Mormons- how could you? "Killing her twice" Your church does not offer an appropriate response

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usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-23/anne-frank-mormon-baptism/53226808/1

Note that no where in this article can we find the Mormon church telling us that there are steps being taken right now to undue this. Perhaps it is like many believer’s rituals in that it is indelible.

There must be a way to declare this baptism invalid.

What despicable behavior from the Mormons.

Killing her twice.

I stand with those who condemn this action and ask you do something to undue it.
 
Rome has already declared this and all other proxy LDS baptisms as invalid. The LDS do not rescind their ordinances; they only cover them up by removing the records of them from public view. This is not the first time Anne Franck’s proxy ordinance work has been “done” and it won’t be the last. Many other famous individuals, such as Adolf Hitler, Saint Bernadette, President George Washington, John Lennon, the Blessed Virgin and Pope John Paul II have received the same (often redundant) treatment. It is not despicable behavior to the LDS; instead, it is a necessary tenet of misguided faith.

Pray for the LDS people, that they may come to a true understanding of Christ and His redemption.
 
venite_adoremus said:
Rome has already declared this and all other proxy LDS baptisms as invalid. The LDS do not rescind their ordinances; they only cover them up by removing the records of them from public view. This is not the first time Anne Franck’s proxy ordinance work has been “done” and it won’t be the last. Many other famous individuals, such as Adolf Hitler, Saint Bernadette, President George Washington, John Lennon, the Blessed Virgin and Pope John Paul II have received the same (often redundant) treatment. It is not despicable behavior to the LDS; instead, it is a necessary tenet of misguided faith.

Pray for the LDS people, that they may come to a true understanding of Christ and His redemption.
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John Lennon too? Well I’ll be Jammed.

Who are they kidding anyway?

**None **of those people wanted to be Mormon! In the case of Anne Frank, she died for the singular reason that she was Jewish.

Who can I write to in order to appeal this?
 
It’s not like you can write to someone in the LDS church to have them undo this. The temple work they do is a tenant of their faith; they firmly believe they are saving souls.
 
I want to know who I can write to quit getting the living so worked up about something as unimportant as this…🤷
 
Perhaps the Catholic could lead by example and come up with some sort of ritual capable of reversing their own baptisms? I know I was baptized as a infant and from what I understand it somehow put some sort of unremovable stain on my soul. Very untidy and quite offensive.
 
StrawberryJam said:
usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-23/anne-frank-mormon-baptism/53226808/1

Note that no where in this article can we find the Mormon church telling us that there are steps being taken right now to undue this. Perhaps it is like many believer’s rituals in that it is indelible.

There must be a way to declare this baptism invalid.

What despicable behavior from the Mormons.

Killing her twice.

I stand with those who condemn this action and ask you do something to undue it.
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You’re being dramatic.
It’s not that big of a deal. So what if she was given proxy baptism? It’s not “despicable.”

This whole forum is degenerating into an anti-Mormon crusade. Sadly. And most of the Mormons on here are being driven out.
 
cerad2 said:
Perhaps the Catholic could lead by example and come up with some sort of ritual capable of reversing their own baptisms? I know I was baptized as a infant and from what I understand it somehow put some sort of unremovable stain on my soul. Very untidy and quite offensive.
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🤷 A parent makes decisions for their child, that is how it is. They decide to clothe you, feed you, raise you in their faith. As an adult, you are freed from everything that is of your parents.
 
enbell said:
It’s not like you can write to someone in the LDS church to have them undo this. The temple work they do is a tenant of their faith; they firmly believe they are saving souls.
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Perhaps they should consider evicting that tenant 😉
 
RebeccaJ said:
🤷 A parent makes decisions for their child, that is how it is. They decide to clothe you, feed you, raise you in their faith. As an adult, you are freed from everything that is of your parents.
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What if I were a Mormon who clothed, fed, and took care of my grandmother in her old age, and when she died, me, in my loving nature as her grandchild, decided to have a proxy baptism perform?

My parents, who are ex-Catholics, reject infant baptism and consider the practice having been done on them as being both invalid and illegitimate.

You can try to run circles around it, but the fact is, in infant baptism, the child does not get a choice. That’s why we have hysterical atheists going around performing debaptisms.

To find Catholics objecting to Mormon posthumous baptism is quite frankly, strange. If you reject proxy baptism because the dead have no voice in the matter, then the same must apply to infant baptism.
 
FabiusMaximus said:
What if I were a Mormon who clothed, fed, and took care of my grandmother in her old age, and when she died, me, in my loving nature as her grandchild, decided to have a proxy baptism perform?

My parents, who are ex-Catholics, reject infant baptism and consider the practice having been done on them as being both invalid and illegitimate.

You can try to run circles around it, but the fact is, in infant baptism, the child does not get a choice. That’s why we have hysterical atheists going around performing debaptisms.

To find Catholics objecting to Mormon posthumous baptism is quite frankly, strange. If you reject proxy baptism because the dead have no voice in the matter, then the same must apply to infant baptism.
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Honestly, I’m at a loss as to why people would care in the first place. If, as the Catholic Church teaches, mormon baptisms have no power, then why do some of the Catholic posters here waste their energy getting upset over such a trivial matter? Life is too short.
 
FabiusMaximus said:
What if I were a Mormon who clothed, fed, and took care of my grandmother in her old age, and when she died, me, in my loving nature as her grandchild, decided to have a proxy baptism perform?

My parents, who are ex-Catholics, reject infant baptism and consider the practice having been done on them as being both invalid and illegitimate.

You can try to run circles around it, but the fact is, in infant baptism, the child does not get a choice. That’s why we have hysterical atheists going around performing debaptisms.

To find Catholics objecting to Mormon posthumous baptism is quite frankly, strange. If you reject proxy baptism because the dead have no voice in the matter, then the same must apply to infant baptism.
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I have yet to figure out what person in their right mind is going to tell parents how they can raise their own children. I was raised LDS, and received an LDS baptism, because it was the wishes of my parents. I view it as it was, an act out of what my parents believed. Obviously, as an adult I don’t share their beliefs.

I don’t know of anyone who believes the living are the parents of the dead, with some sort of parental rights over them, with the associated decision making on behalf of ancestors, let alone, someone else’s dead.

That being said, I don’t view the Mormon ritual as effective at all, just a waste of time. I see all this media over their necro-baptisms as political because of Romney. If a Mormon wasn’t running for president, few people would care.
 
So I can’t do anything about this stain. Very sad. At least my parents didn’t cut off some of my body parts. Oh wait…
There is one baptism only, thus explaining why when Christians from other Churches enter into fellowship with the Catholic Church they are not re-baptised provided their baptism was valid in intent and form. No man has the power to reverse baptism, nor can it ever be undone.
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If there is only one baptism then why are folks getting upset over what the Mormons are doing?

I mean, nobody seems to make a big deal out of the fact that just about everyone in the western world is Jewish.
 
The fact that it is unpopular doesn’t mean it should get such hostilities.

I used to have a really good Mormon friend from Chile. He returned to Santiago many years ago. If he told me he would pray for me or have me baptized upon my death, I would simply respond: “I’ll be praying for you too.”

The point is, these Mormons performing this ceremony, whether you want to call them misguided or reckless or whatever, are not doing any harm to anybody and indeed are doing what they do out of their good will toward humanity at large.

We as Christians believe we have a sacred commission by Jesus to spread the Gospel and have people baptized.

To start having constant threads defaming and attacking Mormons for the practice of proxy baptism, done in good will, and accusing them of “killing holocaust victims twice” (a ludicrous charge, and arguably a diminishing of what the victim went through) is uncharitable, at best.
 
RebeccaJ said:
I have yet to figure out what person in their right mind is going to tell parents how they can raise their own children. I was raised LDS, and received an LDS baptism, because it was the wishes of my parents. I view it as it was, an act out of what my parents believed. Obviously, as an adult I don’t share their beliefs.

I don’t know of anyone who believes the living are the parents of the dead, with some sort of parental rights over them, with the associated decision making on behalf of ancestors, let alone, someone else’s dead.

That being said, I don’t view the Mormon ritual as effective at all, just a waste of time. I see all this media over their necro-baptisms as political because of Romney. If a Mormon wasn’t running for president, few people would care.
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Rebecca,
The point isn’t to do with telling the parents what to do, it is about the parents making a decision for the child. Even an Evangelical Christian will make this argument toward a Roman Catholic. It is good to bring up your child in the faith, but then they’ll argue: shouldn’t it be their decision in the end to join or reject the Catholic Church? By having them baptized, and arguably, by forcing them to have their First Communion and later Confirmation, you are making their decisions for them. You are making them Catholics without their permission, and not just being a guide toward the truth.

When you are baptized, you are on the rolls as a Catholic. There is no difference.
 
Cavaradossi said:
Honestly, I’m at a loss as to why people would care in the first place. If, as the Catholic Church teaches, mormon baptisms have no power, then why do some of the Catholic posters here waste their energy getting upset over such a trivial matter? Life is too short.
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I agree.
However, when you have a bad experience in life toward a certain person, institution, or thing, your resentment because of that experience is what drives you to care, not the actual merit in what is going on.

What I mean is this: if you have had a bad experience with religion, Catholicism for instance, you will find whatever the Catholic Church does as irritating, and debaptism is your way of giving yourself some type of closure.

I think it’s simply proof that your emotions own and rule you, but hey…
 
FabiusMaximus said:
Rebecca,
The point isn’t to do with telling the parents what to do, it is about the parents making a decision for the child. Even an Evangelical Christian will make this argument toward a Roman Catholic. It is good to bring up your child in the faith, but then they’ll argue: shouldn’t it be their decision in the end to join or reject the Catholic Church? By having them baptized, and arguably, by forcing them to have their First Communion and later Confirmation, you are making their decisions for them. You are making them Catholics without their permission, and not just being a guide toward the truth.

When you are baptized, you are on the rolls as a Catholic. There is no difference.
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Parents make decisions for their children, and you are indeed telling Catholic parents how they should raise their own children. Not something I can agree with, for any person of any faith.

There are no Catholic “rolls”, there are Sacramental records.
 
FabiusMaximus said:
I agree.
However, when you have a bad experience in life toward a certain person, institution, or thing, your resentment because of that experience is what drives you to care, not the actual merit in what is going on.

What I mean is this: if you have had a bad experience with religion, Catholicism for instance, you will find whatever the Catholic Church does as irritating, and debaptism is your way of giving yourself some type of closure.

I think it’s simply proof that your emotions own and rule you, but hey…
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I suppose so. I just find the current obsession with (or crusade against, as you put it) mormonism on this board to be bizarre.
 
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