who knows all hearts sees perfectly who is desiring His grace and who is following men rather than God.

Michael
You are correct. But a person can have a genuine desire but in what Christ? The Jesus of the Bible or some idea of what and who Jesus is. So what will they say when they are judged about people telling them the truth but didn’t want to hear it?
 
(Looks like this topic has gotten off topic, which when we start talking about Mormonism, seems to happen a lot…LOL 🙂 )
 
if you don’t have a Christian baptism, I don’t see how one would be Christan. Our hope would be that through Gods mercy they may be saved like any othe non-Christian might be
There are converts into the Church of the LDS from Protestant Christian denominations. There are also other “Latter Day” Churches that don’t have the same theological problems as the LDS, having broken away in the early history of Mormonism.
 
if you don’t have a Christian baptism, I don’t see how one would be Christan. Our hope would be that through Gods mercy they may be saved like any othe non-Christian might be
There are converts into the Church of the LDS from Protestant Christian denominations.
I know.
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There are also other "Latter Day" Churches that don't have the same theological problems as the LDS, having broken away in the early history of Mormonism.
Joseph Smith introduced the rejection of the trinity into Mormonism which would seem very early in the history of the Latter-day-saint movement. Can you list a few of the latter-day-saint churches that have rejected this teaching of Joseph Smith?
 
Joseph Smith introduced the rejection of the trinity into Mormonism which would seem very early in the history of the Latter-day-saint movement. Can you list a few of the latter-day-saint churches that have rejected this teaching of Joseph Smith?
I’m not an expert, but the former RLDS (called the Community of Christ) these days, seem to have all but abandoned the Book of Mormon and many beliefs central to the restoration. If I remember correctly, they went through massive changes in the '90’s, and lost over a third of their membership. These are the guys who split off shortly after Joseph’s martyrdom, who deny Joseph ever practiced polygamy. They ended up owning the deeds to many historical sites like the Kirtland Temple. Five of their twelve apostles are female, as is one counselor in the first presidency.

They sound a lot like a nondenominational Christian church these days.
Trinity - God is Love

I’ve interacted with a few online, and know a few former members who have converted to the main LDS church. Nice enough people.
 
NeuroTypical beat me to it, but the Community of Christ was the specific body I had in mind: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Community_of_Christ#God.2C_Jesus_Christ.2C_and_the_Holy_Spirit
It does appear they reject Joseph Smith’s teaching on God which rejects the trinity. I’ve heard Brighamite/Utah Mormons claim to believe in the trinity but after describing what they believe it is not a Christian definition. So while the Josephites/Missouri Mormons claim they believe in the trinity, I think the jury is still out on what exactly they mean by trinity; is it the Christian trinity and some kind of modalism.

As I said, our hope would be that through Gods mercy they may be saved like any other non-Christian might be.
 
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