Mormons Holding the Keys Of Heaven?

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Boulder, lets just ask this question. Would Jesus have lied to His Apostles? Answer: No. So no other religion is true then right?
 
gazelam said:
What’s being referred to in this thread as “Keys of Heaven” are generally referred to by LDS as “Priesthood Keys”.

Here is a brief summary from the LDS Scripture Guide found at lds.org/scriptures/gs/keys-of-the-priesthood?lang=eng

Keys are the rights of presidency, or the power given to man by God to direct, control, and govern God’s priesthood on earth. Priesthood holders called to positions of presidency receive keys from those in authority over them. Priesthood holders use the priesthood only within the limits outlined by those who hold the keys. The President of the Church holds all priesthood keys (D&C 107:65–67, 91–92; 132:7).

Peter received the keys of the kingdom. Matt. 16:19;

Michael (Adam) received the keys of salvation under the direction of Jesus Christ. D&C 78:16;

The keys of the kingdom belong always to the First Presidency. D&C 81:2;

The Melchizedek Priesthood holds the key of the mysteries of the knowledge of God. D&C 84:19;

Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery received keys concerning the gathering of Israel, the gospel of Abraham, and the sealing powers. D&C 110:11–16;

Special keys are held by the Twelve Apostles. D&C 112:16;

The First Presidency and the Twelve hold the keys of the dispensation of the fulness of times. D&C 112:30–34;

Officers in the priesthood hold keys. D&C 124:123;

He who has keys can obtain knowledge. D&C 128:11;

The Aaronic Priesthood holds the keys of the ministering of angels and of the gospel of repentance and baptism:JS—H 1:69; ( D&C 13; )

I hope this helps.
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seriously? you use a book of failed and self-serving prophesies that we do not accept to prove a point that does not exist?
 
TexanKnight said:
seriously? you use a book of failed and self-serving prophesies that we do not accept to prove a point that does not exist?
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Yes, this is very telling. They claim to be a restoration of the original Church yet the only biblical verse they can find from the Sacred Scriptures of that original Church to support their position does not support their position in the least. They must rely on self-serving writings of their own in order to support their position; writings which promote ideas never heard of or believed by the Church they claim to have restored.
 
LivingWaters7 said:
Of course. The point isn’t to accept a religious or authoritative text as what it claims to be. We certainly don’t believe that the Doctrine and Covenants is a true scriptural compilation of true revelations from God. We also don’t believe that the Bhagavad Gita is a true scriptural text documenting a real incarnation of the god Vishnu as Krishna. But, there is nothing wrong with a Mormon citing the D&C in explanation of their beliefs, or a Hindu citing the Bhagavad Gita, just like how there is nothing wrong with a Catholic citing the ECFs or the Catechism in explanation of our beliefs to a non-Catholic, even if they don’t believe they are “valid sources”. For me, things like the D&C, Qur’an, Vedas, etc are “valid sources” in explaining the beliefs of those that find them authoritative. They aren’t “valid sources” in the sense that I believe that they are what they claim to be, Divine in origin, or that they should convince me to believe something I don’t.

Gazelam was providing an explanation of the usage of the word “keys” in a LDS context (from the LDS Guide to the Scriptures), so naturally the D&C would be cited.

I don’t believe I claimed or implied such a thing. 🙂
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Flawlessly logical. Nicely done.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
SteveVH said:
Yes, this is very telling. They claim to be a restoration of the original Church yet the only biblical verse they can find from the Sacred Scriptures of that original Church to support their position does not support their position in the least. They must rely on self-serving writings of their own in order to support their position; writings which promote ideas never heard of or believed by the Church they claim to have restored.
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Let us not forget the “burning sensation” they get that somehow proves their church is correct 🤷
 
Michael (Adam) received the keys of salvation under the direction of Jesus Christ. D&C 78:16;

Taught nowhere in the Bible or by the Old Church

The keys of the kingdom belong always to the First Presidency. D&C 81:2;

Taught nowhere in the Bible or by the Old Church

The Melchizedek Priesthood holds the key of the mysteries of the knowledge of God. D&C 84:19;

This was for Jesus alone and was not passed down

Special keys are held by the Twelve Apostles. D&C 112:16;

So not 1 set but 2? Also not in the Bible.

The First Presidency and the Twelve hold the keys of the dispensation of the fulness of times. D&C 112:30–34;

So 1 set gives all the power and the 2nd is limited?

Officers in the priesthood hold keys. D&C 124:123;

I thought the FP only had keys?

He who has keys can obtain knowledge. D&C 128:11;

He that can read can obtain the truth about your church and its founder.
 
kimg901 said:
Let us not forget the “burning sensation” they get that somehow proves their church is correct 🤷
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The devil is quite capable of this sort of thing. One of the leaders of the Welsh Revival of 1904-05, Jessie Penn-Lewis, wrote a book called “War on the Saints”. I’ve included a couple of links, first to the index of the book itself, and then a bit on Penn-Lewis herself.

No doubt there were a lot of demonic “counterfeits” during the revival, as Satan and his crew got busy trying to stamp it out, using methods which included spiritual confusion and deception.

If you look at the index, paragraph 5 makes a brief comment on “bodily sensations”. The wording is a bit old fashioned, but the book was written a century ago.

I wouldn’t take much notice of “burning sensations” as being a harbinger of God’s presence.

apostasynow.com/wots/TrueWorkings.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessie_Penn-Lewis
 
superwimp said:
Hello HojaVerde,

Since I am still a member of the Church of Christ (temple lot) (one of the many Mormon offshoots) I felt I should comment on your claim with regards to who is legitimate. In order for clarity I am going to respond to the question of legitimacy as I would have responded 40 years ago when I was still a believing member of the church.

What the LDS call the D&C was first published as the Book of Commandments. This book contained all of the revelations up until about 1833. In one of the revelations JS is called to translate the BOM and that is all. He is not called to be the leader of the church. When the BOC was rewritten as the D&C the revelation was changed giving JS control of the church. The BOM contains many warnings against Priestcraft, which is the promotion or some individual as a special representative of God.

At about this time JS changed the name of the church to the church of LDS. It wasn’t until a few years later that the name was again changed to the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS. The BOM clearly teaches that the name of his church should be the Church of Christ, therefore, the LDS church discontinued being Jesus’s church because it wasn’t called by his name.
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The Church of Christ(temple lot) would be the **legitimate** continuation of the original 1830 church because:
  1. They accept the original BOC and reject the D&C.
  2. There name is the Church of Christ as instructed in the BOM
  3. They don’t have a special individual (priestcraft) heading the church.
  4. Gotta go now but there are probably other reasons
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Oh, thank you for your answer and explanation. I apologize since I didn’t see your post answering the mine one.

You say that “When the BOC was rewritten as the D&C the revelation was changed giving JS control of the church”.

I wonder how lds explain the reason to change or rewrite the book of D&C.

And what do you think about RLDS point on these issues? I suppose the three groups have their own reasons. it seems like it’s not clear for a recent restored church. From a neutral point of view is very pity and unfair though. Divisions are always sad.
 
Porknpie said:
Quote: Originally Posted by HojaVerde
Anyway, Mormon early history seems so weird, I think.

Hoja, what makes you think that?
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It makes me think that for at least the following reasons:
  • For the history:
    • So many heavenly visitations, so many versions of things, problems when founding the church with very early forks, etc.
    • The issue about banning priesthood to black people,
  • In general. The LDS Church seems to want as many things as possible to look like the true church, like a mixture of everything:
    • the biblical church has one kind of keys, they say to have 10 (or so) kind of keys.
    • the new covenant has one kind of priesthood, they claim to have two.
    • Jesus chose 12 apostles they have 15.
    • Jesus preexists, then all the people preexist.
    • Jesus is the eternal High Priest (and only one), then they have more than one high priest.
    • If there is one God, everyone can be a new god.
    • They claim to have old-testament-kind prophets and patriarchs.
    • If Jesus said He establishes one church, they say Jesus established three (NT church, BoM church and 1830-restored church).
    • There is one new Testament, they have it that one, and of course another testament called the BoM.
    • If one man can be married to one woman and vice-versa, they could do the same but to more than one.
    • Temples …
 
Boulder257 said:
I have a questions pertaining to the keys of heaven and Joseph Smith.

It is accurate to assume that the Mormon faith believes that the keys of Heaven were passed to Joseph Smith? If so, did he specify who they were to be handed to when he died? If not, what do they say happened to the keys of Heaven?
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Mormons and many Protestant church, if not all, believe they have the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, as well. So, if Protestant churches say that they have the Keys, so I guess they must believe that the Mormons have the Keys as well, because apparently to the Protestant churches everyone, has the Keys, and to believe so, they are just like the Mormons, wrong in their thinking.

No! It is not accurate to say that the mormons nor is it accurate for any non-Catholic church to say that they have the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus Christ, among the twelve was referring to St. Peter, because Jesus Christ says to Peter, in the singular.

Note: Matt 16:17 17And Jesus answering, “said to him”: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. 20Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.

Note: the bold and underlined above “Said to him”. Who’s “Him” that Jesus Christ is referring to? St. Peter of course:thumbsup:

Note: the bold and underlined “Then”

Jesus Was referring to St. Peter in the singular because Jesus Christ mentions Peter by his name and not to the rest of the Apostles. After Jesus Christ had spoke to Peter in the singular, re: the Keys, bind / loose. “THEN” Jesus Christ refers to all His Disciples,that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.

It is only common sense that Jesus Christ was referring only to St. Peter and not to the rest of his disciples because only One can have the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven and not all Disciples. Jesus Christ not giving the Keys to all disciples, then why do many Protestant churches say they have the Keys as well. Only the Catholic Church the seat of St. Peter Pope Francis has the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.

Sure many or all other man made churches believe, need to believe that they have the Keys, because, having the Keys, is to be in the Church Jesus Christ founded over 2000 years ago and counting.

Ufam Tobie
 
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