Mormons, please set the record straight

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Mormons, much has been said or argued about your religion. This thread is for correcting the record. What does the LDS church teach today. What are the religious obligations of your faith, what do you want people to know? This is a blank slate to honestly represent the facts. The purpose of this thread is for non-Mormons to understand Mormonism. We have many threads critiquing it and we will have more–but hopefully not this thread. Catholics etc, please keep your comments to sincere information gathering questions. Loaded questions are not for this thread.
 
Question: what can you tell us about the Mormon temple? What is it and what is it used for. A bishop once told me it’s not a secret but it’s Holy so like sex we keep it where it belongs. Can you informatively tell us what it is without intruding on it’s holiness?
 
The best place to learn about Mormonism and what they say they teach/believe is mormon.org. FAIR is an apologetics website written by faithful Mormons who discuss/answer some of the critisicims as well.

A Mormon will tell you that they make covenants with God in the temple required for exaltation. They also perform works for the dead.
 
Truth_Faith13 said:
The best place to learn about Mormonism and what they say they teach/believe is mormon.org. FAIR is an apologetics website written by faithful Mormons who discuss/answer some of the critisicims as well.

A Mormon will tell you that they make covenants with God in the temple required for exaltation. They also perform works for the dead.
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Like baptizing people’s dead relatives w/o permission?

Do they still teach that God had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus or did they drop that nonsense?
 
jediliz said:
Like baptizing people’s dead relatives w/o permission?

Do they still teach that God had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus or did they drop that nonsense?
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?? How is baptizing dead people without choice different than baptizing living people who have no choice. On this forum I have been procatholic as I sincerely am. Rhetorically it would be a small thing for me to wup up on the average catholic I meet on the street and leave them looking defenseless for half understood beliefs. I understand Mormonism seems dumb to an outsider, I am certainly no fan. I started this post because some Catholics were complaining that any thread about Mormonism turns into dogpile on mormons. That is not good apologetics for starters. Look, I think mormons are wrong. I see no reason to prove I am right every where in every way. People will trust the critique of others who listen first.
 
jediliz said:
Like baptizing people’s dead relatives w/o permission?

Do they still teach that God had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus or did they drop that nonsense?
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How can you be proud of being Catholic? Are you suggesting God’s mercy in providing you a means to enter the church is somehow to your credit? God is not bound by your deeds or faith. You being Catholic is only because of God’s mercy without which you would never have born fruits of repentance and acted worthy of faith.

I speak harshly as a fool just to show how easy it is to find fault. But God is able to make you stand. Let him who thinks he stands be humble about it. Now, I would like to know what mormons believe in their own words. I want to know answers to questions the elders seem to be unprepared for.
 
They claim to know the body of the Blessed Virgin Mary and to preach it? Atheists, agnostics and their concepts of improbabilities are no better. That is one thing I cannot stand, when that comes up. They should pray the rosary, meditate harder on the mystery of the annunciation and leave their sick investigation away from her. I hope they come to their senses. Fortunately, our lady is more forgiving than any mortal here (on Earth) at the very least!
 
Here is something I was told by a “former” Mormon: they have a hell of total darkness, unlike the fire and brimstone of many denominations.
 
Mammoths said:
Catholics etc, please keep your comments to sincere information gathering questions. Loaded questions are not for this thread.
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I've been sort of curious about one thing. Suppose a faithful Mormon obtains a temple recommend. He is made a priest, he gets married in the temple, and he does whatever other ceremonies they do. He has now done all the temple stuff. Why should he be concerned about maintaining his temple recommend?
 
Mammoths said:
Mormons, much has been said or argued about your religion. This thread is for correcting the record. What does the LDS church teach today. What are the religious obligations of your faith, what do you want people to know? This is a blank slate to honestly represent the facts. The purpose of this thread is for non-Mormons to understand Mormonism. We have many threads critiquing it and we will have more–but hopefully not this thread. Catholics etc, please keep your comments to sincere information gathering questions. Loaded questions are not for this thread.
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Here are a few things that I think are fundamental to Mormonism.

First, that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. That he lived, died, and was resurrected. That through him we may be saved and gain eternal salvation.

Second, that the Book of Mormon is exactly what it claims to be, namely an ancient record written by a people who lived here on the American continent and that they were visited by Jesus Christ after his ascension in the old world.

Third, that in the modern age the priesthood has been restored to man through the visitation of angels. This includes the priesthood of Aaron, but also the priesthood after the order of the Son (often called the Melchizedek Priesthood in the church).

Fourth, that man is eternal. His life did not begin here on earth. Before this earth life he lived with God. He learned and grew over eons of time. This earth life is just one phase in his development that will continue from eternity to eternity.

Fifth, that the family is eternal. If the Eternal Father were to open the heavens to our view we would see men and women organized in families.
 
Janderich said:
Here are a few things that I think are fundamental to Mormonism.

First, that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. That he lived, died, and was resurrected. That through him we may be saved and gain eternal salvation.

Second, that the Book of Mormon is exactly what it claims to be, namely an ancient record written by a people who lived here on the American continent and that they were visited by Jesus Christ after his ascension in the old world.

Third, that in the modern age the priesthood has been restored to man through the visitation of angels. This includes the priesthood of Aaron, but also the priesthood after the order of the Son (often called the Melchizedek Priesthood in the church).

Fourth, that man is eternal. His life did not begin here on earth. Before this earth life he lived with God. He learned and grew over eons of time. This earth life is just one phase in his development that will continue from eternity to eternity.

Fifth, that the family is eternal. If the Eternal Father were to open the heavens to our view we would see men and women organized in families.
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Hi, thanks for the post.

Is it true that the Book of Mormon actually supersedes the bible?

And in regards to your 4th point, that’s actually a new age type belief. We lived with God in heaven…and we chose to come here on earth. We accepted certain “assignments”. And over time this ‘class room’ known as earth perfects our soul. Hence, where the term “old soul” comes from…Is that similar to the Mormon line of reasoning?
 
Janderich said:
Here are a few things that I think are fundamental to Mormonism.

First, that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. That he lived, died, and was resurrected. That through him we may be saved and gain eternal salvation.

Second, that the Book of Mormon is exactly what it claims to be, namely an ancient record written by a people who lived here on the American continent and that they were visited by Jesus Christ after his ascension in the old world.

Third, that in the modern age the priesthood has been restored to man through the visitation of angels. This includes the priesthood of Aaron, but also the priesthood after the order of the Son (often called the Melchizedek Priesthood in the church).

Fourth, that man is eternal. His life did not begin here on earth. Before this earth life he lived with God. He learned and grew over eons of time. This earth life is just one phase in his development that will continue from eternity to eternity.

Fifth, that the family is eternal. If the Eternal Father were to open the heavens to our view we would see men and women organized in families.
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there were seven brothers. In the course of time the eldest brother took a wife. alas, he died leaving no heir. His younger brother took her as wife and he also died leaving no heir. this continued until at last the youngest brother of the seven had her but also left no heir and slept with his fathers. In the resurrection, Who’s wife will she be?
 
I have nothing to offer except I had a bf who ran away with the Mormons, to USA. So much for love…

:cry:😎
 
Lenten_ashes said:
Hi, thanks for the post.

Is it true that the Book of Mormon actually supersedes the bible?
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No. The Book of Mormon is scripture, like the Bible. Both books contain the word of the Lord. I think this idea may arise because we place an emphasis on the BoM and because we acknowledge that there are translation errors in the Bible. Of course, there are also a few translation errors in the BoM. But we study both. For example in a class we take every Sunday we study one book of scripture a year. So one year we study the Old Testament, the next year the New Testament, the next year the BoM, and finally the D&C and Pearl of Great Price.
And in regards to your 4th point, that’s actually a new age type belief. We lived with God in heaven…and we chose to come here on earth. We accepted certain “assignments”. And over time this ‘class room’ known as earth perfects our soul. Hence, where the term “old soul” comes from…Is that similar to the Mormon line of reasoning?
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I have never heard the new age version of my point four. But if it is as you say I’m glad to see that they have received truth.
 
Mammoths said:
there were seven brothers. In the course of time the eldest brother took a wife. alas, he died leaving no heir. His younger brother took her as wife and he also died leaving no heir. this continued until at last the youngest brother of the seven had her but also left no heir and slept with his fathers. In the resurrection, Who’s wife will she be?
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I had a Mormon friend who explained this to me. There are two different types of marriage. Earthly marriage and Eternal marriage. Earthly marriage ends upon the death of one of the spouses. An Eternal marriage is exactly that…eternal. It seems to somewhat explain the acceptance of plural marriage within the Mormon religion at one time. I think only one spouse could be Eternal, however one could have multiple Earthly marriages. I think only Eternal marriages are performed in the temple. The Earthly marriages are performed in their ‘churches’ (not sure what they call the buildings they congregate in).
 
Mammoths said:
there were seven brothers. In the course of time the eldest brother took a wife. alas, he died leaving no heir. His younger brother took her as wife and he also died leaving no heir. this continued until at last the youngest brother of the seven had her but also left no heir and slept with his fathers. In the resurrection, Who’s wife will she be?
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You do err in that you do not understand the scriptures.
Sorry, could not resist!

Kevin Barney does quite well IMO:
bycommonconsent.com/2011/09/17/matthew-2230/

Charity, TOm
 
jediliz said:
Like baptizing people’s dead relatives w/o permission?

Do they still teach that God had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus or did they drop that nonsense?
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I personally don’t have an issue with them “baptizing” the dead. If they were physically baptising buried remains, then yes but saying a random name in a ritual which involves a random Mormon child doesn’t actually do anything to the dead relative unless you believe in the ritual.

I was never taught that, no.
 
Mammoths said:
?? How is baptizing dead people without choice different than baptizing living people who have no choice.
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Are you comparing Infant Baptism with Baptizing a Corpse?

Baptizing a child, is bringing that child into the forgiveness of Christ. It is a beginning stage of the Christian initiation. Baptism is not for the Body, but the soul. The soul is bound to the body, so long as the body lives. After death of the body, the soul goes to its maker.

Baptizing a Corpse has no effect on the soul. The Soul is not present. 🤷
 
TOmNossor said:
You do err in that you do not understand the scriptures.
Sorry, could not resist!

Kevin Barney does quite well IMO:
bycommonconsent.com/2011/09/17/matthew-2230/

Charity, TOm
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I found this comment funny:
*Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures. It is unclear to what scripture or scriptures Jesus alludes. There is no Old Testament passage to the effect that marriages do not continue in heaven, so that could not be Jesus’ meaning here. He may have been referring to the levirate law itself in Deut. 25, or to a more general passage, whether dealing with marriage (such as Gen. 2:23-24) or eternity (such as Eccl. 3:14).

One possibility is that he was referring to the apocryphal book of Tobit. (In Jesus’s day, many books were regarded as scriptural that would not ultimately be included in the Old Testament canon.)*
😃
 
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