Mormons prefer to prey on which? - Catholics or Protestants?

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Matthew 10:

40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

John 13:

20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Anyone who rejects Joseph Smith rejects Jesus Christ who sent him, and anyone who rejects Jesus rejects the Father Who sent Him.
 
As a Mormon, your tactics is getting old.

It’s not a tactic. I argue for the truth. As I have stated repeatedly, there is only one truth - any truth found outside the truth is there by the Grace of God, and part of the one truth.
Knowingly using quotes from Origen that have been declared heretical, is not proving your assertion that Christianity is apostate. The Catholic church was not/is not all powerful. As evidenced by the existence of the heretical quotes by Origen, you used previously. If the LDS claims are true, there should be some evidence to that fact, yet no LDS I’ve spoken to or corresponded with has ever been able to show me more than the subjective. You believe in the apostasy, the BoM, Joseph Smith etc, because of your subjective experiences. Viewing the evidence through this perspective, you’ve convinced yourself that your sources speak for themselves. But no one without this subjective experience looks at the evidence as you do.

I will continue to pray that all the people trapped in this lie will find Truth.
Michael
 
Matthew 10:

40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

John 13:

20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Anyone who rejects Joseph Smith rejects Jesus Christ who sent him, and anyone who rejects Jesus rejects the Father Who sent Him.
Wow. You know, I learn something new every day on this forum! :eek:
 
I recently read a post from an SDA insisting that the OT law of “eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life” is still valid and the reason the country is going to hell in a handbasket is because we are not following it. Do Mormons believe that too? If so, then there would be no way, as she says, to atone for murder besides giving one’s own life. No good deeds, such as joining a movement advocating the opposite(like resistance) would be adequate, since they do not include the life of the offender.
I believe that I wrote that taking one’s own life would simply be committing another murder.

It may be that capital punishment as the just result of a trial and conviction might help the murderer, but…who knows?

Murder still remains the only sin for which it is impossible to make amends–that seems pretty self evident. Any other ‘sin’ can be repented of, where repentance means understanding the sin, regretting it, making restitution, asking forgiveness, and then not doing it again. With murder, you can understand and regret, certainly. You can vow never to repeat the sin and keep that promise. However—how do you make restitution for deliberately ending a life? From whom do you ask forgiveness? You cannot give the life back. You can’t ask your victim for forgiveness–he’s dead.

Whether you end up being able to participate in the Savior’s greater Atonement is a very different question, it seems to me, but I don’t quite get how doing anything else, no matter how worthy, could possibly atone for murder.
 
I believe that I wrote that taking one’s own life would simply be committing another murder.

It may be that capital punishment as the just result of a trial and conviction might help the murderer, but…who knows?

Murder still remains the only sin for which it is impossible to make amends–that seems pretty self evident. Any other ‘sin’ can be repented of, where repentance means understanding the sin, regretting it, making restitution, asking forgiveness, and then not doing it again. With murder, you can understand and regret, certainly. You can vow never to repeat the sin and keep that promise. However—how do you make restitution for deliberately ending a life? From whom do you ask forgiveness? You cannot give the life back. You can’t ask your victim for forgiveness–he’s dead.

Whether you end up being able to participate in the Savior’s greater Atonement is a very different question, it seems to me, but I don’t quite get how doing anything else, no matter how worthy, could possibly atone for murder.
Jesus’ blood atones for al of our sins. What we can do is participate in making reparation for the temporal consequences of our sins. This means doing deeds that befit repentance. Love covers a multitude of sins, and acts of charity contribute to making reparation for wrongs that have been done.
 
I believe that I wrote that taking one’s own life would simply be committing another murder.

It may be that capital punishment as the just result of a trial and conviction might help the murderer, but…who knows?

Murder still remains the only sin for which it is impossible to make amends–that seems pretty self evident. Any other ‘sin’ can be repented of, where repentance means understanding the sin, regretting it, making restitution, asking forgiveness, and then not doing it again. With murder, you can understand and regret, certainly. You can vow never to repeat the sin and keep that promise. However—how do you make restitution for deliberately ending a life? From whom do you ask forgiveness? You cannot give the life back. You can’t ask your victim for forgiveness–he’s dead.

Whether you end up being able to participate in the Savior’s greater Atonement is a very different question, it seems to me, but I don’t quite get how doing anything else, no matter how worthy, could possibly atone for murder.
How does one make restitution molesting children or raping a person? Even with stealing, one can make restitution for the amount stolen but can one ever restore the trust and security the victim felt before the crime? Stealing, adultery even gossip have an impact on the victim that can not be restored by the person sinning against them.
I don’t agree with your definition of repentance simply because there is always damage that a person can not make restitution for, only God can restore completely.
 
These are just good marketing principles. All good sales representatives use these - especially those on commission!
If you find withholding information when you know that information might make someone not buy your product, acceptable, then you are very “honest” indeed.

When Jesus The Christ told his disciples that they would have life if they eat his body and drink his blood, many of his disciples LEFT Him!

I guess YOU would prefer that Jesus The Christ KEPT those “hard sayings” to HIMSELF so he could keep and get more followers.

John 6:56
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
John 6:57
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
John 6:60
Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This SAYING is HARD; who can ACCEPT it?”
John 6:61
Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, "Does this SHOCK you?
John 6:66
As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and NO LONGER accompanied him.
Answers,
People go to great lengths to provide misinformation, as you demonstrate repeatedly.
That was not a personal attack.
If you don’t think that saying that “I repeatedly go to great lengths to provide misinformation” is a personal attack, then you are naive, or intentionally trying to make me look bad bacause I said you like to stalk Zundrah and may possibly have caused some Catholics to fall away.

I notice that you waited until now to stick up for ParkerD, probably because of the “wolves preying on sheep” statement, ask ParkerD if he was not talking about the Great Apostasy and that the flock was not spared meaning that there was no true Church until the LDS Restoration, guess who those “wolves” are.

You are just mad becaue of my post about you STALKING Zundrah, and about you criticizing Catholics and defending mormons, thats why you are “engaging” the mormons now, because of my post, since you admitted that you “don’t engage the mormons on the forums”.
All that was said is that what you posted was misinformation. What did you expect? I do the same thing when people post anti-Catholic misinformation. It is nothing personal.
Prove that what I posted is misinformation.

Why do you get to DECIDE what is personal and what is not, are you the next best thing since God?
You posted articles with no message. How was anyone to know that was what you wanted? You posted no question, no query, no statement. 🤷
I thought the quotes were self explanatory and people would figure out the connection with the thread title like RC_Matt below with the “milk before meat”, but I guess you could’nt figure it out. Maybe I’ll try to make my posts easier for someone of your level of intelligence to understand.
As far as “preying” is concerned, I think that is a valid comment. Missionaries attempt to sell Mormonism as a Christian faith, which it absolutely is NOT. The “milk before meat” practice, i.e., baptizing converts before they are fully informed of CORE doctrine, results in people being baptized before they are made aware of some of the more peculiar Mormon tenets. This is exactly same tactic employed by Scientology.
That is troll behavior.
I did’nt know you were the MASTER of the internet.
You’ll excuse me if I don’t bow down to your supremacy of the internet.
I find such a position just as offensive as the topic of the thread.
I find you STALKING Zundrah around just so you can be her “holier than thou” corrector OFFENSIVE.

How many other people do you STALK?
If you are so overly sensitive, what are you doing on this thread,
I guess I’m sensitive to “holier than thou” STALKERS and people who may have been responsible for Catholics falling away.

Whether I’m sensitive or not, judge the sin not the sinner.

I ask again (same question but DIFFERENT REASON) are you the next best thing since God that you can decide who is “sensitive” and who is not?
and why are you posting provocative material with no discussion on the content?
As I said, I thought the quotes were self explanatory, RC_Matt figured the connection between the thread title and the “milk before meat”.

You basically asked the same question twice in the same post, a sign of great intellect indeed.
In fact, I think he did the oppposite! I found the reply quite charitable and reasonable.
You have a history of criticizing Christians and defending mormons, that is “shill” behaviour since you declare yourself to be Catholic.
I find this position contentious,
The very nature of DEBATE is CONTENTION.

dictionary.reference.com/browse/contention
con⋅ten⋅tion  [kuhn-ten-shuhn]
Use contention in a Sentence
–noun
  1. a struggling together in opposition; strife.
  2. a striving in rivalry; competition; contest.
  3. strife in debate; dispute; controversy.
  4. a point contended for or affirmed in controversy.
as I have said, the use of the word “lies” does not promote good discussion.
The term used was “misinformation”, which seems less inflammatory.
I guess Jesus The Christ should have used a “less inflammatory” description of the Pharisees when He called them “whitewashed tombs” and "“filled with hypocrisy and evildoing”, he should have said that they were “just misguided” in order to “promote good discussion”. (sarcasm)
 
You posted articles with no message. How was anyone to know that was what you wanted? You posted no question, no query, no statement. 🤷

and why are you posting provocative material with no discussion on the content?

you did not post an invitation of this sort with the material, so how was anyone to know your intentions? I did not.
You basically asked the SAME question THREE times in the SAME POST.

Maybe you are angry or embarrassed about the “STALKING Zundrah” comment or the criticizing Catholics and defending mormons and my wondering how many Catholics have fallen away because of you.

If you’re angry or embarrassed, get over it.
That is troll behavior.

If you are so overly sensitive, what are you doing on this thread,
You think I’m “sensitive” and you still called be a “troll”.

How very charitable of you,

excuse me while I go into the corner and cry. (sarcasm)
 
I agree that it is the responsibility of a person to study their faith.
Are you saying that if they have’nt studied their Faith, and you play a part in their falling away it’s their fault not yours?
The problem with Catholics is that they are baptized as infants, and sometimes are not brought up in the faith.
Are you connecting infant baptism with not being brought up in the Faith?
Are you against infant baptism? Would you rather your Church forget its custom and become more protestant and wait to baptize members until they are older?
I guess I see your point, a person who is weak in their faith may be swayed or damaged by such calumny.
So people can be swayed by calumny but you don’t engage mormons on the forums, I guess you think no mormon is ever dishonest.
Your course of action seems to say Joseph Smith was honest and all mormons are honest and the mormon religion is true.
I have met some Protestants here who know more about Catholicism than the so-called Catholics.
Either they’re Catholic or they’re not, are you saying that “so-called Catholics” are’nt “real” Catholics because they don’t know much about their Faith?
I have become much more sensitive after it was done to me repeatedly.
If your that sensitive, then why do you stay on this forum?
I do the same thing when people post anti-Catholic misinformation.
…I avoid talking to Mormons as much as possible. I don’t receive them at the door, and don’t engage them on the forum.
So you react when you see an anti-Catholic misinformation, unless it is from a mormon.
I got on this thread because I follow Zundrah around the threads because she gets out of hand.
As I said earlier following someone around is “stalking”.
I saw the title, and found it offensive.
How nice, the “Thought Police” have arrived, (everyone don’t post anything offensive they’re watching)!
It just does not seem worth the effort.
Then don’t post.
 
Are you saying that if they have’nt studied their Faith, and you play a part in their falling away it’s their fault not yours?

Are you connecting infant baptism with not being brought up in the Faith?
Are you against infant baptism? Would you rather your Church forget its custom and become more protestant and wait to baptize members until they are older?

So people can be swayed by calumny but you don’t engage mormons on the forums, I guess you think no mormon is ever dishonest.
Your course of action seems to say Joseph Smith was honest and all mormons are honest and the mormon religion is true.

Either they’re Catholic or they’re not, are you saying that “so-called Catholics” are’nt “real” Catholics because they don’t know much about their Faith?

If your that sensitive, then why do you stay on this forum?

So you react when you see an anti-Catholic misinformation, unless it is from a mormon.

As I said earlier following someone around is “stalking”.

How nice, the “Thought Police” have arrived, (everyone don’t post anything offensive they’re watching)!

Then don’t post.
Edit above post:

I you’re only engaging the mormons now because of one of my previous posts.
 
Good evening rinnie! I hope you’ve had a wonderful day. 🙂

You’re welcome and thank you for your kind words.

Thank you for your charity.

Now, to answer the things you’ve brought up in your post…

As I mentioned in my last post, please understand that I don’t disagree with what you are postulating. I agree that a man cannot be self-appointed. That is why I provided the quote from our Article of Faith and also described how Joseph Smith received his calling and authority.

Again, the New Testament apostles, Peter, James, and John, came down from heaven and gave Joseph Smith the priesthood, making him a prophet and an apostle. So, the pattern you described as being necessary is exactly how Joseph Smith was set apart. 🙂

Kind Regards,
Finrock
But see Finrock that is what we call self apointed. I understand JS said that Peter, John, James, etc appointed him. But see Finrock thats how all self-appointed prophets come about. They all say that, mostly though that it came right from God. My point is, and point in being is this, that Jesus Christ gave that job to men. Aposltles to do that. He told them to choose wisely. Now I agree that the calling (desire) is a privite revelation it must be. The anointing cannot be. Otherwise how would we know who to follow. That is why Jesus did it the way he did, so we could not be confused on who has Apostlolic Succession. So back to the point, Who gave JS his authority you SAY it was the Apostles so one could say that its apostolic succession right? But one must say no because he does not have the anointing of the HS that APostolic Succession brings. So again I must ask, are you saying he has apostolic succession anointing of the apostles, without being anointed? Because I am very confused with your answer? Thank you for your honest answer, and hope to hear from you soon.
 
Apostate Christians don’t, but early Christians did.

Apostate Christians don’t, but early Christians did.

Apostate Christians don’t, but early Christians did.

Apostate Christians don’t, but early Christians did.

Apostate Christians don’t, but early Christians did.

Apostate Christians don’t, but early Christians did.

Apostate Christians don’t, but early Christians did.

Etc., etc., etc……
Boy you got my head spinning :ballspin:😃 But I gotta ask, I just can’t let this one go. How in the heck were there eary Christians before the Apostles and Jesus? Just I can not wait to hear!
 
Wow. You know, I learn something new every day on this forum! :eek:
:eek:Guan did I just read what I think I just read. That if I reject JS I reject Jesus Christ:mad:

I would love to see scripture for that. Now let me think, we have the Father, the Son and the H.S. Three persons made up of ONE GOD. Now where is Joseph Smith, Now is he the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit? Because to reject Jesus would have to reject one of the Three persons correct? Which one of the 3 persons do they say he is? When you think you HEARD IT ALL. You HEAR THIS!

This is one of the few times I am Lost for words. I think I better head over to the eye Dr. I have to get my eyes checked. Yeah, gotta be the eyes. No one would write this. Would they?
 
If all of this is true, it should be easy to prove. Show uniquely LDS doctrines in Judaism or early Christianity. I’ve asked you to do it several times, and you haven’t been able to do it, yet. If you can’t prove it, maybe you should stop laying off on the apostate claim… Oh, that’s right, you only resort to that when your backed into a corner. As a Christian, the routine’s getting old. 😦
THis is what is called watching their sails go slack quickly, Why, because there is not any. No historical proof to support their claim. The Book of Mormon itself suffers the same fate.when asked to support their claim. Why easy, NO EVIDENCE. Why Easy DON"T EXIST!

They never have answered the question. nor ever will. because they cannot.

The akward part of the mormon church is total lack of historical and archaelogical evidence to suffprot the book of Mormon.

Example after the battle fought between the Nephites and Lamanites there was no one to clean up the mess. Keep in mind A,D,421 is just yesterday in archaelogical terms. Should be easy to locake evidence of such a battle right? Bible tells us of battles before 421A.D. Problem is there is NO SCIENTIST, MORMON or otherwise who has been able to find anhthing to substantiate that such a battle took place.

Thats just one problem. How about the only Bible JS relied on was the KJV. Oh my another problem though. Scolars now show that the Textus Teceptus contains error which means that this shows up in the Mormon Bible. oops how could someone under divine inspiration not know the errors.
 
Good evening rinnie! I hope you have been doing well. 🙂

Thank you for taking the time to read and respond to my post.
…So back to the point, Who gave JS his authority you SAY it was the Apostles so one could say that its apostolic succession right? But one must say no because he does not have the anointing of the HS that APostolic Succession brings. So again I must ask, are you saying he has apostolic succession anointing of the apostles, without being anointed? Because I am very confused with your answer? Thank you for your honest answer, and hope to hear from you soon.
How do you know that Joseph Smith does not have the anointing of the Holy Spirit? Further, if Joseph Smith was set apart and anointed by the apostles Peter, James, and John, then how would he not have the anointing of the Holy Spirit? It seems you are question begging in your post. Please, consider below:
  1. Peter, James, and John are Apostles who have the authority to anoint and set apart other Apostles.
  2. Peter, James, and John anointed and set apart Joseph Smith as an apostle.
  3. Therefore, Joseph Smith is a legitimate apostle.
As I see it, one can respond to this in one of two ways. 1. Peter, James, and John didn’t set Joseph Smith apart, therefore he isn’t a true apostle. 2. Peter, James, and John did set Joseph Smith apart, therefore he is a true apostle. It doesn’t make sense to say that Peter, James, and John set Joseph Smith apart, but Joseph Smith isn’t an apostle because he doesn’t have the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

So, you may not believe that Peter, James, and John set Joseph Smith apart. That is fine. But, your original argument was that Joseph Smith can’t be an apostle because he wasn’t set apart by the apostles. Well, from the LDS perspective Joseph Smith did get set apart by the proper priesthood authority.

Kind Regards,
Finrock
 
Hello again rinnie! 🙂
THis is what is called watching their sails go slack quickly, Why, because there is not any. No historical proof to support their claim. The Book of Mormon itself suffers the same fate.when asked to support their claim. Why easy, NO EVIDENCE. Why Easy DON"T EXIST!

They never have answered the question. nor ever will. because they cannot.

The akward part of the mormon church is total lack of historical and archaelogical evidence to suffprot the book of Mormon.

Example after the battle fought between the Nephites and Lamanites there was no one to clean up the mess. Keep in mind A,D,421 is just yesterday in archaelogical terms. Should be easy to locake evidence of such a battle right? Bible tells us of battles before 421A.D. Problem is there is NO SCIENTIST, MORMON or otherwise who has been able to find anhthing to substantiate that such a battle took place.

Thats just one problem. How about the only Bible JS relied on was the KJV. Oh my another problem though. Scolars now show that the Textus Teceptus contains error which means that this shows up in the Mormon Bible. oops how could someone under divine inspiration not know the errors.
Actually, I’ve seen several threads come and go where members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have provided historical evidences for the Book of Mormon events. It’s one thing to reject the evidence presented, but it’s another thing to claim that no evidence has been presented because there isn’t any. In fact, there is much evidence for the Book of Mormon. If you are interested in discovering this evidence, I can provide links to get you started.

Kind Regards,
Finrock
 
Good evening rinnie! I hope you have been doing well. 🙂

Thank you for taking the time to read and respond to my post.

How do you know that Joseph Smith does not have the anointing of the Holy Spirit? Further, if Joseph Smith was set apart and anointed by the apostles Peter, James, and John, then how would he not have the anointing of the Holy Spirit? It seems you are question begging in your post. Please, consider below:
  1. Peter, James, and John are Apostles who have the authority to anoint and set apart other Apostles.
  2. Peter, James, and John anointed and set apart Joseph Smith as an apostle.
  3. Therefore, Joseph Smith is a legitimate apostle.
As I see it, one can respond to this in one of two ways. 1. Peter, James, and John didn’t set Joseph Smith apart, therefore he isn’t a true apostle. 2. Peter, James, and John did set Joseph Smith apart, therefore he is a true apostle. It doesn’t make sense to say that Peter, James, and John set Joseph Smith apart, but Joseph Smith isn’t an apostle because he doesn’t have the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

So, you may not believe that Peter, James, and John set Joseph Smith apart. That is fine. But, your original argument was that Joseph Smith can’t be an apostle because he wasn’t set apart by the apostles. Well, from the LDS perspective Joseph Smith did get set apart by the proper priesthood authority.

Kind Regards,
Finrock
But here is the thing. Jesus gave the Apostles the succession in THIS WORLD by the laying of hands. Now if he wanted it to be private revelation why does the bible say to go by apostolic succession by the laying of hands appointed to the successors?😃
 
Hello again rinnie! 🙂

Actually, I’ve seen several threads come and go where members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have provided historical evidences for the Book of Mormon events. It’s one thing to reject the evidence presented, but it’s another thing to claim that no evidence has been presented because there isn’t any. In fact, there is much evidence for the Book of Mormon. If you are interested in discovering this evidence, I can provide links to get you started.

Kind Regards,
Finrock
Hi Love, First understand I love and admire you just disagree. Now no links. I show you my scripture and talk from my heart, now your turn. You show me and tell me the evidence in your words. Thanks.
 
Hello again rinnie! 🙂

Actually, I’ve seen several threads come and go where members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have provided historical evidences for the Book of Mormon events. It’s one thing to reject the evidence presented, but it’s another thing to claim that no evidence has been presented because there isn’t any. In fact, there is much evidence for the Book of Mormon. If you are interested in discovering this evidence, I can provide links to get you started.

Kind Regards,
Finrock
On the contrary, rejecting the evidence as false, because it is false, is saying the claims made by certain LDS on these boards are unproven. The evidence should speak for itself. It shouldn’t say one thing to one group, with one particular bias, and another thing to everyone else who looks at it. The only group who looks at an Aztec, Incan, or Mayan temple and immediately exclaim, “Well, now I’ve seen proof of the Book of Mormon,” are the LDS. This is not proof. LDS see it one way, the rest of the world sees it another.

I mean no disrespect,
Michael
 
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